In November of 2012 at the GM meetings when asked about how
he planned to address the shortcomings in the green grass past the infield,
Sandy Alderson famously joked, “What outfield?”
At the time, considering he was sporting the likes of guys like Andrew
Brown and Collin Cowgill as part of his starting lineup, that quip, like most
humor, had an element of truth to it.
After Brodie Van Wagenen addressed some of the Mets’ glaring
weaknesses since taking over, including Edwin Diaz and Jeurys Familia in the
pen, Robinson Cano and Jed Lowrie on the infield and Wilson Ramos behind the
plate, I can’t help but echo Alderson’s 7 year old question.
Now, to be fair, unlike previous years you do have two solid
candidates for the outfield in Michael Conforto and Brandon Nimmo, both of whom
could be in the discussion for All-Star berths later in the year. It’s that third slot that’s bedeviling the
ballclub. The current strategy is hope
and wait for the addition of Yoenis Cespedes, but as we’ve seen for the last 7
years, hoping and waiting is not an effective means of transitioning a club
into contention.
In addition to these solid starters you have two suspect
players penciled in for some kind of role on the club in 2019. First there’s the case of Juan Lagares. His career batting average of .260 is not bad
– about league average – but he’s pretty much a one-trick-pony. (For reference Nimmo is .264 and Conforto is but .251).
Unlike the other two, however, he’s shown little in the way of power, only minor
flashes of speed, little on-base ability and a lot of strikeouts for a guy who
doesn’t produce runs. His calling card
has been and apparently always will be his defense which, save for his arm woes
post Gold Glove season, is among the best in the game.
Of course, no discussion of Juan Lagares is complete without
the frequent trips to the DL being a part of the narrative. His high water mark of ABs was 441 in 2015,
but it’s been downhill from there with the next three seasons of 142, 252 and
59. That’s 453 ABs over the course of
THREE SEASONS. Now many would say it’s
unfair to get upset with a player for injuries.
I agree. There have been a great
many far superior ballplayers like Moises Alou, Cliff Floyd, AJ Pollock, Grady
Sizemore and David Wright whose health betrayed their ability to produce on the
field.
Counting on Juan Lagares to be
healthy is foolhardy given the track record and his reckless abandon approach
to playing his CF position. However,
even if by some miracle he did stay healthy all year, let’s use his 2014 season
as a yardstick since that’s the one that cemented his now extremely overpriced
contract. That year he hit .281/4/47
with 13 SBs. That’s nice, for sure, but
is this lineup strong enough to absorb that kind of modest production?
BVW acquired Keon Broxton from the Brewers in a deal that
had many scratching their heads. There’s
no question he has more power and more speed than does Lagares. He has not had the injury bug bite him, so
that’s another check in the plus column.
However, his career batting average over parts of four seasons is just
.221. However, baseballreference.com
projects him to replicate that average but with 19 HRs, 46 RBIs and 29
SBs. Given that his defensive skills are
about a match for what Lagares offers, the minimum wage Broxton might be the
better bet of these two IF you are willing to accept a guy projected to strike
out over 170 times in the lineup every day.
You have a trio of converted infielders you could try out there -- Jeff McNeil, J.D. Davis and Dominic Smith. Learning to play at a Major League level is usually not the stuff of on-the-job training. Yet from what we read that's the plan.
You have a trio of converted infielders you could try out there -- Jeff McNeil, J.D. Davis and Dominic Smith. Learning to play at a Major League level is usually not the stuff of on-the-job training. Yet from what we read that's the plan.
It would seem to me that both Lagares and Broxton are better
served as 4th and 5th outfielders with stellar defensive
skills to complement whomever the starting three will be. However, I think the better approach would be
to lock up another outfielder on a one-year deal or expiring contract prior to
free agency. That way you have hedged
your bets against a Cespedes-less 2019 and not put league average hitters or
worse in your lineup 162 games per year or fielders who do their best Todd Hundley/Lucas Duda impressions.
I still feel McNeil will be fine in the OF...months to work on it...and a true athlete. My guess? He will be a better defensive OF than Conforto.
ReplyDeleteWe've long had flawed OFs in Metsville. Broxton is another one. A better defensive version of Kirk N.
I would not be heartbroken if Juan was the 4th OF...I just can't imagine he can't do what he needs to in order to stay healthy...free agency looming...hurt again and no one will want him. But a solid, healthy year? He might get $5 MM a year for two years. Stakes are higher for him to avoid another easily avoidable injury.
T.B.
ReplyDeleteI love Broxton's talent, upside and exuberance - and that Brodie traded for him. He's going to wow us as one of the better athletes the Mets have ever had.
Broxton is light years better than Kirk N.
Broxton with his elite speed and athleticism, gold glove caliber defense, bona fide stolen base threat, and proven big league power.
This spring training, Mets will work with him to reduce K's, use the whole field and have better plate approach. Chili Davis's philosophy emphasizing smart hitting and smart plate approach, making contact, using whole field and situational hitting should help him.
I agree McNeil's likely to handle the outfield well. His college coach recently addressed that with thumbs up and fine overall baseball instincts.
We have to wait and see what type of arm he'll display in outfield which requires a different arm slot than infielder. If he displays an average and accurate arm with quick release and good scooping on the run, and has outfield fundamentals down pat, he'll be fine.
R.K.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why you claim Mets are waiting on Cespedes and that Broxton is going to be full time starter - none of which is true.
The plan apparently is to play McNeil in outfield a lot. No doubt the Mets did their due diligence in making the determination McNeil will play a solid corner outfield.
As for adding another outfielder - that's just not feasible with 5 already on the projected 25-man roster unless the Mets trade Lagares and then add a CF with better health history. Broxton is out of options - but not out of upside and improvement at the plate. New team, new opportunities, new coaches.
The Alderson philosophy of high walks and high power while sacrificing avg proved a disaster.
ReplyDeleteIf Broxton can raise his avg, great.
If not, then he will just be a disappointment.
Adam Jones will be next up. I am guessing a $7 mil 1 year deal
ReplyDeleteLong Time Fan, great points on Broxton. Hope you are 100% right.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad to see that the writers here are generally appreciate of the work Brodie has done as the Mets GM, especially after the disastrous, do-nothing reign of Sandy Alderson. The record speaks for itself.
ReplyDeleteRegarding the outfield, in fairness, Brodie is in a tough position. I was hoping for Pollack, and like the way the Dodgers worked that contract, but with Cespedes waiting in the wings it makes things especially challenging.
But first, just to say that Brodie has accomplished so much, beginning with the brilliant trade with Seattle. The Diaz trade. The media and many bloggers see that as a deal for Cano -- and he's a big name, and will be a big help -- but Diaz was the masterstroke. Dumping Bruce, who seemed untradeable, was a huge plus. Swarzak, traded? Not an easy thing to do. My strong feeling is that Jay Bruce can no longer play a competent outfield, and to make matters worse, was blocking Alonso.
He's rebuilt the bullpen. For $5 million more, I would have loved for, say, Wilson to be more of a premier reliever. Britton money. But there are limits to working for the Wilpons. Which is why the trading of prospects was necessary. A deal Sandy would have never, ever done. The Mets were a bad team in need of a transfusion. You get talent by drafting, free agency, or trade. Draft is too slow and ownership was not going to spend big. The typical Sandy approach was never going to work. So Brodie made the painful decision to move two prospects, one who looks like he'll be a very good player. Ouch. But we live in the present, have Jake and Zack and Noah now.
We're stuck with Frazier for now. He's an insurance policy. We'll see how things go in March and April.
Back to the outfield: I'm glad that BvW appears to value defense and recognizes that neither Conforto or Nimmo are average defenders. For a limited time, a tandem of Lagares & Broxton in CF might be acceptable. Worth a shot. Also, McNeil will get ABs in a utility role. If he hits like crazy and fields decently, he'll get more. That's how it should work.
The outfield is a concern. So much depends on Conforto and Nimmo. If they are solid, supported by McNeil, with Yoenis in the wings, I think we can live GG defense in CF.
Calloway will be under the microscope this season. Every lineup will bring a chorus of complaint in the Metsblogosphere. I hope he has the touch. Riggleman may be important. BTW: How insane was it for Alderson to let Calloway come in with no coach with NL experience, no good bench coach? He just sat on his hands and let that happen.
Oh, last thing: One under-reported aspect of BvW's tenure has been the total housecleaning he did with upper management. Swept away Sandy's guys, brought in bonafide executives with proven track records. New guys making decisions, evaluating talent, leading the Mets.
I could not be happier that Alderson is gone.
Jimmy P
Good words Jimmy -
ReplyDeleteJimmy P, I echo Mack - great thoughts on the BVW Era so far, vs. the prior sputtering regime
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm called negative when I recite the disastrous Alderson regime :)
ReplyDeleteReese, with u it is somehow - I dunno - different!
ReplyDeleteBut u were correct - under Alderson, the sky was in fact falling
And he was too much of a little chicken to fix it.
ReplyDeleteJimmy P -
ReplyDeleteemail me at: macksmets@gmail.com
I want to ask you something.
Mack
Jimmy should start writing on the blog, IMO.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the OF is concerned, I am not counting on Cespedes, AT ALL for 2019. If he comes back, great....but I don't think he plays much of a role this year. I view him as trade bait next offseason to an AL club looking for someone to DH and occasionally play the OF (likely LF only).
Broxton is at least a depth player and he could be Lagares' replacement as soon as this year (trades depending), but his role is likely that of a 4th OF'er. I like the idea of McNeil getting some starts in the OF, but he is more Ben Zobrist then the answer to the OF puzzle, IMO.
So, yes Reese, I agree that we still have a hole in the lineup in the OF.
Aside from all we've discussed before, to me the key is finding ABs for McNeil until/unless he shows that last year was the 2nd coming of Mike Vail or Kirk N. And the IF is full, with Frazier, Lowrie, Rosario, Cano and Alonso.
ReplyDeleteIf you are ready to give up on McNeil push for a trade. Bit he's here, he's earned a full shot at playing every day , and that can only happen in the OF.
That's difficult enough if Lag shows in ST that he's healthy, but adding another full-time OFer shuts McNeil out completely.
Are you ready to do that? I'm not.
Good point, Bill.......I think Jeff will get 400 or so at bats as he gets moved around the diamond (LF, 3B, 2B). I think if the Mets add an OF'er, Frazier becomes the road block to McNeil more so then the new OF'er.
ReplyDeleteRemove Frazier from the equation and I think you have a nice rotation between Lowrie, McNeil and probably JD Davis.
The roster still seems a bit unbalanced, but perhaps Brodie is still tinkering.
ReplyDeleteWhen Flores signed last week, I watched the you tube clip of his walk off, post crying HR vs the Nats that seemed to ignite the 2015 run. Always fun to watch, however as always with you tube other things start to pop up to view and many were of the run Cespedes had in 2015. It's easy to forget what a force he can be, and deciding to have both heels operated on makes me think he will be back and sooner rather than later, maybe July. I like that the new regime is not saying anything about his recovery. Different than what we have heard the past few years about mis-diagnosed injuries, poor rehab, and non-sensical return time tables. BVW is staying quiet on Cespedes and hopefully we will all be surprised with a mid season return that truly makes this a deep lineup. And we should not forget that many of us have complained for years about poor defense up the middle, from SS, 2B, C, and CF. Not now, with Rosario and Cano, Ramos is an upgrade and let's not downplay the importance of having 2 potential gold glove CF's. This team is built on pitching, and that defense is going to be a huge upgrade.
Jeff, I hope you are right. A healthy Cespedes in mid July would be huge.
ReplyDeleteBill, there is no way that low K McNeil ever becomes high K Kirk. Hopefully not a Vail either. He had such a good year start-to-finish that it is very hard to believe he'll suddenly become a failure.
I agree, Tom, which is why signing another OFer to take away ABs from Jeff would not be a good idea.
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