We have to revisit the
possibility (probability?) of a Nick Franklin for
Rafael Montero deal.
Mets ‘insiders’ are
telling Adam Rubin that both teams will be
revisiting this proposed deal ‘in the next month’. I’m sure Sandy Alderson will do everything he can to steer away
from Montero here, but this deal has been made in the press 100x over.
The one hope could be a
two-for-one trade that would include a quality starter prospect like Jacob deGrom, Michael Fulmer, or Rainy Lara…
and… a quality relief prospect like Jeff Walters,
Adam Kolarek, John Church,
or Erik Goeddel.
It might seem like I’m
dealing up too much for someone that hit .225, 12-HR, 45-RBI, 6-SB in 369-AB
last year; however, it was his rookie season as a 22-year old. It was the first
sign of power since 2010 when he hit 23-HR, 65-RBI for A-ball Clinton.
He also has been
bounced around between short and second base, though shortstop is his natural
position. 2013 was spent mostly on second but, pro-wise, he has played 264
games at short while only 218 at second.
The Mets have the depth
in young pitching prospect to offer up two pitchers, who frankly are going to
have a tough time finding a slot for themselves in Queens anyway.
You also could offer Jenrry Mejia, but very few teams trade for young
pitchers coming off multiple DL problems.
Me?
I’m not totally sold on
Franklin but I’d love the problem.
Who's the better prospect without a home, Nick Franklin or Chris Owings?
ReplyDeleteIMO, hands down... Owings.
ReplyDeleteHe's done nothing wrong yet.
Would you trade Montero?
ReplyDeleteFranklin: MLB.com - #47, Baseball America - #79
ReplyDeleteOwings: unranked
Owings: MLB - 61 PA, .291/.361/.382/.742 0 HR, 5 2B, 2 SB, 5 RBI in a hitter's park
Franklin: MLB- 1st 124 PA, .295/.363/.482/.845, 4 HR, 9 2B, 5 SB, 15 RBI in a pitcher's park
- - - - petered out to 412 PA, .225/.303/.382/.686 12 HR, 20 2B, 6 SB, 45 RBI
MLB is a very small sample
minor league careers:
Owings: 460 G, .291/.320/.441/.761
Franklin: 394 G, .287/.360/.459/.819 more power, better speed
I am squarely in Franklin's camp
Well Herb, you and I are back to that comfortable area of not agreeing with each other... :)
ReplyDeleteAs I said earlier, Owings has done nothing wrong yet, either as a minor leaguer or a part time major leaguer. I believe he also is younger, right?
Franklin is a below level fielder which has to also be an importance here.
I'm not sure I'm in Owings camp, but I'm not in Franklin's.
Jva Jaron Van Anden · Dutchess Community College
ReplyDeleteI think Franklin would be than Ruben.
Scott - Right now, I wouldn't trade Montero for anyone.
ReplyDeleteHe's the talk of the camp, 2nd behind Thor.
There's an outside chance the Mets could have four aces in 2015.
You have to wait this out.
Mack -
ReplyDeleteIt's not the first time, and it is probably not the last, that we haven't been in total agreement. : ) A little disagreement is a healthy thing.
My dad (may he rest in peace) was fond of telling the following story:
A man goes into a clothing store and asks the price of one of the shirts. "$20", says the owner. "But the man in the store across the street says he would sell it to me for $18", the guy says. "So, go buy it from the guy across the street" says the storekeeper. "He doesn't have any in stock" says the guy. To which the owner replies "If I didn't have any in stock, I'd sell it to you for $15."
Chris Owings is not in stock, so it doesn't matter which is better. Until the D-Backs make him available, we can't get him at any price. But I am wondering, Mack, what did Franklin do wrong?
Mack-
ReplyDeleteBTW, as much as I like both Franklin and Owings (and Miller, for that matter) I don't want to give up Montero for any of them. I definitely do agree with you that we could have 4 Aces in the rotation in 2015 or 2016. Your dual package of a quality starter (deGrom, Fulmer, Lara) and a quality reliever (Walter, Kolarek, Church, Goeddel) works just fine for me. I'd even add a good position prospect like Vaughn, if necessary.
Lyle M. Weiser · Top Commenter · Baruch College
ReplyDeleteIf Owings is better than Franklin, how come he is not the starting SS this year in Arizona? Franklin clearly has the higher upside.
If you don't trade Montero, you will be holding on to pitching which will never get a chance to show its worth in any trade.
Montero for Franklin: do it now!!!
Herb -
ReplyDeleteI'm not in love with any of them and they all seem to have their limitations and are high risk.
We had this solved
I want my Jose back.
Mack -
ReplyDeleteYou can't cry over spilled leche. Get over it. Pile the corned beef, swiss cheese, & sauerkraut on the marble rye bread, and enjoy your Ruben. : )
Lyle M. Weiser · Top Commenter · Baruch College
ReplyDeleteIf Owings is better than Franklin, how come he is not the starting SS this year in Arizona? Franklin clearly has the higher upside.
If you don't trade Montero, you will be holding on to pitching which will never get a chance to show its worth in any trade.
Montero for Franklin: do it now!!!
I don't want to move Montero at all either, he has too much value right now. Seattle is trading from a position of strength and we are looking to upgrade at a position of weakness (SS), so Seattle has the advantage in this deal. I would absolutely make a 2 for 1 or even 3 for 1 deal with 2nd tier prospects, but to my first point, why would Seatltle make that type of deal?
ReplyDeleteThey will hold out for a better deal or just hold onto Franklin and leave him at AAA until an injury or slump occurs with Miller. I'm fine with giving Flores a chance and if he clearly doesn't hold his own at SS, we go with Tejada until a better opportunity presents itself.
We've talked about this before, but we don't have a chance a competing for a division title or even wild card, so why mortgage the future for Drew or give up a potential big time starting pitcher in Montero?
I would also consider offering Dillon Gee for Franklin since that would make more sense for both sides. We don't typically see too many prospect for prospect trades and Gee is a more established pitcher that pitched very well the second half of last year and can help Seattle right away. We could always sweeten the pot with another player, but I would consider that deal if I were Seattle since as I mentioned, they are holding the cards in any deal with Franklin, which is not the position you want to be in if you're Mets.
Current suggestions seem to be that the Mets will offer Jacob DeGrom + Juerys Familia for Franklin
ReplyDeleteChristopher Soto · Follow · District I Coordinator at National Club Baseball Association
ReplyDeleteLyle,
Current Talks out of camp are suggesting that Montero is actually going to be getting a legitimate chance to break camp with the team as the #5 starter.
Either that or Montero WILL be the first name called up in case of an injury past the Super 2 date of roughly June 15th.
Do not expect to see Syndergaard till roughly the All-Star break or later.
Closer -
ReplyDeleteThe future of Dillon Gee is in question come 2015, but he does still serve a purpose this season in the rotation.
I'm not convinced Franklin is worth Gee.
Mack,
ReplyDeleteIn regards to Dillon Gee for Nick Franklin, I agree with you that Gee probably had more value but given our current SS options, Seattle can ask for more knowing we have Ruben Tejada penciled in at SS.
I'd personally like to see a 3 way trade involving Ike Davis to team X, team X providing Seattle with prospects they require for Nick Franklin and Nick Franklin coming to Queens. That to me seems like a plausible option if said deal could be arranged, particularly for the Mets and how the roster if playing out. However. It doesn't look like we can get enough for Ike to warrant Franklin, so we might have to throw in more to get that done. de Grom?
That might be more than enough, but I'd still make that trade since we're negotiating from a position of weakness, which is different from the Beltran, Dickey & Byrd/Buck trades.