tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post2452610665833791666..comments2024-03-27T18:52:30.854-04:00Comments on Mack's Mets: The Morning Report – November 17 – Cubs Position Players, Castro/Wheeler Trade, Niese-Mejia/Ramirez Trade, LJ MazzilliMack Adehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09730548449011685243noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-32207442220792053282014-11-18T09:17:08.159-05:002014-11-18T09:17:08.159-05:00Good points on Gee, Niese and Murphy, Kevin. I th...Good points on Gee, Niese and Murphy, Kevin. I think Craig would be worth a flyer for Gee. Maybe he reverts to his pre-2014 form.Tom Brennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032383157195393857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-2073074363011715732014-11-18T08:40:07.604-05:002014-11-18T08:40:07.604-05:00Gee for Allen Craig. Niese stays put.
I don't...Gee for Allen Craig. Niese stays put.<br /><br />I don't care what I'm hearing about Murphy having no value. He isn't going to bring you back the shortstop of the future but he'd bring you back something useful.<br /><br />A consistent hitting machine, who will play anywhere on the diamond, or OF, you ask him to, is valuable. He can really be used as a 2B or 3B. Toronto may be looking to add a lefty bat since they are a little right heavy after trading Lind.<br /><br />You should probably be able to trade him for a lefty reliever or a high upside pitcher in A ball.<br /><br />With offense down across baseball, if you can hit, you'll have a job.<br /><br />A team like the Braves with a solid defensive shortstop seem like the kind of team that could afford his glove at 2BKevin Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-69578403440912981802014-11-18T08:25:04.199-05:002014-11-18T08:25:04.199-05:00@ eraff
If you do trade for Castro by giving up T...@ eraff<br /><br />If you do trade for Castro by giving up Thor, and move Flores to 2B, to save Murphy $$ and until Herrera is more ready to take over 2B, what do you propose to get for Murphy in a trade? <br /><br />What would you like to see done then with Niese and Gee?Tom Brennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032383157195393857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-61034422320256889662014-11-17T22:12:05.989-05:002014-11-17T22:12:05.989-05:00The C-2b-SS is a rotten core for those of us who l...The C-2b-SS is a rotten core for those of us who like our team built through the middle of the diamond. <br /><br />A Castro Trade has been pegged in value by the Hyyward-Shelby Miller Deal---- that equals a guy like Wheeler. BTW---I'll believe that they trade a 25 YO Allstar SS when they actually do it....and they're not doing for the HOMER Trade suggestions of Niese and Gee.eraffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06493607580550078769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-41712040430854623472014-11-17T21:26:42.963-05:002014-11-17T21:26:42.963-05:00I agree TP. If you are going to run out a bunch of...I agree TP. If you are going to run out a bunch of young pitchers (even if they are heavy K guys), you gotta support them with at least average defense. I could take a mulligan at 2b or SS, but not both. Let's hope Terry can manage some strategic late inning substitutions and field the best defensive team when GB guys like Thor & Wheeler are starting. <br /><br />I think you are a bit pessimistic on D'arnaud though. I think he mostly makes up his passed ball tendencies with superior pitch framing. This should also improve over time. Hopefully the offseason surgery and some additional work will improve his throwing. He wasn't always this bad.S. Finchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-60296591989330959202014-11-17T18:17:10.958-05:002014-11-17T18:17:10.958-05:00Folks,
Great column and comments. I'm a little...Folks,<br />Great column and comments. I'm a little late to the dance here, but I will give my 2 pennies nonetheless -<br /><br />The Mets need to upgrade SS and add a quality lefty to the pen. I am not against Wilmer, nor am I against Murphy, but I think the Mets can only deal with one of them, and if I had to guess I would be Alderson prefers Wilmer at 2B. <br /><br />The Mets are set to go with very good pitching, and can have both an above average rotation and pen. But, right now, the defense may be more of a burden than the lack of offense. Yes they have a plus plus CF, but go around the horn - <br />1B - slightly negative<br />2B - significantly negative<br />SS - (Wilmer) solid negative<br />3B - push to maybe slightly positive<br />C - worst in baseball<br />LF - slightly negative (Grandy)<br />CF - best in baseball<br />RF - solid negative<br /><br />They have to hope TDA will improve, but the only other places they can upgrade are at SS and 2B. I think Wilmer is an upgrade to Murph at 2B, so SS is the focus. They need a plus glove there.TPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09371738018453201276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-79123514141033724442014-11-17T16:48:57.989-05:002014-11-17T16:48:57.989-05:00I really don't think it is to off. They are lo...I really don't think it is to off. They are looking for veteran leadership (since they didn't get Russell martin) like grandersen, and looking to shed Edwin Jacksons contract. I would throw in Niese instead an/or with Gee and that would be enough. You are shoring up there whole pitching staff, all they would then need is john Lester. <br />So Niese, Granderson, mejia, Synndergarrd and lets throw in Gee for Soler, Addison and Jackson. <br />They will then have 3/5ths of a rotation a viable closer and in that park a 30-35 homer threat. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01417539106053626522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-20081309600813593872014-11-17T15:55:40.466-05:002014-11-17T15:55:40.466-05:00@Rhodes..If Flores can play a solid defense, I agr...@Rhodes..If Flores can play a solid defense, I agree Flores + Wheeler is better than Castro. If Flores comes undone at SS and it ends up being Tejada again....well.... I am hopeful Flores can play a decent major league SS, but i think that's far from determined. <br /><br />This is where not playing him for the entire 2014 just makes me crazy. We could be going into this offseason knowing if Flores is the answer (at least short-term). <br /><br />I think it's a mistake to dismiss wheeler or thor for castro completely. Castro is proven, young, and a solid SS. We hope Wheeler continues to improve, we hope thor is the real deal, and we hope Flores is a major league SS. Really, it's a gamble either way. S Finchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-53032837817879033122014-11-17T15:23:25.692-05:002014-11-17T15:23:25.692-05:00No way Sandy trades Wheeler for Castro
Simply put...No way Sandy trades Wheeler for Castro<br /><br />Simply put: <br /><br />Wheeler + Flores > Castro<br /><br />Castro is not enough better than Flores to cover the gap between Wheeler and whoever replaces him. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05107443295708283998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-53399118830388337132014-11-17T13:14:12.584-05:002014-11-17T13:14:12.584-05:00OK, since we're on the precipice dangling Gran...OK, since we're on the precipice dangling Granderson...<br /><br />How about Granderson & Flores/Murphy for Jose Reyes (If it's Murph, I'd like a prospect too. eg.e 20 yr o;d LHP Jairo Labourt)<br /><br />OF: Cuddyer-Legares-den Dekker (Kirk & Puello)Hobiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12583242267777911354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-79306433238238696882014-11-17T13:09:56.076-05:002014-11-17T13:09:56.076-05:00@Soto.. I think what you say is fair. Granderson i...@Soto.. I think what you say is fair. Granderson is probably worth his contract, but little more. Take into account age, salary, and production, i think few teams have any interest. However, i am more than fine trotting him out as a Met for 2015. <br /><br />To add to this conversation, I really like Flores and wouldn't be opposed to him playing SS, but i cringe thinking about him and Murphy for an entire year. I think one or the other has to go. We are too pitching dependent to have below average defense at RF, 2b, & SS. Having your 3b and CF as the only solid defensive players is kind of scary. s. Finchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-13279442796786120102014-11-17T12:52:10.890-05:002014-11-17T12:52:10.890-05:00@S. Finch
100% agreed.
Soler is a Top 50 MLB pro...@S. Finch<br /><br />100% agreed.<br /><br />Soler is a Top 50 MLB prospect...quite frankly Syndergaard for Soler + a low level wild card would be fair value.<br /><br />I wouldn't say that Granderson has negative value. The guy did hit 20 HRs, which is Top 50 in baseball, and was healthy for all 162 games which is an accomplishment in itself.<br /><br />If you take out his atrocious April, Grandy was actually pretty good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-53314762241063034922014-11-17T12:41:59.219-05:002014-11-17T12:41:59.219-05:00The madness! First, Meijia and Gee for Soler isn&#...The madness! First, Meijia and Gee for Soler isn't even close. Gee has no value. He might be able to return a decent bullpen piece. In four years he has gotten close to 200 innings once, and has not cracked 1.3 WAR in a single season. Simply put, he has been half-way decent for two seasons and awful for two. Soler is projected to be Puig. <br /><br />Granderson arguably has negative value and would be a contract dump at this point. The cubs are looking to get young, not trade their up and coming superstar for a 34 y/o who is coming off his two worst seasons ever, and is also owed 45 mil. <br /><br />Russel for Thor I believe is close, but still Cubs would be getting lower value. Position prospects are simply more valuable than pitching at this point in time. <br /><br />Lastly, this blog in general tends to severely undervalue Castro. I don't know that i would trade for him, but he is far better than an average SS. Take in to account he is 25, likely to improve, and under a long-term, team-friendly contract and he has lots of value. Top 5 offensive SS in the league and slightly below average defensively. <br />S. Finchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-41393431758963320942014-11-17T12:00:52.769-05:002014-11-17T12:00:52.769-05:00Russel for Thor is even.
Mejia and gee for Soler i...Russel for Thor is even.<br />Mejia and gee for Soler is pretty fair, but when you get them to get rid of their enigma in Jackson and throw in a home town guy in grandersen. I believe it becomes a pretty even deal. Grandy would have a monster year in that ball park and provide their plethora of youngsters the veteran leadership (to go with their future Russell martin signing) they need. I would even substitute Niese for gee if that makes a difference.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01417539106053626522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-24150973697759727072014-11-17T11:51:38.637-05:002014-11-17T11:51:38.637-05:00Theo may overplay his hand with his MI and his sta...Theo may overplay his hand with his MI and his statement last week that they are not in on the big pitchers for big contracts only diminish his leverage. Interesting statement from his saying that 2015 is not the year they are looking to push, but rather 2016. I think the Mets will be better than the Cubs next year and could compete for WC, but truth is that 2016 is when the window really starts to open for the Mets. I am equally hesitant to put the chip on Flores, but I think it is best to go short term on the position rather than overpay. One more year opens up a whole set of options for that position, such as Reynolds and other Farm player improving their trade value. If no one is willing to pay Theo a frontline starter for a MI, he will start running into a surplus that really has to be moved. I hope that Flores can be serviceable defensively and start to reach his offensive potential; I agree with the above that if Flores gets 600 ABs, he will come close to matching Castro's offensive numbers and the difference wont be a frontline starter<br />Anon Joe FAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-42471618039168582032014-11-17T11:42:41.657-05:002014-11-17T11:42:41.657-05:00@Zozo
Oh i think Soler is going to have a monster...@Zozo<br /><br />Oh i think Soler is going to have a monster season....but the Cubs are not going to have any desire to trade him.<br /><br />The only way they would part with both Russell and Soler is to get Harvey in return.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-59966336633745615992014-11-17T11:24:08.160-05:002014-11-17T11:24:08.160-05:00Soto
I think Soler can have a good a season as gra...Soto<br />I think Soler can have a good a season as grandy would have in Citifield next year, we get younger and save $$$ at the same time. I just checked out his minor league numbers and they where very good.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01417539106053626522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-14928232507787153942014-11-17T10:19:28.559-05:002014-11-17T10:19:28.559-05:00@Zozo
No thanks....Honestly...While I have no sta...@Zozo<br /><br />No thanks....Honestly...While I have no statistical information to back it....I have a gut Granderson will bounce back quite well in 2015.<br /><br />.247 AVG<br />24 HR<br />81 RBI<br />12 SBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-39783344870420561432014-11-17T10:16:56.398-05:002014-11-17T10:16:56.398-05:00I prefer a bigger deal with cubbies, I would trade...I prefer a bigger deal with cubbies, I would trade Granderson, Synndergarrd, Gee and Mejia for russel, Soler and Edwin Jackson. We swap 2 contracts that both teams would love to get rid of and Grandy is from chicago. I believe Jackson will pitch better in a bigger park and he always had the potential to be dominating. We will also save some money because Grandy is owed more. What do u guys think? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01417539106053626522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-1274167118117829452014-11-17T10:12:47.519-05:002014-11-17T10:12:47.519-05:00To answer this, you need to look at it from a logi...To answer this, you need to look at it from a logical perspective.<br /><br />1. How much better will say Castro numbers be vs Flores.<br />Is it feasible that Flores can give you 10/15 hrs and at least 65 rbi's while batting at least 270? I say yes.<br /><br />2. If you had a choice, would you take Wheeler (a potential ace) or Castro who I consider average to slightly above average shortstop.<br />Or more to the point, would you rather have an ace in the making or 15 hrs and 65 rbi bat?<br /><br />3. Finally, what is more appealing to you. Castro in the lineup or Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, Matz, Syndergaard for the next 4 or 5 years?<br /><br />I made my choice and for marginal improvement with the glove over Flores, I rather keep the potential of an elite rotation that has not been seem in a long time. The Mets would be throwing an ace or a #2 type pitcher every single day.<br /><br />That boys and girls is also special and very valuable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-52810554482075508232014-11-17T09:52:28.423-05:002014-11-17T09:52:28.423-05:00I really dont think the Mets and Cubs will make a ...I really dont think the Mets and Cubs will make a deal. In my opinion the Cubs are overvalueing their infielders while the Mets may overvalueing Gee, Montero. <br />But has anyone ever thought about the Rangers!? Thy have IF sureplus too and luckily need some pitching help.<br />They cant trade Andrus and his monster contract and Odor has had a really nice year ( hes 20 or so) . With Luis Sardinas waiting in the wings maybe just maybe is there a deal for Jrricksin Profar possible!?!?Michi L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14542317864104536527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-34256902783643422692014-11-17T09:32:51.905-05:002014-11-17T09:32:51.905-05:00Chris - Niese and Mejia for Castro works for me.Chris - Niese and Mejia for Castro works for me.Tom Brennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032383157195393857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-72052403153817870262014-11-17T09:31:58.057-05:002014-11-17T09:31:58.057-05:00O ye of little faith in Wilmer Flores. The dude c...O ye of little faith in Wilmer Flores. The dude crushed the rock in AAA (you can look it up), adjusted to major league pitching, and showed signs he may be one of the lowest strikeout pitchers in the game (you can look that up too).<br /><br />I am not a Wilmer naysayer. I am confident he will hit. He works very hard on D and has enough big league time in to be reliable and adequate. And Reynolds is coming fast and likely could step in early in the season in a pinch and do well. Tom Brennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032383157195393857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-11584742039142008582014-11-17T09:31:40.957-05:002014-11-17T09:31:40.957-05:00No to dealing Wheeler or deGrom.No to dealing Wheeler or deGrom.Michael S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10592189867244144200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-19649368815979227812014-11-17T08:36:18.504-05:002014-11-17T08:36:18.504-05:00Let me ask. If we don't make a move and Flores...Let me ask. If we don't make a move and Flores is the SS come Opening Day. What happens when he hits .200 with 5 errors in the first month?<br /><br />What is our alternative? Tejada? Reynolds?<br /><br />We can't count so much on these young guys to produce (it bit Boston in the ass this year). If Lagares regresses, we have MDD. If d'Arnaud regresses, we have Plawecki. But what if Wilmer opens the year like Granderson or d'Arnaud did this year? You need another option and it can't be Tejada.<br /><br />If I can't clearly upgrade SS over Wilmer, I'm signing Stephen Drew on a 1-year deal for Tejada $ to be my backup. I blame his poor season on waiting so long to sign more than anything. You can't tell me that didn't effect him.<br />Kevin Snoreply@blogger.com