tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post2041260317125993625..comments2024-03-28T17:57:21.603-04:00Comments on Mack's Mets: Mack’s Hot Stove Thoughts – 12-13-15 – Trading Matt Harvey, Signing Jayson Heyward, Balls In Play, Michael CuddyerMack Adehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09730548449011685243noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-7885170574677783392015-12-13T19:48:56.871-05:002015-12-13T19:48:56.871-05:00Metsiac, it's realistic if you're running ...Metsiac, it's realistic if you're running a team. The FO needs to take into account who it has under contract, what their payroll will look like, what its needs are likely to be, who they stand to lose (in a case like Harvey, even a few years down the line) and what the following year's free agent class is likely to look like. Obviously, the main focus is on the season in front of you - though if you're in a rebuilding phase, a lot less so - but you're not just constructing this year's team. If you're smart, you're constructing an organization with a long term plan.That Adam Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687771146317665283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-33363958040721012212015-12-13T17:57:19.242-05:002015-12-13T17:57:19.242-05:00I believe in planning ahead, Herb, but not that f...I believe in planning ahead, Herb, but not that far. Looking ahead to OD is one thing; planning for July, in case Wright is hurt or Wheeler isn't ready, etc. i far enough for me. But planning trades for Harvey a year from now is like looking ahead to the 2024 elections after the 2nd term of whoever wins in 2016. Not very realistic IMO.Metsiacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-87270737407071244802015-12-13T13:50:14.051-05:002015-12-13T13:50:14.051-05:00Herb, I passed it by. A sign outside said "...Herb, I passed it by. A sign outside said "Herb Was Here.". They ran out of Kilroy signs? LOLTom Brennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032383157195393857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-7271485539563354622015-12-13T13:46:26.980-05:002015-12-13T13:46:26.980-05:00I would look to the Boston Red Sox. I would even d...I would look to the Boston Red Sox. I would even do it this year if Boston iswilling. The cost of pitching is astronomical. Harvey is coming off a tremendous bounce back season. There are two ways the Mets could approach this. In return they should get Bogarts and Betts or or Bogarts plus the number one prospect who is a second baseman with 30 homeruns capability. They paid 32 million dollars to sign this international player and gave him a six year deal for another 32. either deal would be a tremendous return as they are both controllable for years to come.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02861615386117419272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-3120679719852004752015-12-13T12:35:53.790-05:002015-12-13T12:35:53.790-05:00Metsiac-
It never hurts to plan ahead. You can alw...Metsiac-<br />It never hurts to plan ahead. You can always adjust the plan if/when circumstances change.Herb Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382863651240230955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-86409125418177076712015-12-13T12:32:00.579-05:002015-12-13T12:32:00.579-05:00Mack-
Re: Michael Cuddyer. He is an excellent club...Mack-<br />Re: Michael Cuddyer. He is an excellent clubhouse presence, a positive influence on all young players, a knowledgeable baseball mind, and an all around great guy. He'd make a wonderful bench coach. That said, he has indicated that he doesn't see baseball in his immediate future, and seemed to rule out taking a job with the Mets (or any club) at this time. Instead, he says he wants to spend time with his family. Who could argue with that. Perhaps, in a year or two, if they're smart, the Mets will lure him back.<br /><br />Farewell, Micheal. We appreciated your significant contribution to the team, which cannot be measured statistically. You will be missed.Herb Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382863651240230955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-69862690841750299482015-12-13T12:26:11.375-05:002015-12-13T12:26:11.375-05:00Isn't it a bit premature to be talking about N...Isn't it a bit premature to be talking about NEXT Winter before we're even halfway thru this one? Let's see how this season goes first, then assess what's needed.Metsiacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-67480674932000620052015-12-13T12:20:01.087-05:002015-12-13T12:20:01.087-05:00Thomas-
If you are still on CPW, check out my old ...Thomas-<br />If you are still on CPW, check out my old building (The Eldorado) on CPW between 90th and 91st. Was a great place to live. I love the Upper West Side. Are you making the Grand Tour today?Herb Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382863651240230955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-66702124542126677622015-12-13T12:17:25.281-05:002015-12-13T12:17:25.281-05:00I agree that a team doesn't need 5 aces to be ...I agree that a team doesn't need 5 aces to be a winner. I may be in the minority, but I really like Harvey. He has a swagger that translates into self confidence, which almost all pitching coaches agree is essential to continued success. Maybe that swagger is disliked by his teammates, I have no way of knowing that. But my plan, all along, was to hang onto Harvey. If he refuses to sign long term, trade him after 2017, or let him walk after 2018 and gain a 1st round pick.<br /><br />Meanwhile, I'd trade Wheeler either at the July deadline next season (if we find we need a big bat to compete with the Cubbies) or better yet, after 2016. He becomes arb eligible in 2017 and will start costing Harvey money. (although that's not a huge amount in Arb #1) Meanwhile, try to lock up deGrom, Thor and Matz long term, so we have at least 3 aces at the top of the rotation for many years to come. And we'd have the 4 of them for the next 2 or 3 years. If we use the two first round picks we get this year wisely, we might have another ace ready to move into the rotation by that time.Herb Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01382863651240230955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-67773904572169641042015-12-13T11:43:05.216-05:002015-12-13T11:43:05.216-05:00Try and sign as many as you can now to deals. Then...Try and sign as many as you can now to deals. Then starting next year trade Harvey and each year after trade someone else if they didn't sign a contract with us. That way we replenish the system and can be a perpetual winner year in and year out. <br />The Phillies and Braves just did a tremendous job with 2 lesser pitchers than what we have and retooled their teams. You might have to include Familia in that timeline as well if he doesn't sign an extension shortly.<br />That's kind of why I wanted to trade Granderson and Duda this offseason so we can put some more youngsters in our system. <br /><br />So sign Cespedes and Span. This would be the only time we have to sign a top free agent for awhileZozohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04328187548616168708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-39481514493636733722015-12-13T11:15:09.310-05:002015-12-13T11:15:09.310-05:00I'm a huge Harvey fan, but reality (cough*coug...I'm a huge Harvey fan, but reality (cough*cough*Madoff) dictates that you pretty much have to trade the guy next winter. Hopefully, that will still leave you with four healthy top of the rotation type arms going forward. The return - assuming he has a healthy Harvey-type year, should be enormous. Figure one young team controlled potential all-star, a solid secondary big- leaguer and 2-3 prospects, one of which should be top 3 in the system he's coming from. If that happens, and you have some combination of Herrera, Smith, Cecchini, Rosario either ready or almost ready, you've truly re-made your team, and should have the money to sign one impact free agent in either '17 or '18, still with one of the best rotations in baseball. I'll hate to see Harvey go, but I have to believe that this is what Alderson sees on the horizon. I can live with that. Just don't trade him to the Yankees.That Adam Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687771146317665283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-46814375654949833042015-12-13T11:02:45.946-05:002015-12-13T11:02:45.946-05:00Parked on 106 and CPW. I love NYParked on 106 and CPW. I love NYTom Brennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032383157195393857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-1860249115589735052015-12-13T10:41:37.066-05:002015-12-13T10:41:37.066-05:00Last year I coined a "new Stat", The DA...Last year I coined a "new Stat", The DANNY. The Danny is not necessarily an "Error" statistically.... actually, it usually is NOT an error. It's a stupid and harmful play, defensively. For instance..... a 2nd baseman rushes in on a Bunt, beating the Pitcher, Catcher, and 1bman to a bunted ball. He finds nobody to throw to at first--- no error---NO OUT...Simple Play! <br /><br />Beyond Range and Hands and Throws...there's a sepcial category of Bad Defense that applies to a proper execution of a play---whether it's a decision of which base to throw to...or an execution of a shift....or a bad decision on covering a base---maybe you cover when a teamate is already covering---you cause a bad throw by confusing anbother fielder.<br /><br />The Saber Defensive stats are kind of useful...especially if you don't actually watch the game being played. NOTHING replaces understanding the game and watching it being played----only then can you identify the DANNYS...the horrendously bad plays that are not recorded as errors---yet, they often even more directly cause lost outs and runs to opposing offenses.<br /><br />The Mets crappy D has lots to do with range---and also with shoddy defensive decisions and execution---- you need to watch to see that.eraffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06493607580550078769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-58034049868198934172015-12-13T10:09:41.553-05:002015-12-13T10:09:41.553-05:00I agree with Ernest, and have said so many times. ...I agree with Ernest, and have said so many times. The Mets should definitely trade a big arm next winter, most likely Harvey. He could bring back a haul.<br /><br />Looking at the numbers, I don't think the Mets will be able to lock up 3 of these starters. They are going to have to pick two and pick right.<br /><br />Heyward is a perfect fit for the Cubs, who don't need a HR hitter. He's a good glove, OBP guy. A very fine complementary player. I like him, but I don't think he's a star. But money aside, again, absolutely perfect for the Cubs.<br /><br />James PrellerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-34284219332470982112015-12-13T10:06:01.088-05:002015-12-13T10:06:01.088-05:00Let's not forget that the K totals included th...Let's not forget that the K totals included the first half, with no Matz or Thor. It should be even better this year. And the D included Cuddy in LF and Wilmer's 14 Es at SS.<br /><br />As for Cuddy, he said yesterday that he wants to take time off from baseball to spend time with his family. If he wanted to stay with the org, I'd think a MnL mgr job would be a great fit.Metsiacnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-27544066707810392192015-12-13T10:04:40.017-05:002015-12-13T10:04:40.017-05:00Tom -
Parking in Rockerfeller Center? Maybe idli...Tom - <br /><br />Parking in Rockerfeller Center? Maybe idling but not parked.<br /><br />Mack Adehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09730548449011685243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-52645017177314848782015-12-13T09:50:38.050-05:002015-12-13T09:50:38.050-05:00Parked by Christmas tree at Rockefeller Center. LG...Parked by Christmas tree at Rockefeller Center. LGM...sign Cespedes. <br /><br />Tom Brennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032383157195393857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-31636840436160422632015-12-13T09:38:52.758-05:002015-12-13T09:38:52.758-05:00Ernest -
You may be right. A lof of teams are bu...Ernest - <br /><br />You may be right. A lof of teams are built this way.<br /><br />The kind of hitter the Mets need to fill their #4 hitting slot may only be available through a trade with a quality armMack Adehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09730548449011685243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-31356857049659178852015-12-13T08:41:40.762-05:002015-12-13T08:41:40.762-05:00Im sticking to same theory I've had since last...Im sticking to same theory I've had since last year..............<br />Teams simply DONT NEED 5 stud arms in their rotation to win a title. They really don't even need 4.<br />If the Mets starters weren't all on innings limit they wouldn't have pitched Matz IMO.<br />Heck the Mets, due to lack of OFFENSE took 5 games to beat a two pitcher rotation of the Dodgers.<br /><br />Im not saying definitely trade one while they're all under team control, and I also understand it helps tremendously to have all 5 arms in the long 162 game regular season, but again im saying they're not all needed in October......<br /><br />Id rather have 3 all star arms and two additional all star hitters on the 25 man.Ernest Dovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12054861033443392454noreply@blogger.com