tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post6107250280315260720..comments2024-03-28T17:57:21.603-04:00Comments on Mack's Mets: The Morning Report – December 19 – Chris Flexen, Ryan Bolden, LAD Monopoly Money, SD-Nats-TB Trade, Nats DraftingMack Adehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09730548449011685243noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-50792050265448118012014-12-20T01:18:32.611-05:002014-12-20T01:18:32.611-05:00Bob,
Thank you, and I wish you also Happy Holiday...Bob,<br /><br />Thank you, and I wish you also Happy Holidays, but especially a Happy Festivus (if you don't remember it, it's got a page on Wikipedia)!<br /><br />I hope I didn't go overboard on the comments. I just hate to see a fellow Mets fan so down in the dumps over the team when we're heading for the good times. We've made the turn! Enjoy yourself over the holiday season, and remember, the day after New Year's there's only about 6 weeks to Spring Training!<br /><br />SteveSteve from Norfolkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13317923693948342010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-28846584593153322062014-12-19T22:03:04.956-05:002014-12-19T22:03:04.956-05:00S Finch & All
Thank you as well.
Happy Holid...S Finch & All<br /><br />Thank you as well.<br /><br />Happy Holiday Thoughts to you and your loved onesbgreg98180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641039400307113366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-77388368326323201322014-12-19T20:57:41.392-05:002014-12-19T20:57:41.392-05:00Steve From Norfork -
Steve, email me at: macksm...Steve From Norfork - <br /><br />Steve, email me at: macksmets@gmail.com<br /><br />I want to ask you a question.Mack Adehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09730548449011685243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-80870832427403253822014-12-19T20:26:45.713-05:002014-12-19T20:26:45.713-05:00Steve from Norfolk said...
bob, I live in Norfolk...<br /><br />Steve from Norfolk said... <br />bob, I live in Norfolk, VA, as you've probably discerned from my handle and my posts. I invest in the Mets by whatever their cut of mlb.tv is and buying a couple of t-shirts and hats (although I'll never replace the hat and Alfonso and Franco t-shirts I bought at the Grand Slam Single game - I was lucky enough to buy Ricky Henderson's seats from a guy that worked for the team - 12th row, well behind the foul ball screen. <br /><br />Sorry, got lost in history.<br /><br />I also invest a Lot of time in the Mets - I watch EVERY game, stinker or runaway win or walk-off HR. Why - because I love them. They've my team since 1968 when they first move their AAA team here and built a ballpark less than a mile from my house, close enough to walk or ride my bike.I was 13 then, now I'm 59.<br /><br />I love these guys. Always have, always will. Alderson has built us a great farm system, that spits out star pitchers like an assembly line. We're catching up on hitters, too We have one real hole. We'll fill it (Santa, please give us Ian Desmond for Christmas!) We're doing what we can with indifferent owners.We actually have a good chance of making the playoffs. I'll bet you twenty bucks and drop my pants right here in public, on Mack's Mets. Come back, Bob. Come back, to Flushing. There are people there that love you. At least 25 of them. Look at them - greeting you with open gloves and a barrage of foul balls just for you to catch! It's beautiful here at Citi Field. come back to us, Bob. You know you want to. <br /> December 19, 2014 at 8:20 PM Steve from Norfolkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13317923693948342010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-4070076780724971872014-12-19T20:16:40.496-05:002014-12-19T20:16:40.496-05:00Anyway thanks for the debate today, Bob. Even thou...Anyway thanks for the debate today, Bob. Even though we obviously disagree, your comments made me rethink some of my own preconceptions. S Finchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-51644939425773438382014-12-19T19:53:06.987-05:002014-12-19T19:53:06.987-05:00Deadspin lists the 16th top team 2014 payroll at M...Deadspin lists the 16th top team 2014 payroll at Milwaukee with $103,844,806.<br /><br />The 17th (which the 2015 Mets would have surpassed) was Colorado at $95,832,071.<br />Mack Adehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09730548449011685243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-13455184942254468602014-12-19T19:49:39.822-05:002014-12-19T19:49:39.822-05:00Sorry - meant between 9 and 10Sorry - meant between 9 and 10Steve from Norfolkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13317923693948342010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-43383797777442677392014-12-19T19:47:54.724-05:002014-12-19T19:47:54.724-05:00bob,
Know what I got from your list? Count the num...bob,<br />Know what I got from your list? Count the number of WS winners above 10th place in spending and below or equal.<br /><br />Answer - The median is between 8 and 10. If you discount the bottom 10 teams Mack says are rebuilding,the WS Champ distribution is weighted towards the range between 10 and 13, or the bottom 4 of your sample<br /><br />Moral of this story is you can make math say anything you want. In this case,it seems to say that a team between 10th and 13th in payroll has a 50% chance of being the WS Champ. We're almost there!<br />Steve from Norfolkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13317923693948342010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-65293636547949487442014-12-19T18:03:59.141-05:002014-12-19T18:03:59.141-05:00Starving -
First of all, I invest nothing in thi...Starving - <br /><br />First of all, I invest nothing in this team. I write about it and was a reporter paid by a newspaper.<br /><br />My suggestion to Bob was the logical one.<br /><br />Secondly, stop taking all this that serious.<br /><br />Lastly, one move... not that simple... takes two to tango... Mack Adehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09730548449011685243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-21467704305281824322014-12-19T17:55:34.805-05:002014-12-19T17:55:34.805-05:00Starvinghystericalnaked....
wow quite the handle a...Starvinghystericalnaked....<br />wow quite the handle alias there.<br /><br />you know all that you are doing there is trying to nit pick at each of those points.<br /><br />yes my money and time has decreased dramatically over the past few years.<br /><br />Do you pay money or time to watch movies that are not entertaining?<br /><br />If the same actor/director/movie studio creates a more entertaining movie do you refuse to watch it/enjoy it?<br /><br />is that hypocritical?<br /><br />There is no one player acquisition that would automatically change my spending.<br />Just as it took a while to loose fan interest because of year after year of losing/questionable leadership/say one thing but do another<br />it would take time to earn my commitment backBob Gregoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14338006282359557004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-40064340322359407512014-12-19T17:40:36.568-05:002014-12-19T17:40:36.568-05:0090 win team. I'm gonna go more. I'm gonna ...90 win team. I'm gonna go more. I'm gonna watch more.<br /><br /> The day Reese goes, though, Collins will put Tejada in the lineup.Tom Brennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032383157195393857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-21796969203237980062014-12-19T16:15:48.823-05:002014-12-19T16:15:48.823-05:00This is for Bob Gregory (and anyone else who feels...This is for Bob Gregory (and anyone else who feels like responding):<br /><br />From Mack: "You have one choice as a Mets fan here... don't spend any money on them until you are happy with the product they produce for you." <br /><br />And from Bob: "unfortunately that is exactly what I have done.." <br /><br />1st question: Did you used to spend money on the Mets? If so, when did you stop? <br /><br />2nd question: What constitutes spending money on a team? Isn't it just ticket sales & apparel? I don't live near Queens & I own 0.00 baseball jerseys but I still consider myself just as big a Mets fan as any. I invest time? I watch the games on SNY. Who knows … maybe I would be more of a cynic (or realist or whatever) like you if I had actual money invested? <br /><br />3rd question: So do you now invest neither time nor money? I assume you invest time … commenting on this site has to be considered such? <br /><br />4th question: When do you go back to investing your money then? Let's say the Mets leave the roster exactly as constituted now, then they win their 90 games. I.e.: they win but don't use your free-spending superstar-acquiring strategy to do so. What happens then? Do you go back to spending your money? If so, wouldn't that be a tad hypocritical? <br /><br />5th question: I know you're talking about an overall problem rather than just 1 move or lack of 1 move … but play GM for a second … what's the 1 move right now you want them to make? (Please don't say Tulowitzki. You can if you want, but just please don't.) So then they get that player, will you spend money then? But say they get him, he bombs, Jason Bay level of bombing, do you continue to spend that money? If not, that seems hypocritical too? <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />StarvingHystericalNakednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-80618924528225155792014-12-19T14:54:09.936-05:002014-12-19T14:54:09.936-05:00The Mets chances on all of your questions: low, ju...The Mets chances on all of your questions: low, just like every other team in baseball minus maybe the Giants. Though, not because of payroll. <br /><br />They will have a decent shot at the playoffs and that's all any fan of any team can hope for. <br /><br />Clearly, the stinking and lack of WS championships under Alderson can be attributed to not having a top ten catcher ;)Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-27213182202098888542014-12-19T14:41:59.109-05:002014-12-19T14:41:59.109-05:00Finch
I really don't know what else to say or...Finch<br /><br />I really don't know what else to say or how to reason this out with you.<br /><br />Sure wealthy people can come from humble and poor beginnings...<br />but .... it sure increases the odds to start out with more money.<br /><br />facts are facts.<br />The Mets have out right stunk to high Heaven and back again under Alderson's stewardship.<br /><br />Care to make a bet right now as to the Mets winning the World Series?<br />How about even making it to the World Series?<br />How about even to the National League Championship Series?<br />bgreg98180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641039400307113366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-79535473946088635812014-12-19T14:11:33.621-05:002014-12-19T14:11:33.621-05:00Apparently math isn't working so i will conclu...Apparently math isn't working so i will conclude with this: <br /><br />Over the last 8 years, all WS winners except 1 had a top ten catcher. By your logic, I could argue that has been the Mets' missing piece...<br /><br />The goal is to get to the playoffs and hope to get hot/lucky once there... To make the playoffs, you must win games. There are a lot of ways to win games-payroll being one (declining in importance) of many components.S Finchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-44312574839057514052014-12-19T13:37:11.776-05:002014-12-19T13:37:11.776-05:00Mike Francesa says we should get Jose Reyes. I fee...Mike Francesa says we should get Jose Reyes. I feel like this guy's really smart and knows his sports and we should listen to him. LastExitToBrooklynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-31327629607022672842014-12-19T13:32:15.981-05:002014-12-19T13:32:15.981-05:00another point of interest...
You would have to go...another point of interest...<br /><br />You would have to go all the way back to 2006 to find a World Series Champion that had a payroll under $97 million.bgreg98180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641039400307113366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-9289402729446144172014-12-19T13:18:40.296-05:002014-12-19T13:18:40.296-05:00Finch...
Arbitrary???
That is not even close to t...Finch...<br /><br />Arbitrary???<br />That is not even close to true.<br /><br />The objective of any MLB team is to be the champions. If not in the current year...then in the near future.<br /><br />There is nothing Less arbitrary than to use:<br />1) the World Series Champions<br />2) a time frame such as 15 years as a modern era<br /><br />What is the sense of playing any game over and over again if you are automatically assured that you will not win?<br /><br />The focus is NOT... spend X amount and that will = Y place in the standings.<br /><br />The focus here is to be the Champions. Plain and simple.<br /><br />you don't like that I arbitrarily chose the 12th ranking?<br />ok... well here you go....<br />2014: San Francisco Giants, 7th<br />2013: Boston Red Sox, 4th<br />2012: San Francisco Giants, 8th<br />20111: St. Louis Cardinals, 11th<br />2010: San Francisco Giants, 10th<br />2009: New York Yankees, 1st<br />2008: Philadelphia Phillies, 12th<br />2007: Boston Red Sox, 2nd<br />2006: St. Louis Cardinals, 11th<br />2005: Chicago White Sox, 13th<br />2004: Boston Red Sox, 2nd<br />2003: Florida Marlins, 25th<br />2002: Anaheim Angels, 15th<br />2001: Arizona Diamondbacks, 8th<br /><br />What would you like as the cut off? <br />No matter what ranking you would like to use as your point of reference, it favors the top portion of payroll spending teams as becoming CHAMPIONS.bgreg98180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641039400307113366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-44126645378846643282014-12-19T13:02:27.158-05:002014-12-19T13:02:27.158-05:00Bob-
First you are picking a totally arbitrary nu...Bob-<br /><br />First you are picking a totally arbitrary number to try and prove your point. If payroll is so important, shouldn't one of the top 5 in payroll win each year? <br /><br />Second, i think you are misunderstanding my point. While wins and payroll DO have some relationship (it follows wins=greater chance at championship), the relationship is weak. Like really weak-Like the alphabetical order of team names explained the number of wins better than team payroll.<br /><br />Expanding even further, over the last 25 years, about 17 percent of variation in winning percentage is explained by payroll...and this relationship has been declining over the past 5-10 years.<br /><br />It's unlikely you will win with the lowest payroll, but the Mets right now are at around 16th. Another Michael Cuddyer signing behind your arbitrary top 12 number. S Finchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-52657118222846560782014-12-19T12:53:53.458-05:002014-12-19T12:53:53.458-05:00Bob-
First you are picking a totally arbitrary nu...Bob-<br /><br />First you are picking a totally arbitrary number to try and prove your point. If payroll is so important, shouldn't one of the top 5 in payroll win each year? <br /><br />Second, i think you are totally misunderstanding my point. While wins and payroll DO have some relationship (it follows wins=greater chance at championship), the relationship is weak. <br /><br />To make it easier, over the last 25 years, about 17 percent of variation in winning percentage is explained by payroll...<br /><br />It's unlikely you will win with the lowest payroll , the Mets right now are at around 16th. Only another Michael Cuddyer signing behind your arbitrary top 12 number. <br /><br /><br />S Finchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-5303577496312471112014-12-19T12:27:35.974-05:002014-12-19T12:27:35.974-05:00S. Finch...
once again....
It is indisputable th...S. Finch...<br /><br />once again....<br /><br />It is indisputable that over the past 15 years there is a direct realationship between being in the top 12 payrolls and becoming the World Series Champion!bgreg98180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641039400307113366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-29496678493834190742014-12-19T12:26:23.697-05:002014-12-19T12:26:23.697-05:00Mack
unfortunately that is exactly what I have do...Mack<br /><br />unfortunately that is exactly what I have done..<br /><br />bgreg98180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641039400307113366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-90492508013684530722014-12-19T12:25:57.549-05:002014-12-19T12:25:57.549-05:00Rationalizing or misdirecting????
There are just ...Rationalizing or misdirecting????<br /><br />There are just not enough games played in a playoff race to make any real determination.. Any team can get hot and pull off 3 series wins in a row. <br /><br />During the season we have 162 games as a data point (larger sample size=greater accuracy). <br /><br />This is math... you are using 12 data points. I am using 162 games X 10 years. Which do you think is more accurate? <br /><br />Is your argument that payroll doesn't correlate with wins, but somehow comes into play during the playoffs? I'm confused...<br />S Finchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-42092844653866229842014-12-19T12:23:50.511-05:002014-12-19T12:23:50.511-05:00Anonymous...
you are forgetting that before Reyes...Anonymous...<br /><br />you are forgetting that before Reyes' hammy problem there was opportunity and speculation that Reyes should have been put on the market.<br /><br />I believe also... he returned healthy before the final trade deadlinebgreg98180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641039400307113366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-76642621724138387152014-12-19T12:18:15.787-05:002014-12-19T12:18:15.787-05:00as I mentioned yesterday, Reyes' value was sev...as I mentioned yesterday, Reyes' value was severely depressed at the trading deadline because he was on the DL with a hammy and was also the only bright spot on a terrible team because he was leading the league in hitting. It would be impossible to project what he could have returned in a trade, but a 3 month rental for a player who was on the DL and was going to take the highest contract in the off season probably would have returned very little. The also received a compensatory pick for Reyes that was turned into Kevin Plawecki, so it is not accurate to say they got nothing. Could have they gotten more? maybe, but they did a get a catcher who is a top 5 prospectAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com