A lot of keyboards have been taking a pounding with thoughts
regarding the future of the Mets roster changes coming via trade or free
agency. With apologies to The Lovin' Spoonful, this is not a day for a daydream.
Instead, it’s a dose of cold, hard probability (if not outright reality)
concerning who will be playing for the club in 2015.
First, let’s consider the modus operandi of one Mr. Sandy
Alderson. His greatest skill is also his
Achilles heal. When it works it’s called
patience. When it doesn’t, it’s called
inertia. The result is the same,
however. He excels at doing nothing. Whether you call it, “Waiting for the market
to come to him” or “Waiting for the other team to blink” the fact remains that
he’s misread and mistimed the market on a great many occasions.
Let’s get the successes out of the way first. He did well with the Carlos Beltran rental in
San Francisco. He got a good haul for
R.A. Dickey who was fresh off a Cy Young season. He fleeced the Pirates for rentals of Marlon Byrd
and John Buck. Bravo! When you have something other teams want and
payroll to dump, you’re a champion…
Or is he? How many
callers did he get for Jose Reyes? Scott
Hairston? Bartolo Colon? Reyes was in the midst of a batting
championship season and he did nothing but let him walk away. Hairston was forced into regular outfield
duty and responded with over 20 HRs yet he again did nothing with free agency
pending. Colon was having a solid
season, leading the team in victories yet once again after clearing waivers he’s
still on the roster.
Then let’s look at the major-league-talent for major-league –talent
trades…well, maybe not. There was Angel
Pagan off to San Francisco for injured Ramon Ramirez and Andres “Why Didn’t We
Cut Him to Save Salary” Torres.
The jury is still out on Ike Davis to the Pirates for Blake
Taylor and Zack Thornton. While we all
know how well Lucas Duda did at 1B for the Mets and how little Davis did for
the Bucs, the fact remains that neither 18 year old Taylor’s 1.10
Strikeout-to-Walk ratio nor 26 year old Thornton’s 1-5/4.22 pitching for Wally
Backman scream future star to anyone.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot one…we can see now why he’s loathe to
trade young pitching when he flipped Colin McHugh who was arguably the ace of
the Astros staff this year for a guy likely to be non-tendered whose only skill
is that of a pinch runner.
Surely he has it within himself to step out of his comfort
zone to act decisively and swiftly when the situation warrants it, right? Does the name Chris Young ring a bell?
So what do we see here?
He’s a guy who, when he’s holding the proven cards, can win a poker
hand. Unfortunately the closest the Mets
have this year to someone fitting that definition is Daniel Murphy who, as you
recall, only was valued at a Luke Gregerson (middle reliever) level a year or
so ago in trade talks. He’s not offering
up a borderline Hall of Famer.
Bartolo Colon, Jon Niese and Dillon Gee all make more money
than the Wilpons would like to spend given the relative wealth of pitching in
the system, but again it doesn’t appear to be a case of dealing a reigning Cy
Young winner that other teams will fight to obtain.
If you’re looking for a connective thread, he’s fared poorly
in the evaluation of major league talent, but gotten lucky or had good scouting
on some valuable prospects he’s gotten in return in trades. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it’s he
who has the good prospects that other teams may salivate should they be offered
up in trade.
My conclusion, however, is that he will continue to play to
his strength of doing nothing…and the 2015 roster is going to look very similar
to the 2014 roster with a few subtractions due to their only being 25 spots
available.
1B Lucas Duda
2B Daniel
Murphy
SS Wilmer
Flores
3B David
Wright
LF Matt den
Dekker
CF Juan
Lagares
RF Curtis
Granderson
C Travis d’Arnaud
C Anthony
Recker
IF Wilfredo
Tovar
IF Eric
Campbell
OF Kirk
Niewenhuis
OF Cesar
Puello
SP Matt
Harvey
SP Jacob de
Grom
SP Zack
Wheeler
SP Jon Niese
SP Bartolo
Colon
RP Jenrry Mejia
RP Jeurys
Familia
RP Vic Black
RP Rafael
Montero
RP Josh Edgin
RP Dana
Eveland
RP Carlos
Torres
Gone Ruben Tejada
(too expensive)
Gone Eric Young
(too expensive)
Gone Dillon Gee
(too right handed in the rotation, hence Niese stays)
Gone Buddy Carlyle (too
much of a fluke to repeat)
Gone Dario Alvarez
(old for AAA but never played there)
Gone Scott Rice
Do you see a trend here?
There’s not a single new face except for Cesar Puello getting an
undeserved promotion due to his minor league free agency pending status. Of course, they could throw in Josh Satin or
Andrew Brown as the righty, but I was banking on him being the minimum wage
pinch runner replacing Eric Young.
It would not surprise me in the least to see the in-house
options being the only options considered until/unless other clubs overwhelm
Alderson with offers as the Jays did for Dickey or the Giants did for
Beltran. The problem is that you’re not
dealing from strength here at the major league level. Your crown jewels are young pitchers and that’s
one commodity Alderson has never put on the trading block.
Your 2015 Mets are your 2014 Mets plus Harvey and with a
full year of Wilmer Flores at SS. Will
it be enough to reach .500?
Probably. Will it be enough to
contend? Probably not.
To quote you, Reese: "Will it be enough to reach .500? Probably. Will it be enough to contend? Probably not."
ReplyDeleteAre you right? Most probably.
Forrest Gump would say, "Cheap is as Cheap does"
ugh.....i hated that Collin McHugh trade.
ReplyDeleteI remember continuely saying that Collin McHugh was Dillon Gee 2.0 Same profile with better stuff.
I knew he would at least be a decent #4/strong #5.....I had no idea he would develop into a legitimate #3 SP
I had also become a fan of his for his insights in his blog:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.adayolderadaywiser.com/
He's a bit more introspective than a typical jock.
I agree with the assessment above, but would make one observation Reyes. Yes, he was leading the league in hitting, but he also ended up on the DL in July with a hammy, destroying his trade value and the fan base was ready to pounce on him for trading a home grown star leading in BA and not resigning him. Also on Colin McHugh, hard to kill him because he did not do well here and had an ERA of nearly 10 in CO before getting cut, so he was no guarantee and really came out of nowhere last year.
ReplyDeleteI am actually OK with the patience approach because I don't see anything available that is not a huge overpay and we already have two in Grandy and Wright. I think Gee starts the season with the Mets while they leave Harvey down in FL until May. Heaven forbid they compete for a WC and the issue of a Sept Harvey shutdown comes into play. The fans will go nuts (like Stras in DC) and Harvey's ego would go crazy.
Anon Joe F
I would think you could make Harvey, the fans, and the suits happy if you let him start on opening day and limited him to a strict top 6 innings per game.
ReplyDeleteReese—
ReplyDeleteI agree with your conclusions, “… fared poorly in the evaluation of major league talent, but gotten lucky or had good scouting on some valuable prospects he’s gotten in return in trades…” and “continue to play to his strength of doing nothing.” as I usually do.
I would only add that there was a tad of (bad) luck in the poor evaluations too; Ramirez & Torres faired a lot worse than could have been reasonably expected in the Pagan trade. And frankly I had less angst over the CY 1-yr deal than the Granderson 4-yr albatross.
All of which leads me to nod in agreement with your 2015 roster with some minor tweaking. I want to see Den Dekker & Puello get as many AB’s early as possible (in RF mainly…Granderson in LF) until we have confidence Nimmo can take over one of those slots.
And where is Bobby Parnell?
Like Joe F said, CO cut McHugh, so just think how they feel. At least we got what I think is a nice bench piece in EY. Nobody wins ‘em all. Alderson has not been inert nor has he done nothing, which you point out but still come to this odd conclusion. Don't get me wrong, I know what you're saying. He’s not Billy Beane either.
ReplyDeleteThe way I see it, the system is producing good ballplayers so why break that up. A Gold Glove CF. ROF pitcher. D’Arnaud is the real deal. Couple of pieces. Bring in the fence. I think they think they're contending and I agree. LGM
While I agree with the assessment of the past, I completely disagree with the prediction of the future.
ReplyDeleteLet's step back for a minute - when Sandy came in, the ML team was awful and our minor league system was a wreck.
Sandy came in with a plan - maybe even call it a vision - and it had multiple steps.
First, he would tread water at the ML level and rebuild the minor league system. This is done. Our system is now one of the top five in all of baseball and actually has too many pitching prospects to find a home for. Oh, it also is starting to get some position players close (Herrera, Nimmo, Reynolds at the top).
This first phase could not be accomplished by chasing tails and trying to hit continual moving targets of needs at the ML level.
We are moving into the second phase - the ML club right now is a .500 team (with a bounce back from Wright and Grandy, maybe a few games over .500). The bullpen is nearly completely set - the rotation has TOO MANY pitchers, and the line-up has really only 2 real holes.
So, now Sandy has the trade assets and (more importantly) the defined,limited ML needs to fill. I expect to see some action on his part that will (finally) impact the ML club.
And really, let's realize that losing Harvey for 2014 pushed this whole plan back a year - if Harvey is healthy, the $11 mm given to Colon could have gone to fill other holes, and frankly Harvey over Colon plus maybe a decent LF or SS and the 2014 Mets have a shot at the play-offs.
I don't know what Sandy will do - maybe he just signs Cuddyer to play LF/1b in a platoon with MDD and Duda - maybe he makes a big splash trade.
I don't think he knows yet - I think he will have targets and will see where he can get the best value for the organization in the long term.
@Hobie
ReplyDeleteSorry, I didn't clarify...I assume Parnell will start the year in extended spring training in Florida.
Ramirez looked like the real deal after a few consecutive successful years in SF. If that was the return alone for Pagan it would have been a fair trade but apparently the health vetting was not as extensive as it should have been. Torres was a warm body who never should have made it onto the field. He had one passable year in the majors. When the Mets obtained Johnny Estrada in a salary dump for Guillermo Mota they simply non-tendered him which would have been the smart move with Torres.
@Lew Rhodes There is nothing to suggest Alderson is an astute judge of major league talent. MAYBE they would deal for some ML-read AAA players who could help the OF offense (assuming Flores is handed the starting SS job) but you're not getting Joc Pederson for Dillon Gee or Daniel Murphy.