We’re finally here, Offseason 2014 and the hot stove is
heating up….well, it’s at least lukewarm.
There’s been talk about free agents, trade acquisitions, moving players
out of town, a lot of talking from Mets officials and even more talking across
the blogosphere – most of it pessimistic.
We’re all afraid that we’re going to be let down as the talk of
acquiring bigger names and spending more money continues to be walked back
every time Alderson talks.
However, it’s still early and I’m not ready to join the boo birds just
yet.
The only signing so far has been ridiculed and criticized
almost universally. I’m still
willing to give our FO the benefit of the doubt that they are feeling out the
market and they’re actively seeking improvements. True, we heard last year that the OF would be upgraded and
then Alderson passed on the few options that were out there. I wasn’t as critical of this as some
because I didn’t think Bourn was a long-term solution or worth the money he
wanted. I also didn’t think trading
Wheeler for Upton would have been the right move and thankfully the Mets
passed. I think this offseason is
different. The fans’ frustration
and impatience is palpable and I’m sure was reflected on the balance sheet this
year when attendance and advertising revenues were reviewed. The team knows they have to improve or
they risk losing a large number of fans for an extended period of time. The honeymoon is officially over and
there has to be a product on the field that fans can actually be excited about. It doesn’t have to be a World Series
year, but it must be a transitional year where improvements are made…not a lost
year like 2013, Matt Harvey or no Matt Harvey.
So, what is the team to do? There are limited options and a finite amount of money to spend. When I usually work on prospective
lineups, I always focus on the main 13 (8 regulars, 5 rotation pitchers) and
will do the same here. What we
know: The Mets want to improve SS,
want to add at least 2 (and quite possibly 3 OF), 2 starting pitchers to what
they have. D’Arnaud is going to be
the starting catcher, 1B is going to likely be Duda or Davis, Wright will stay
at 3B, and the team will have to fill in any gaps created by making trades to
address the improvements already listed.
1) Trade Ike
Davis to Tampa Bay for Jeremy Hellickson
Rumors have had 5 teams interested in Davis to varying
degrees. It seems Milwaukee and
Houston have backed off of their interest, leaving Baltimore, Colorado, and
Tampa Bay as potential landing spots for the embattled 1B. Of these 3 teams, I think TB presents
the best potential return for Ike.
Hellickson was the ROY in 2011 after being one of the top prospects in
all of baseball and followed that season up with an equally impressive
2012. However, 2013 was a horrific
season for him and he could be ripe for a change of scenery. Would the Rays give up on him so
easily, especially in an offseason where they are expected to shop David Price? It’s difficult to say, but if any team
could it would be Tampa. They have
incredible pitching depth and it can assumed that some young pitching would be
coming back their way in any Price deal.
Also, if they hold onto Hellickson they run the risk that he continues
to slide and loses any value he might have. If James Loney moves on to greener ($$$) pastures as he is
expected to, they’ll have a hole at 1B.
Swapping Hellickson for Ike Davis could be the sort of change-of-scenery
win-win deal that’s needed for these two players. Hellickson could easily return to form in the pitcher-friendly
NL, especially in Citifield. Davis
may well return to his big power days, I just don’t believe it’s ever going to
happen here. His head is too
messed up in NYM, evident in the report that he has already wanted out. The Mets might have to add a bit to the
deal, but then the Rays might also throw in something else to balance it out,
so for now I’m leaving the deal as a 1-for-1 swap. The Mets move a headache and address one of the starting
pitching slots that they want to.
Hellickson would likely slide into the SP3 role after Wheeler and Niese.
2) Trade
Kevin Plawecki and Jacob deGrom for Andre Ethier and $11.5M
It’s no secret that the Dodgers want to get out from at
least one of their OF contracts.
For the Mets, Ethier seems to be the best option of the three. Kemp, well the most talented carries
the heftiest contract and the largest injury risk. Carl Crawford seems to be a shell of his former self and far
too expensive.
The Mets need production from the OF, there is no disputing that. Ethier is far from my first choice but
he is an interesting option nonetheless.
If the Mets were to acquire him, I’d return him to the #2 spot in the
lineup, a spot he thrived in during his career. Even though he seems to have started towards the end of his
prime years, he still posted a .360 OBP for the Dodgers last year, something
the Mets could certainly use in front of David Wright.
The $11.5M gets Ethier’s salary to an even $15M per season
for the life of the contract (2014-2017) as well as covers his buyout for 2018
or brings the 2018 salary down to $15M.
Plawecki and deGrom have potential but they are B prospects. There are enough pitching prospects in
the system to make up for the loss of someone like deGrom and the organization
is committed to d’Arnaud as the catcher of the present and future. The reason I would make this offer
instead of top prospects is that the Mets are taking on the bulk of the
contract. Ethier is a player I
could see contributing to the Mets but he’s not someone I’d want to spend top
prospects on. Acquiring him for
these two solves one of the OF problems without creating too much pain.
3) Trade
Dillon Gee, Daniel Murphy, Cesar Puello and $2M to Kansas City for Alex Gordon
and Sean Maneae
Gordon is a player I’ve wanted the Mets to add for
years. He’s been rumored to be
available at trade deadlines and in offseason hot stoves but deals have not
been made for him. I believe that
the Mets have interest in him as they explored dealing for him last year. This year, Kansas City is looking for
starting pitching and a 2B.
Trading Gordon would also create a hole in their OF but it doesn’t have
to be long-term. Gee could be a
valuable pitcher for the Royals and Murphy could be the 2B they’re looking
for. Puello would start the year
in AAA but could be up by mid-year.
The Royals can stand to trade Gordon because the team is becoming more
and more about its pitching and Hosmer and Moustakas. Gordon makes up a large percentage of their payroll and is
only signed for another two years.
He’s likely to leave as a free agent when the team needs to commit more
money to its younger players. I’d
ask the Royals to add a prospect to the deal and went with Maneae. He carries sizable risk with his injury
but also sizable upside. He’s in
the Royals’ Top 10 prospects but closer to 10 than the top. The Royals paid him a $3.5M bonus for
him when they drafted him so I included $2M to soften the blow. Because he was drafted only last June,
this trade would have to wait until the middle of January at least, so that
Maneae could be included as a PTBNL.
With Flores on the team and the need for someone to hit in
the middle of the lineup, I would trade Daniel Murphy for Gordon without
thinking twice. Since the Mets
have already stated they want 2 starting pitchers this offseason, it appears
that Gee, Mejia, or Montero would be on the trade block. Wheeler and Niese are locks for the
rotation and Syndergaard won’t be traded.
That leaves 3 pitching jobs – 2 rotation spots and a placeholder for
Syndergaard. Assuming an offseason
addition holds down the fort for Noah, we’re down to 2 spots and 1 of Gee,
Mejia, and Montero to potentially fill only 1 of them as the 2nd
acquired pitcher (I’ve gone with Hellickson) to fill the other. Since Gee will likely be the most
attractive in trade and Hellickson could potentially provide as good (if not
better) production, the Mets can afford to trade him.
4) Sign
Jhonny Peralta for 3 years, $39M
The Mets obviously want to upgrade at SS from outside the
organization and it seems that Peralta is their favorite target. While things are on hold right now, I
don’t believe they’ve completely soured and the Mets will still be negotiating
with him. I think his price will
eventually come back down to Earth and the Mets will wind up as the team that
signs him.
5) Trade
for Daniel Nava
Okay, I’m punting on this one. After putting all the other pieces together, I’ve found
myself in need of an OF who can hit leadoff and who is likely to be available. I settled on Nava because of his
performance last year with the Red Sox and the likelihood that he won’t be in
the starting OF there. Victorino
will be in RF, when/if Ellsbury leaves Bradley will take over in CF, and the
Sox have been rumored to be interested in adding another OF. That squeezes Nava out of the starting
picture. It remains to be seen if
they value him as an irreplaceable super-sub or if the Mets would have what the
Sox would want in trade.
The lineup (with salaries):
1.
RF Nava (0.5)
2.
CF Ethier (15)
3.
3B Wright (20)
4.
LF Gordon (10)
5.
SS Peralta (13)
6.
1B Duda (2)
7.
2B Flores (0.5)
8.
Ca d’Arnaud (0.5)
SP1 Wheeler (0.5)
SP2 Niese (5)
SP3 Hellickson (3.5)
SP4 Mejia (0.5)
SP5 Matsuzaka (0.5)/Syndergaard
(0.5)
The total salary for that group would come to $72M for the
2014 season. That should leave
plenty of room in the budget for the FO to round out the rest of the roster.
Of the 3 OF’s, Ethier has experience there and I expect him
to play well enough. He wouldn’t
be nearly as good as Lagares but he’ll add enough offensively. He was good enough to play CF on a team
that went to the NLCS. Gordon
might not have much experience hitting in the middle of a lineup but he has 20+
HR power and is an all-star and professional hitter. He’s not a thumper, but considering what’s available I think
he’s a great option to add to the lineup.
I expect Duda to have a solid season given how he was performed with
less pressure and without having to balance playing such an uncomfortable
defensive position. He’s not a long-term
answer there but he can be good enough hitting 6th for the next year
or two. Flores and d’Arnaud took
their lumps last year and hopefully gained a lot of growth from the
experience. At the bottom of the
lineup and with more veterans to take the pressure off, I think they’ll make
progress. Top to bottom, that
lineup might not be spectacular but it is solid 1-8 if everyone plays to their
potential and performs to their roles.
The pitching staff has questions (can Wheeler take the next
step, how healthy is Niese, can Hellickson bounce back, what can we expect from
Mejia over a whole season, will Syndergaard be the next big thing?) but has the
potential to be very good. The FO
wants two starting pitchers.
Hellickson fills one role and I’d expect the Mets to sign Matsuzaka or
someone similar as the second to hold down a spot until Syndergaard is ready.
When Harvey returns in 2015, this team could be primed to
take another step forward. All of
the position players will still be under team control, Flores and d’Arnaud will
have a full year’s experience and the team could have an embarrassment of
starting pitching to deal from to make further improvements. With Harvey, Wheeler, Niese,
Syndergaard, Mejia, Montero, and Hellickson the Mets could have the deepest
pitching in MLB.
The team assembled doesn’t have the sexiest names but I
believe it would accomplish three goals – compete for a playoff spot, keep
payroll flexibility, and keep most of the farm system intact.
While I respect your opinion...all of these trades are 100% unlikely. Ike Davis for Hellickson is wild...Davis has battled himself in the big leagues. Plawecki and Puello for Either? The Dodgers get nothing from that...not even worth it for them saving money. Alex Gordon for Gee (package) is likely but we can't give away Gee while Harvey is on the shelf.
ReplyDeleteWell, when I put the Davis for Hellickson package together, I mentioned it might take more from the Mets. I would even include Montero. At that point though, we'd need something extra from TB. But, if you get Hellickson + for Davis and Montero then the Gee for Gordon deal follows after it.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the Dodgers are going to get much for Ethier other than a salary dump, just my opinion.
ReplyDeleteHi Michael
ReplyDeleteI think that theres alot more to the payroll picture than that.
There are defferred salaries, and buyouts that you aren't including.
Most sources have the 2014payroll obligations at 58-60 million before they add a single player.
Also I don't beleive that the Royals would trade Sean Mannea under just about any circumstances
How much of that number includes salaries for Gee, Davis, Murphy, et al who would be traded?
DeleteManeae doesn't have to be the target, I just would like KC to add an interesting prospect further down their depth chart and figured Maneae's injury risk made him an option. He could easily be replaced with another young pitcher.
Michael,
ReplyDeleteI really don't know..
That stuff is all murky waters and everybody has a different opinion on how much the Mets have to spend.
Youre proposed trades add up to about 40 mil or so, and then if you subtract the arbitration raises for Murph, Ike, and Gee that puts you at about 33 or so. So its not like you overshot or anything...it just doesn't leave them with any room for depth signings.
Hi Michael - Good ideas, but I see some problems.
ReplyDelete1. I don't think you're getting Ethier and cash for Plawecki and deGrom. Just like KC, they need a major league ready 3B and SP. Despite the injury risk, I would ask for Kemp first, but I'd probably wind up with Ethier. Essentially, you are offering the same package for Gordon and Manaea as I am for Ethier and Pederson. The difference is I can't see KC trading Manaea before he has had a pro AB, while Pederson could be available. I don't think we have the chips to get both Gordon and Ethier, and personally, I'm making the Ethier trade. For the package I'm offering, I'd expect much more than $11.5 million back. I believe LA would give back about 1/3 of the $69 million he is owed plus the $2.5 mil buyout.
2. I think you can forget Nava. Boston has said they're not taking offers for him, and you have run out of trade chips anyway.
3. You know from my comment yesterday, that I like the idea of a trade with TBR for Hellickson. I'd probably wind up having to give up Davis, but I'd start by offering Duda plus a good prospect. Similarly, I'd like to sign Peralta, although I am growing concerned that he may be pricing himself out of our range. Hopefully, he will come out of the clouds when he doesn't get the lofty offers he expects.
4. As you can see, you tried to get 3 outfielders, while I have gotten only one so far. If I am Sandy and I really want to compete this year, I'll get Choo for 5 years/$95 million. If Boras/Choo won't bite, I'd go after Granderson.
5. Lastly, for depth,I'd sign Dice-K ($3 Mil), Hawkins ($2 Mil), and a bench player or two (<$5 mil).
These suggestions would actually price out under $40 million after subtracting the projected salaries of Murph, Gee & Davis, who aare traded.
Oh, and one thing I didn't mention, I'm not trading Plawecki. In the event d'Arnaud doesn't work out (and he is no sure thing) Plawecki is my backup plan for catcher of the future.
ReplyDeleteHerb - thanks for the feedback!
ReplyDeleteI didn't know Boston said they weren't fielding offers for him, he's off the list.
I like Gordon a lot better than Ethier, but if the Mets could get Ethier and Pederson it would be a worthwhile deal. I still think the Dodgers aren't getting much unless they eat a significant amount of salary..that's why I had the offer of two B prospects, the Mets would be taking on the huge financial burden.
Plawecki is a *decent* player but Id still like to see him hit above A-ball. I wouldn't cry if trading him brought the Mets a legitimate MLB hitter.
Michael, here's the link on Nava:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/rob-bradford/2013/11/18/why-daniel-nava-has-become-red-sox-offseason-
To me, Ethier vs.Gordon is a wash, but the possibility of getting Pederson too (which has been talked up by some pundits) makes a trade with LA more attractive.
I really like Plawecki. That .390 OBP makes you sit up and take notice. We'll have to see if he can handle AA pitching this year. That will be a big test.
That Gordon trade is exactly the kind of move that the Mets need to make this offseason. Not sure if the Royals would be up for moving him, but for the right package anyone can be had.
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