While a great deal of conversation, barroom drinking and antacid swallowing has already taken place over the man without a position — Brett Baty — not nearly as much focus has been given to his partner in baseball inconsistency — Mark Vientos.
Yes, we’re all aware of the 2024 season during which Mark Vientos seemed to emerge from nowhere to become a middle-of-the-order threat for the Mets. A strong right handed hitter, Vientos finished the year with 413 ABs featuring a .266 average with 27 HRs and 71 RBIs. If you increased those numbers by 20% to be conservative and to reflect a full time role for that season he would have been north of 32 HRs and 85 RBIs. As a regular it would be even higher year end numbers.
Obviously going into the 2025 season the Mets felt they had a lethal middle of the order between Pete Alonso, Brandon Nimmo, Mark Vientos and Juan Soto. And don’t forget Francisco Lindor. Then add in the highly unpredictable Jose Siri and the oft injured Francisco Alvarez and it would appear that the Mets were chock full of home run potential for the yet-to-be-played season at this point last Spring. On the bench you also had some combination of Starling Marte, Jesse Winker and Brett Baty who all could launch a long ball now and then.
Well, as they often say, the best laid plans of mice and men (and Mets fans) oft go awry. Soto, Alonso, Nimmo and Lindor all were quite solid in what they provided at the plate. Injuries derailled Siri, Marte, Winker and Alvarez for long stretches of the year. Vientos seemed to forget the skills he demonstrated in 2024 and that failure emerged into an opportunity for heretofore unproductive Brett Baty. For a matter of numbers, Baty finished the year hitting .254 with 18 HRs and 50 RBIs over 393 ABs. For comparison Vientos hit a modest .233 with 17 HRs and 61 RBIs with about 70 additional ABs.
Somehow people conclude now that Baty is the second coming of Brooks Robinson. Yes, he did show decent glove work both at third base and second base during the season but his offensive explosion (to hear Baty fans tell it) was not really all that much. Vientos was superior in 2024 and even in a bad year in 2025 drove in more runners.
Now we hear Baty is the new right fielder. Or the new first baseman. Or the new DH. No one really knows as you cannot parallel the offensive potential of Bo Bichette with Brett Baty. Then there’s the $20 million per year given to middle infielder Jorge Polanco to take over at first base. Or DH. No one knows who is going to play right field (including David Stearns and Carlos Mendoza).
Surprisingly Vientos played a game at first base and showed better defense there than anyone would have anticipated given his lead glove at third base. Some people think Vientos’ future is at DH, fewer support the notion of him crossing the diamond permanently to replace Pete Alonso in the field. The majority, however, are more inclined to write him off entirely for his inability to hit the baseball.
A reminder — over 1091 ABs during this major league career he’s hit 54 HRs and driven in 157 while hitting just .239. Baty on the back of his major league baseball card has had 937 ABs with 33 HRs, 105 RBIs and a .232 batting average. What is it that I’m not seeing about the Baty fervor? Increase his numbers by 15% to match Vientos’ opportunities and he still falls short.
Now no one is suggesting they are of equal value. Vientos is still a defensive black hole. Baty (out of necessity) is proving his defensive versatility. However, no matter how you slice it Vientos is a more productive hitter. As a DH option they have had worse. Remember Daniel Vogelbach? For now the two extra men on the roster do not have clearly defined roles but it is important to evaluate them fairly.



Mark is 0-10. Time to swing aggressively. The Yanks lead spring teams in HRs, by a wide margin. They are also striking out at a higher rate than the Mets. Yankee hitters must have the “swing your way into form” go-ahead.
ReplyDeleteI’d rather see Mark at 3 for 10 and 2 HRs and 5 Ks, than his current 0-10 with 2 Ks.
Mark hit two balls to the warning track today. That's 0-2 in the scorebook, but 2-2 in the eyes of those looking for him to get more barrels on the ball.
DeleteWhen Carlos Mendoza was asked about what they look for, he mentioned approach and swing quality. Your analysis is along the same lines. Good observation Paul.
DeleteReece-- I really appreciate your posts. They are well written, take a point of view, develop the argument, and invite participation and rational disagreement. I don't have a horse in the Baty/Vientos discussions. If anything, I have, sometimes, seemingly without solid reason to back it up, have had significantly more confidence in Mauricio than both of them. Probably continue to. I do think the argument for Baty is his fit with what the Mets' overall strategy is. He is versatile, an improved fielder, and, at the moment a very credible overall bench piece. I don't think Vientos is as good an overall fit strategically. None of the three have been consistent enough over the past three years to warrant any confidence in any projection that one would make. All we can say is that Baty ended last season playing above average defense at 3rd base and hitting even better than that. So there is a narrative that not implausibly looks at that and sees a potential direction in which he may be headed.
ReplyDeleteI have a thought experiment. If we had a real first baseman we knew could play the position well enough to be helpful to the other infielders on errant throws, and could play instinctively and produce decent numbers at the plate, thus moving Polanco to full time DH with occasional games over the infield as needed, say, 30 overall at the 3 other positions, would we feel that we are in good shape overall on both sides of the ball, from the point of view of maintaining optionality, while being prepared to compete at a high level this year? I think the answer to that is Yes. Do you? I think it is Yes, whether we start the year with Benge or Tauchman in right field.
I personally would be trying to figure out if Baty or Vientos or Mauricio could manage 1B to that level. Mauricio is at the moment having to prepare for SS and that changes things somewhat.
Just to follow up: I think the better strategy is always, if possible, to put people in the best position for them to succeed, and when possible avoid making changes that are designed to solve one problem while weakening you at another position. This is the basic idea of comparative advantage.
ReplyDeleteGiven where I start strategically, I would optimize Polanco which is as infield back up and otherwise full time DH, thus solving two issues and optimizing use of Polanco in areas where he has performed his best.
Then I look to maintain optionality at 1B where I have two likely near ready players who are young and powerful either one or both ready to play at the major league level next year.
I think I'll save the rest for my next post
Nice piece, Reese! Those two former prospects continue to leave the door open for the many younger prospects coming up the line. Benge has made a nice showing in right this spring, and MJ Melendez put a couple balls over the opposite field fence yesterday. I don't see Baty taking right field. First base is wide open right now, but the competition is underwhelming.
ReplyDeleteIncidentally, I have a Vientos post dropping shortly this morning. Vientos needs to earn his way back. Baty needs to earn his keep. Ideally, they both succeed. Time will tell this year for sure. They are both young, strong, cheap so they still have upside potential. That said, thy both have been trying to establish themselves for coming up on 5 years now so 2026 is a make or break season for both.
ReplyDeleteThanks to both Jules and Paul for the praise. Sometimes between capturing small snakes and lizards some good clarity emerges (and yes, there was a very tiny snake inside my house this week. Tropical living has its pros and cons).
ReplyDeleteThe only snake I allow in my house is to snake pipes. If it bites you, bite him back. Show him who’s boss.
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