tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post988973045803851306..comments2024-03-28T17:57:21.603-04:00Comments on Mack's Mets: Morning Report - November 25 - Hanley Ramirez, NL-LHRP, Ike DavisMack Adehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09730548449011685243noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-6699564588265327802014-11-25T12:43:20.422-05:002014-11-25T12:43:20.422-05:00Chris
Profar played poorly before he was hurt .23...Chris<br /><br />Profar played poorly before he was hurt .231 and poor defense. I believe this was do to the way they used him. One day left field, one day 2nd base, one day right field, a couple of days on the bench, and so on. His stock did go down.<br />I do agree that they would not take that deal as is but I would try. I would be willing to include Nimmo in a larger trade.<br />The Rangers need pitching, at all levels. They would love to have Montero. They would take Gee. You are likely right that they wouldn't want them at the cost of Profar. <br />I know for certain I would not include Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, or Syndergaaerd in any trade for any of the SS that are being mentioned in trade rumors. If that can't upgrade at SS with Gee, Neise, Montero, or Colon then stick with internal options.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-21517177900959316662014-11-25T12:27:18.295-05:002014-11-25T12:27:18.295-05:00Chris,
The fact that the winter still has a long ...Chris,<br /><br />The fact that the winter still has a long way to go before it is played out is why I ask whether Alderson has misjudged as a question.<br /><br />The way many are evaluating Colon, Gee, and Nieses value here and in reports as being so low is why the question even comes to mind at this time.<br /><br />IF...and I emphasize IF... the winter plays out and none of Gee, Niese, or Colon are moved as part of acquiring an offensive upgrade to the starting line-up.... <br />then It should be fair to question Alderson misjudging their value as part of his plan to improve this team.bgreg98180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641039400307113366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-71547363914151001302014-11-25T12:11:32.534-05:002014-11-25T12:11:32.534-05:00Chris-
While I think your projection is (alas) pr...Chris-<br /><br />While I think your projection is (alas) pretty accurate, we are a better team IMO with den Dekker/Puello in RF, Grandy/Cuddyer in LF and one of them available as a PH, than with Grandy & Cuddyer in the OF corners.Hobiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12583242267777911354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-89437978093565925082014-11-25T11:41:21.723-05:002014-11-25T11:41:21.723-05:00@Richard
Texas would hang up the phone laughing. ...@Richard<br /><br />Texas would hang up the phone laughing. Profar was a Top 10 MLB prospect talent before the injuries. <br /><br />Plus they don't need middle/back-end of the rotation arms, they have plenty of those. What Texas needs is another front-line starter to pair with Darvish (Kenta Maeda??) and some help in the OF.<br /><br />We can provide neither...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-88669185220425881802014-11-25T11:38:21.584-05:002014-11-25T11:38:21.584-05:00@Hobie
I don't think Cuddyer is a replacement...@Hobie<br /><br />I don't think Cuddyer is a replacement for soup. Cuddy was brought here to be the full time starter in RF and to spot Duda at 1B against top tier lefties. <br /><br />So your OF configuration will be more like<br /><br />LF- Grandy (162 games)<br />CF- Lagares (162 games)<br />RF- Cuddyer (125 games)/ Den Dekker (37 games)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-12332444169876543722014-11-25T11:37:07.113-05:002014-11-25T11:37:07.113-05:00If I were running the Mets my first call would be ...If I were running the Mets my first call would be to the Rangers. I would look to trade Gee, Montero, and Mazzoni to the Rangers for Profar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-49140436159235252912014-11-25T11:35:56.993-05:002014-11-25T11:35:56.993-05:00@Bob
The SP market has not even played out yet......@Bob<br /><br />The SP market has not even played out yet....so who's to say there won't be interest in Colon, Gee, or Niese.<br /><br />Everyone is waiting to see what Jon Lester does first. That's why we aren't hearing rumors on Scherzer, Shields, or anybody other than Lester.<br /><br />Once the big names fall, the losers of the bidding will then start to scramble and look at the trade market.<br /><br />That's how the off-season has worked for past few years. Its still WAYYYY too early to make assumptions on Alderson's offseason performance. We haven't even reached the Winter Meetings yetAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-51379582464264127312014-11-25T11:30:46.017-05:002014-11-25T11:30:46.017-05:00Speculating on trades is like playing poker with y...Speculating on trades is like playing poker with yourself; you just can’t do it objectively. There is no market even semi-objectively for Gee/Neise/Colon until the big FA’s fall, and probably not until ST injuries take their toll or even later at the deadline.<br /><br />I’m ready to go with what we have:<br />C TdA, 1B-Duda; 2B-Murph; SS-Wilmer; 3B-DW<br />LF-Grandy/Cuddyer*; CF-Legares; RF-den Dekker/Puello<br />SP-Harvey, Wheeler, de Grom, Gee, Colon<br />RP-Mejia, familia, Black, Parnell, Edgin, Montero, Neise<br />Bench- Monell(?), Kirk, and… TJ Rivera!<br /><br />*Cudyer basically replaces Soup: he can get AB’s in LF, 1B, DH (and in a pinch, 3B—he’s had 174G there in MLB. 148 starts, and long ago in the MinL, 355/122 games at 3B/SS!)<br /><br />So compared to 2014:<br />Cuddyer > Cambell<br />Grandy in LF > Grandy in RF (and Grandy/Cudder even better)<br />Den Dekker/Puello in RF >> 2014 LF conglomerate<br />Harvey & deGrom from the start > 2014 rotation<br />BP >> 2014 1st half BP<br />Healthy DW(>) > 2014 DW<br />Late season Flores > 2014 SS combo<br />TdA 2015 = TdA 2014 <br /><br />If Herrera, Nimmo, Thor & Matz are knocking on the door come jury then… (started playing poker with myself)<br />Hobiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12583242267777911354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-77735059354222503012014-11-25T11:23:04.056-05:002014-11-25T11:23:04.056-05:00Chris,
if your "how so?" was directed t...Chris,<br /><br />if your "how so?" was directed toward my comment on Alderson misjudging the market....<br /><br />Colon was obtained with atleast in part, the idea that when the younger pitchers came along he could be easily traded with value.<br /><br />Talks of Niese and Gee being traded have been ongoing for the past few years. <br /><br />Alderson was reported as not trading Colon this past summer because his value would be much greater this winter.<br /><br />It was also reported that Alderson planned on using Gee, Niese, and Colon as valuable trade chips in acquiring better offensive players at OF or SS this winter.<br /><br />Now, all I read is that all three of Niese, Colon, and Gee's values are not even close to being worth the offensive talent planned on.bgreg98180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641039400307113366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-68792117693246348092014-11-25T10:55:06.948-05:002014-11-25T10:55:06.948-05:00The problem with Niese is he's injury prone. ...The problem with Niese is he's injury prone. If he has simply averaged 180-200 innings a year he'd be a huge chip because of his stuff and contract.<br /><br />The problems are in his shoulder and heart. He has issues. I can't see the Mets trading any of these arms for anything more than a good bullpen arm or a good low level prospect. <br /><br />They'd certainly have to build a package to get anything substantial. However, I'd look into moving Thor if it meant getting a good young SS like Boegarts. Maybe Thor and Gee? Thor and Colon would be ideal. I wouldn't hesitate to make that move.Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03520446193510393380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-53098476379744833332014-11-25T10:22:21.382-05:002014-11-25T10:22:21.382-05:00I feel like we should all do a quick double take o...I feel like we should all do a quick double take on those aroldis Chapman stats.....Jesus.......im sure Mets front office has to keep that in mind when it comes to their excess starting pitching prospects. Not everyone can convert to the bullpen, but certain all or nothing young fireballers should always get quiet consideration for a move, even if they have great trade value as a starting pitcher elsewhere. Remember, the idea in baseball, just like every other sport, is to fill your roster with best possible players, regardless of their listed position. <br />My new york football giants have a recent history of drafting and acquiring players at positions said to already be solid. They did it because the value of the player available to take was there for the taking. When healthy the team won two titles, partially due to the depth and strength that came from the overall talent.Ernest Dovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12054861033443392454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-88000746558658314842014-11-25T10:18:45.827-05:002014-11-25T10:18:45.827-05:00Why not just add a lefty BP arm, and also trade at...Why not just add a lefty BP arm, and also trade at least one of Niese, Colon, Gee for prospects, and go to war with that?<br /><br />Make further changes at mid-season.<br /><br />I would definitely trade Niese, but if we get nothing for him out of fear his arm will fall off, then put him in the pen and let it fall off helping us win gamesTom Brennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032383157195393857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-32569170390354582942014-11-25T10:14:34.806-05:002014-11-25T10:14:34.806-05:00That's some list of relievers, huh?That's some list of relievers, huh?Mack Adehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09730548449011685243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-30717380326191367232014-11-25T10:03:34.547-05:002014-11-25T10:03:34.547-05:00don't forget the Angels and Rangersdon't forget the Angels and RangersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-1757527279158540032014-11-25T09:55:11.693-05:002014-11-25T09:55:11.693-05:00Not for nothin, but the Dodgers recently spent abo...Not for nothin, but the Dodgers recently spent about a billion dollars on their roster. Last time I checked, they still have NO titles from it. And the Yankees are currently old and terrible. <br />If Mets fans want ownership to spend a few hundred million on good-above average players simply to win 85+ games a year, then maybe the overall entertainment that comes from your favorite team winning more then losing is a good thing. But I just don't see currenr front office/ownership wanting to throw out money just to do that. I assume (hope) they want multiple title contending teams throughout the rest of this decade, not just a great-on-paper franchise with high priced takent.Ernest Dovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12054861033443392454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-3169494735961926502014-11-25T09:49:24.415-05:002014-11-25T09:49:24.415-05:00The trade value of Niese, Gee or Colon is likely t...The trade value of Niese, Gee or Colon is likely to rise a little bit once the Big Arms are off the market, but any one of them does not seem to be worth anything substantial in return, so I am wondering what their value might be if two were traded together? Niese or Gee might get a secondary piece back but Niese AND Gee I think could be extremely valuable to a team short on pitching. I mean, you are getting 40% of your rotation filled with proven ML starters, so even if you are not getting an Ace, you are filling two holes at once.<br />Anon Joe FAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-12639458151306675072014-11-25T09:25:04.113-05:002014-11-25T09:25:04.113-05:00How so? I'm not sure Alderson was in the Sando...How so? I'm not sure Alderson was in the Sandoval or Ramirez marketsChristopher Sotohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07546022315994489757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-85102485972472673472014-11-25T09:18:40.441-05:002014-11-25T09:18:40.441-05:00I believe the team is one the cusp of real content...I believe the team is one the cusp of real contention. Sometimes "the missing piuece" is worthy of a reach or even an overpay. You are not merely trading a players...you are trading for an outcome---Wins!<br /><br />Castro and Ramirez seem worthy of some added cost. Heck, if they think Drew is still a 730-770 OPS guy, he's worth an over paid 1 year deal.<br /><br />The team is beyond the "Gathering Only Phase>"...it's time to win.<br /><br />eraffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06493607580550078769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-25733434866514499282014-11-25T09:06:50.093-05:002014-11-25T09:06:50.093-05:00so...
is this another example of Mr. Alderson mis-...so...<br />is this another example of Mr. Alderson mis-judging the market?bgreg98180https://www.blogger.com/profile/05641039400307113366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-81053879396267294462014-11-25T08:52:30.038-05:002014-11-25T08:52:30.038-05:00Ugh, sorry about the typos and sloppiness.
JPUgh, sorry about the typos and sloppiness. <br /><br />JPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-69671082298646032802014-11-25T08:51:32.903-05:002014-11-25T08:51:32.903-05:00I don't believe that Niese should go to the pe...I don't believe that Niese should go to the pen -- or that he's thrive there. We are all waiting for the arm to fall off, and I don't the up-and-down role suits him.<br /><br />Gee could go for a spare part, I'd think. Mets do need a LH relief pitcher and a RH outfield bat for 300-400 ABs. Read: No one named Eric.<br /><br />The problem has always been the ill-advised Colon contract.<br /><br />JPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-592615130369356022.post-16000148834209057332014-11-25T08:33:51.966-05:002014-11-25T08:33:51.966-05:00Morning, Mack. Any of these teams we could send G...Morning, Mack. Any of these teams we could send Gee or Colon to for a lefty quality arm? If not, Niese to pen and call it a day?<br /><br />From my tablet - getting the hang of itTom Brennanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032383157195393857noreply@blogger.com