Major Leaguers Who Have Normal Deliveries Are Fine
…EVEN Submariners Like Tyler Rogers and Dan Quisenberry Are Fine
…But Some Delivery Styles Are OUTLAWED
OUTLAWED DELIVERY
I watched an old video of Eddie Feigner the Softball King fanning major league all stars. So, I asked AI the rules:
Rules & Mechanics
- Underhand Restrictions: MLB rules do not completely ban underhand or sidearm throwing motions in general (submarine pitchers like Brad Ziegler or Darren O'Day throw with a low arm angle), but the full underhand softball windmill motion with a release point below the waist violates official pitching and delivery constraints.
- Foot Contact Rules: The forward skip, leap, or hop common in a fastpitch softball delivery breaks MLB rules requiring the pivot foot to maintain continuous contact with the pitching rubber until the ball is released (similar to violations called on leaping/hopping MLB pitchers like Carter Capps).
So, if you didn’t know, now you do, Magoo.
Baseball Reference had this dandy list - of some very effective, and legal, but quite funky, pitchers:
A chronological List of Submarine/Underhand/Low-Sidearm Pitchers
- Cy Young – occasionally
- Joe McGinnity – alternated between overhand and underhand
- Rube Foster – occasionally
- Three Finger Brown – occasionally
- Ed Willett – limited use of underhand floater, many thought he should do it all the time
- Chief Bender – occasionally
- Jack Warhop
- By Speece
- Erskine Mayer – underhand and sidearm
- Guy Morton – occasionally
- Carl Mays – only true submariner between Warhop and Auker
- Art Nehf – occasionally
- Slim Harriss – low sidearm fastball
- Sheriff Blake – occasionally after 1928
- Satchel Paige – occasional
- Hod Lisenbee – occasionally
- Clint Brown – submarine screwball
- Ad Liska
- Chief Hogsett
- Bobo Newsom – may have been converted away from it early in career
- Pat Caraway – submarine knuckleball
- Tex Carleton – sidearm
- Elden Auker
- Sam Nahem
- Ken Raffensberger – experimented with arm angles
- Dizzy Trout – occasionally
- Murry Dickson – occasionally
- Russ Christopher
- Ted Wilks – occasionally late in career
- Bill Werle – occasionally underhand
- Dick Hyde
- Ted Abernathy – after 1957
- Ken Johnson – occasionally
- Andy Hassler – occasionally
- Kent Tekulve – 1980’s revival starter
- Dan Quisenberry
- Bob Long
- Terry Leach
- Mark Eichhorn – after 1983 injury
- Steve Olin
- Steve Reed – low sidearm
- Brad Clontz
- Mike Myers
- Chad Bradford
- Byung-Hyun Kim
- Mike Venafro
- Kelly Wunsch
- Eddie Oropesa
- Bret Prinz
- Brad Ziegler
- Adam Cimber
- Tyler Rogers
- Ben Rowen

Is this your underhanded approach to re-acquiring Tyler Rogers?
ReplyDeleteWe could do worse. 1.77 ERA, 74 games? Wow. Why don’t more wannabes learn to throw that way?
DeleteI so embarrassed myself hitting against Eddie
ReplyDeleteEddie could probably still strike us out. After all, he’s only been dead 19 years.He can’t be TOO rusty.
DeleteDavid Cone and Oil Can Boyd would occasionally throw sidearm too. Where are they on this list? Did Luis Tiant?
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Rogers, of whom I’d rather never see again, the Giants had to cut José Butto and Texas picked him up right away. Seems the Giants had 16 players on the 60 day IL, and after the season needed to cut 16 guys to find room for them. They lost alot of players really fast.