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Derek McKnight asked -
11am - Christopher Soto - MM's Top 25- #23
Derek McKnight asked -
Mack, Have you ever gone over the 25 man roster and those of
the division and see where the players are coming from and see if the better
teams have better draft picks on their team.
Example, opening day last year the Mets had 2 IFA in Tejada
and Valdespin with an average draft position of each player of 12 with four 1st
rounders. This year we have eight IFA (I have Mejia as the 5th SP and Tovar as
the bench INF), with an average draft position of 10 with six first rounders
(Harvey not included this year).
The draft is always a crapshoot, but today's article about
finding talent in the 14th round with Flexen got me thinking if teams develop
talent better or they are better because they have more 1st round talent on
their team.
Thanks
Mack –
Thanks Derek, for a very interesting question.
First, I could spend hours breaking out the amount of draft
picks and IFA’s on the other NL-East teams, but there’s no story here. Great
teams have great draft picks, great IFA’s, and fill the holes with other great
players secured through free agency or trades. It’s the end product that
matters and most of the time, it takes trading some of those great draft picks
to get what you need.
There are 50 rounds in a draft and most teams would be
thrilled to develop three great players from each one. 2009 easily looks like a
total bust for the Mets; however, what if Steven Matz (2nd), Darin
Gorski (7th), and T.J. Chism (32nd) all make the 25-man
someday?
You know I’ve been a draft nut for years and, I have to tell
you, I never could identify any plan of action under Omar Minaya. To me, he
seemed to have little respect in later years for the process that made his
reputation.
That being said, his last Mets draft (2010) may turn out to
be a classic for the pitchers picked. Two, Matt Harvey (1st) and
Josh Edgin (30th), have already had success at the major league
level and Greg Peavey (6th), Jeffrey Walters (7th), Jake
deGrom (9th), and Adam Kolarek (11th) could possibly join
them as early as this season.
Whether we like it or not, this team is going to have to be
built from within and it seems to be going down the right (slow) road.
When it comes to Sandy Alderson (let’s stay with pitching…),
2011 looks like it has delivered five great picks in a row… Michael Fulmer (1st),
Cory Mazzoni (2nd), Logan Verrett (3rd), Tyler Pill (4th),
and Jack Leathersich (5th)… but, IMO, the true talent in a scouting
system are the hidden gems (99% of the time at the high school level) you find
in the later rounds… like the 21st round RHP out of Wiregrass Ranch
(FL) HS, John Gant (2013: Brooklyn – 6-4, 2.89, 1.13, 20-yrs old).
2012 brought the Mets 12th round Haines City (FL)
HS RHP Robert Whalen and 14th round Newark Memorial (CA) HS RHP
Chris Flexen.
He then wasted little time in 2013, picking Basic (NV) HS RHP
Andrew Church in the 2nd round and Cypress Woods (TX) HS RHP Casey
Meisner in the 3rd.
These are the names you’re going to be reading about for many
years to come.
Derek, in my opinion, the secret isn’t having more first
round draft picks, but your level of success at that level increases
overwhelmingly the more money you put into your scouting system. You simply
can’t have enough good baseball heads roaming the country side for great
baseball players.
The tough part comes when you’re picking, let’s say 10th,
and players like Michael Gettys, Tyler Beede, and Grant Holmes are still on the
board. This is when great baseball operations have already had multiple scouts
at a minimum of 10 games all three of these players played in.
There was something that told Alderson last year that Dominic
Smith was a better pick than D.J. Peterson, Reese McGuire, or the 1000s of
other players that were eligible for the draft.
That same process told Alderson that Church was a better 2nd
round pick than my favorite, Stanford OF Austin Wilson, but, like I always say,
what do I know?
Scouting isn’t an exact science, especially at the high
school level. The process was close to impossible before the travel teams were
expanded.
I’ve spoken about this in the past…
I ‘scouted’ players (actually, I was a local sports reporter) that played for the Abundant Life Christian Academy, in Hardeeville, South Carolina. They won their level State Championship four years in a row and had two pitchers that hit 90 and produced a .900+ W-L percentage over those years. But here’s the problem… the other teams in this private school ‘white bread’ southern league were simply not competitive to a team whose coach recruited the best home schooled players in the tri-county area. His sources were contacts in the local travel teams who supplied the names of kids that had parents that refused to send their children to the local public schools that were predominantly non-white. Private South Carolina schools allow home schooled ballplayers to play for any school, regardless whether they live in the same county, no less the same zip code.
I ‘scouted’ players (actually, I was a local sports reporter) that played for the Abundant Life Christian Academy, in Hardeeville, South Carolina. They won their level State Championship four years in a row and had two pitchers that hit 90 and produced a .900+ W-L percentage over those years. But here’s the problem… the other teams in this private school ‘white bread’ southern league were simply not competitive to a team whose coach recruited the best home schooled players in the tri-county area. His sources were contacts in the local travel teams who supplied the names of kids that had parents that refused to send their children to the local public schools that were predominantly non-white. Private South Carolina schools allow home schooled ballplayers to play for any school, regardless whether they live in the same county, no less the same zip code.
What was the end result? One pitcher got a free ride at a
college upstate and busted out after his freshman year, while the other
embarrassed himself at a Perfect Game weekend I talked his father into sending
him to. I didn’t do my homework and was enamored by a local family.
Story number two… The Mets Mookie Wilson went to Bamberg
Ehrhardt High School, in Bamburg, South Carolina. He was signed by Mets scout Wayne
Britton in 1977, who had a long-term professional relationship with B-E’s
legendary coach, David Horton.
Scouts retire, but teams never lose their contact list and,
in 1992, Mets scout Craig Kornfield signed another player out of B-E… Mookie’s
son, Preston.
And the beat just kept on… in 2009, Britton was asked by the
Mets if he had anyone else up his sleeve and that conversation resulted in the
team drafting Zach Godley (who passed up signing and pitched well at Tennessee.
Stories like this are repeated every year in baseball.
Professional teams call coaches they have ‘worked with’ in the past, ask them
if they have anybody on their team worth scouting, and also ask them who in
their division should be checked out. You learn real early if the coach you are
talking to had led you down the right path and you never, never do a thing
in his region again without first
placing a call with him and getting his opinion.
That’s where scouting begins.
Mack how did Austin Wilson do last year? I was hoping they had picked him instead of church. I liked him because he was more advanced and everything u had to say about him seemed real good.
ReplyDelete@Zozo
ReplyDeleteWilson was ok....not great just ok....playing for Seattle's Short Season A team.
His K rate was a slightly high 18.5% but its offset by a nice .173 Isolate Power.
All in all, its a small sample size and one that follows a full year of college ball so he could have been worn down.
he did, err, ok... around .240... just .241 at rookie-A ball... 203-AB... 6-HR
ReplyDeleteInteresting perspective on the various ways scouting depth and good connections can pay off.
ReplyDeleteI saw BA's Top 31 Met Prospects. My take is almost all 31 should eventually see the light of day in the majors, and when you consider that maybe there are a dozen or more other guys that could make it to majors but just did not make the top 31 (Muno, Vaughn, Morris, Walters, Cessa, Kolarek, etc.), I am very impressed with the farm system they've compiled. I'd give them an A-.
Hey Mack, any updated speculation as to what happens with all the mlb/aaa ready pitching the Mets have? Simply too many guys for too little spots. Cant all go to the bullpen. Cant all stay at AA.
ReplyDeleteWho stays, who goes. Who does go to bullpen. Who gets traded for "cash consideration".
Ernest, I'll give you my speculation on this on Friday morning.
ReplyDeleteMack:
ReplyDeleteHe actually was pretty impressive his last 10 games of the season
RIP Ralph Kiner!!!!
ReplyDeleteThe one time I met him, he was a true gentleman and very kind to all the fans...I group up listening to you and you knew your stuff, thanx for bringing some class to this organization.