5/16/14

Morning Report – May 16th – Mets Rotation, Saul Katz, The Gee-deGrom Switch, Klaw on TJS

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        Coming Later Today –

                 10 am - Craig Brown - I May Be Wrong But...

                Noon -  Ernest Dove - Future Bullpen Looking More Like Future Rotation for Mets

                  2 pm - Top 10 LHP In 2014 MLB Draft  - Updated 5-15-14

                 4 pm - Top 10 RHP in 2014 MLB Draft - Updated 5-15-14

                6 pm – Cody Reed, Mac Marshall, Mike Papi, Marcus Wilson, Griffin Helms, Matt Imhof



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Mookie Wilson’s YouTube interview on his new book - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h34c0zndym0




Adam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN  -  RHP Tyler Bashlor, the Mets' 11th-round pick last season out of South Georgia College, underwent Tommy John surgery Tuesday.


White Sox designate Jeff Keppinger for assignment


St. Lucie Mets 3B Robbie Shields was granted his request to be retired.


The placing of Dillon Gee on the disabled list on the same day Jacob deGrom arrived in town may be more that a coincidence; however, the important thing is whether the Mets can weather the loss of a talent like Gee. It’s just a ticky injury and he should be back after tops two lost outings, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the addition of both deGrom and Rafael Montero into the rotation be a tough pill for Zack Wheeler to swallow.

Bartolo Colon’s contract guarantees that he’s not going anywhere before the all-start break, and the way his is pitching this year guarantees he’ll be here next spring also.

Wheeler; however, is having some real control and confidence issues and trip back to Vegas may not the worst thing that could happen to him. deGrom, Colon, Jon Niese, Montero, and Gee may have the talent (yes, raw, but talented) to hold the fort down until Noah Syndergaard is added to the mix in late July.

The sad part is injuries like this can really put the squash on any trade discussions, which I’m sure would have happened during the mid-season trading period. Teams don’t trade for pitchers that just came off the DL. They just don’t.

Pray the injuries stop here. Your only chance for a new outfielder this season may fall on having a healthy Niese.



Just in case there are some of you still out there that don’t understand the significance of Saul Katz to the Wilpons and the Mets, the simplest way to explain this would be to say that he is the straw the stirs the Wilpon drink. Fred Wilpon does nothing… I repeat… does nothing without first discussing it with his brother-in-law. Katz is richer than God, also (like the Wilpons) has no personal debt, and would never insult his ‘family’ by departing. This is all he does now at his age and he will do it until the day he dies, or the day the Wilpons sell the team, which ever day comes first (bet on death). This was a stupid ass made up story written by someone looking for link headlines rather than accuracy.



Has anyone actually done the timeline on when the Mets realized that they had a problem with Dillon Gee’s health and the calling up of Jacob deGrom? Could all of this have been staged backwards, coupled with the Mejia demotion and Montero promotion, to make it look like Alderson first decided to promote the two prospects, get his lackey  manager to poo-poo the whole Super 2 controversy, and then quietly execute the back portion (Gee) of the scenario?



There has been for some reason some negative chatter online about the Mets releasing (DFA’s, whatever) RP Kyle Farnsworth rather than Jose Valverde. The concern seems to be from bloggers that felt that the only reason Farnsworth was picked over Valverde was the fact that the Mets saved $750K by making this decision. I’m a little confused. Was the Mets not supposed to bring money into the equation? And, in the long run, are did either of these guys have any role in the future of this team?

The promotion of LHRP Josh Edgin is just one more step in the process of replacing the ‘old guard’ members of the bullpen with younger, exciting arms. The 27-year old Edgin has been to this dance before and now is part of a pen (Jeurys Famila, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Jenrry Mejia, Scott Rice, Carlos Torres, Jose Valverde) that will probably continue to change once starters like Dillon Gee return, and relievers like Gonzales Germen come off the DL.

My hope is, regardless of current stats, the youth movement continues… the addition of Gee would send deGrom to the pen to join with Germen. At that point, I’d like to see Matsuzaka and Valverde be released.

For whatever reasons, the future has begun and we might as well get this conversion over with before July rolls around and Noah Syndergaard clouds things up again


Klaw on TJS - 

   Keith Law on the TJS epidemic:


As much as I hate using that word - torn ligaments aren't contagious - the prevalence this year should cause some serious reevaluation of development and training methods. I'm hoping it also increases pressure on coaches like Avent at NC State or Graham at Rice, who have a history of overusing arms, or just flat-out getting them hurt, to shape up or get fired. Also, I think the hypothesis that imposing low innings caps on young pitchers will keep them healthy is failing. Pitching that much less isn't working - Bundy, Taillon, and Fernandez were all throttled like that, and all their elbows snapped anyway. Between-starts routines may need to change. Maybe Dr. Andrews is right about youth pitchers throwing too much year-round; I absolutely believe that he's right about youth pitchers throwing too many breaking pitches.

I agree with Law that come college coaches pitch their prospects too long, but what about high school? There’s no way you can get every coach in America to change the way they handle their meal ticket.

And yes, Dr. Andrews is right, there is too much baseball and the ‘travel ball’ system is out of control, but what’s the solution. How would you ever find someone playing for a shit school in a shit conference and justify his off the charts stats? He has to at some point go up against comparable completion.

No, I think the TJS epidemic will continue and the healing process will be reduced to 12 months or less. In addition, these pitchers will then come back with rigid pitch counts that could last as long as the next two years of their career.

10 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

Zach Wheeler should either go to minors or pen. Degrom was very awesome - and Mets need his bat.

Youth movement: get Flores and Lagares in there, almost every day. Both are line drive hitters in a park conducive to it. Heard Keith Hernandez on radio before the game yesterday - he said Lagares is as good in the field as any center fielder HE HAS EVER SEEN. And was at a loss as to why he is not playing. The other 3 OFs are all flawed - he needs to start 80-90% of the games.

Hitting (and lack of hitting) is contagious. Put 8 bats out there every day, and all will respond positively. Put 6 bats out there, and they will all feel the burden and struggle. Especially in the Mausoleum they play half their games in.

Unknown said...

I really hope they start both Lagares and Flores for a good stretch of time. This just ridiculous that they didn't start the last 2 games and Flores none of the subway series games. Collins has to come off his high horse with starting veterans. Let the kids play and bring in Tejada in the 7th when we have a lead.

That Adam Smith said...

It is stunning, absolutely stunning that Juan Lagares is not out in CF just about every night. He's their most valuable outfielder, period. And it's not even close. You want to get EY at the top of the lineup? Fine, but then you're going to need to sit CY or (gasp) your $60mm, .196-hitting RF.

I said it repeatedly during the offseason, and it turns out I was right. I would be much happier right now - and more optimistic about the future of our lineup - if our 2014 every day OF was EY, Lagares, and Marlon Byrd. Everyone trashed the Phils for giving Byrd 2 years, but he's going to out-produce Young this season, and Granderson in both.

Tom Brennan said...

Offensively, Mets in 2014 are 28th in hitting and 17th in runs. 2013, 29th in hitting, 23rd in runs. 2012, 19th in hitting, 25th in runs. 2011 (the great Reyes year) 6th in hitting and 12th in runs. 2010 22nd in hitting and 24th in runs. 2009 a surprising 5th in hitting but 25th in runs. So for the 5th of the past 6 years, excluding the 2011 aberration, this team has averaged around 22nd in offense.

The fences' depth probably knocks them from where they might be, around 15th, to 22nd. That in this offseason should be step # 1 - moving them in 8 feet more should addres that. Not expensive - pay for itself in 1 year's higher attendance. And play better hitters (Lagares, Flores) - avoid defense-but-no-offense players.

Anonymous said...

Morning Mack:

About the pitchers getting hurt! I am starting to belief it has a lot to do with weight work? Back 20-30 years ago,hardly any players worked out. And if there was some players that did,they weren't pitchers! Except Nolan Ryan. I think maybe pitchers should lay of the weight training in season or all together. Interested on your thoughts.
Steve

Mack Ade said...

Luis Guillorme · Top Commenter · IUT Region Capital

About TJS I think parents of young players have a lot of responsability. Most of them don't care how many pitches their children throw in a game, they only want to see their names in the newspaper, baseball websites, perfect game, etc.

Mack Ade said...

Good comments this morning and you are all right about a lot of things.

We've discussed this a number of times... the Mets fought their way back to a .500 position through defense and pitching. It's criminal to lose a 1-0 game at home on a botched double play.

You build your lineup with your strength which means your chess board begins with Lagares in CF. Period.

As for TJS, welcome Luis to the site.

You are correct about parents, but they can't be there all the time. And Steve may be right also. Everyone is going for more bulk in the weight room.

It seems to me that it's going to be a lot easier to figure how what's going wrong here than to get kids to stop doing what causes it.

Ernest Dove said...

P.S. am I the only one who finds it quite comical at this point that the Mets are still 1 division sweep Or 3 outta 4 div series away from remaining fully in the national league east division championship race?
Think about it. They can't hit. Too many outfielders. A .200 hitting ss, catcher and $15mil RF. No designated closer. Wheeler cant throw strikes. Colon throwing too many strikes apparently, Mejia found himself in the bullpen. Wright trying too hard. No legit cleanup hitter. Duda and ey jr keep praying for walks. Harvey has not thrown a pitch. Niese has been injured. Gee is now injured. Tda is injured again. Are lefty specialist rice ccan't help but walk the lefties he is facing. The new/old lefty edgin earned his promotion by being terrible at aaa, but managing about 8 recent, decent outings, and kids meant for 2014 bullpen just made back to back starts at citi field, in the subway series instead.................and this team is STILL a couple winning series away from at least 2nd, if not first place in their division. .......
What the heck.......you gotta believe. .......

Mack Ade said...

Ernest -

This whole game is changing right in front of us.

Batting average, slugging, and just hitting in general is way off.

And the games are being won on the mound and with a glove in your hands.

This all started around 10-12 years ago when sandlot/JV coaches started giving the ball to the most talented 11-year old they had in the lineup and telling them they were now a pitcher.

The kids asked what do they do and they were told to 'throw it hard'.

We're never going to see the kind of hitting we have seen in the past. a .300 batting average is going to be an incredible accomplishment.

What all this means is every game is a matter of inches and every team is moving towards the middle. The entire league seems to have 19-20 losses right now.

Craig Brown said...

Thomas--

I have to disagree with you on moving the fences in....The Mets stregth over the next decade is going to be pitching...why would they move the fences in?

What they should be focusing on is building a lineup that makes our park a strength....Gap hitters and base stealers.....