SOME PLAYERS EXPERIENCE
THE DREADED DDD
I learned about depreciation in my Accounting classes in college back in the 1970s...truly exciting stuff.
Applying that accounting concept to baseball players can be illustrative.
Some players have years of strong success and only decline or depreciate late in career life.
Tom Seaver was an example of such a player. The great ones tend to stay great for very long periods.
Many solid but not great players depreciate sooner and at a fairly normal rate: perhaps several good years followed by age-related decline.
Then there are other players for whom the term “double declining depreciation” (DDD) is most applicable, characterized by brief, strong, young, early career performance followed by steep and swift decline.
Not too long ago, I was watching a 2006 Mets replay game where they mentioned the sudden departure of Victor Diaz. Diaz hit .294 in 51 at bats as a 22 year old, followed by hitting .258 with a .468 slugging % at age 23.
Who wouldn't think that was promising young performance. Maybe a useful, possibly strong player for years to come. Not.
The Dreaded DDD hit him hard. Over the next 2 seasons, he had 115 at bats, didn't hit great, and his MLB career never made it to age 26.
Timo Perez played in that 2006 game for the Cardinals. He had solid years with the Mets at ages 26 and 27 and did little thereafter. DDD.
Juan Lagares, considering his defensive acumen had very good years at ages 25 and 26...but sharply declined thereafter, with only about 700 subsequent at bats. His last season with any sort of at bat was at age 30 when, in 258 ABs, he hit .213.
Ike Davis had a fine rookie year, a finer second year start before a bizarre injury, then hit 32 HRs the next season after an agonizingly bad season start. Then he caught the DDD bug, and hit like crap in limited at bats over the next 4 seasons and was finished at 29.
Ruben Tejada hit .284 and .289 at ages 21 and 22. Impressive, considering that Jeff McNeil debuted at age 26. But his hitting nosedived into DDD territory after that, and his last MLB season with significant at bats (360) was at age 25. Where did the early promise go? DDD-down the drain.
Non-Mets also have encountered the career-killing DDD.
One non-Mets player who double-declined was Zoilo Versalles, who won the MVP in his mid-20's in 1965, then skidded, hitting .249, .200, and .196 the next 3 years, never remotely approaching that MVP season again. What the heck happened?
How about San Diego’s Nate Colbert? Playing in cavernous San Diego’s ballpark, he remarkably hit as many as 38 HRs twice by the age of 26. He then hit OK but with a lot less power at age 27 (.270, 22 HRs), and was frankly terrible thereafter hitting .198 in 494 at bats for the rest of his short remaining career, ending at age 30.
Billy Hamilton had solid, blazing seasons from ages 23 through 26, with 230 steals. Then DDD-declined rapidly, hitting just 4 for 32 at age 29 in 2020. Hard to think that he is not finito.
The Yanks’ Gary Sanchez was incredibly dangerous at ages 23 and 24, with 53 HRs and 132 ribbies in just 672 at bats, hitting .285. Hall of Fame trajectory? Not so fast. In the ensuing 2018-20 seasons, while continuing to smash a lot of HRs, he hit just .200. Head-scratching plunge.
Fellow catcher and briefly a Met, Devin Mesoraco, had a great All Star year at age 26, but hit under .220 in sporadic play over the next (and last) 4 seasons. Then he DDD-departed.
Now, the Mets have signed several players this off season who seem to be trending that "DDD-downhill-fast" way.
Mallex Smith hit .296 with 40 steals at age 25. Then dropped 70 points in 2019 and hit just .133 in 45 at bats at age 27. What happened?
Brandon Drury at ages 23 and 24 had an excellent 68 doubles and 29 HRs in 916 at bats, hitting .275. The next 3 seasons, in about 550 at bats, he hit only about .210. Huh?
Jose Peraza hit .324 in 2016 over half a season at age 22, and had 2 very solid years at ages 23-24. But then slid to .239 and .225 in 2019 and 2020. Que passa?
Jose Martinez hit .305 and .309 in 2017 and 2018, slipped to .269 the following year, and then hit .188 in around 90 at bats in 2020. Puzzling. Maybe he'll bounce back.
Double Decliners.
Can any of the latter 4 new DDD Mets listed just above, who have all had very successful past seasons, defy the double declining depreciation tables this year and bounce back? If so, we’d certainly appreciate it.
Question to you: who else fits into this "double declining" Mets category? (One non-Met who certainly does is the still-owed-many-millions Os' Chris Davis, who has hit(?) an incredibly low .169 in 829 ABs over the last 3 seasons).
Last thought: rumors circulated that the Mets might be considering acquiring Sonny Gray and Eugenio Suarez from the Reds. Huge power, with 98 HRs in 1,300 ABs over the past 3 years.
Yet, when I compared his last 3 years to those of Chris Davis over the same 3 same-age years, their numbers were similar. Davis had one more strong year after that, before the nose dive began.
Suarez's K rate has steadily climbed, and while his rate over the past 3 years was lower than that of Davis in the same time frame, it was still very high. To me, that is a big warning sign that the dreaded DDD may not be far off for Suarez. Were that to happen, buy with real caution and eyes wide open.
Tom. I agree. Steve Phillips on MLB Network Radio was pushing a Dom Smith for Suarez trade. No way would I make that deal.
ReplyDeleteAlso, using your argument above is why I would play Dom over Pete in 2021.
Mike Vail is my best example.
ReplyDeleteGregg Jeffries is another, although he may fall more into the category of promise not delivered like Shawn Abner, Lastings Milledge . . . .
As far as that crazy Phillips proposed swap, no, no, and no. Is he working for the Reds now?
ReplyDeleteI would consider that trade on a one for one scale. I know Suarez hit .202, but is he a .203 hitter? No. Just like Dom hit .313, but is he a .313 hitter? Suarez has much more power and plays a harder position to fill... I don’t know, but it isn’t terrible. Do the Reds have an extra CFer?
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of terrible, I had a thought last night: we all feel that Nimmo in CF and Smith in LF is the best lineup the Mets can put out there. What happens if Nimmo crashes into the wall and hurts his no self? Or, gets hit with a pitch and is out? Or, just needs a day off? I’m signing Jackie Bradley and letting whoever is left over be bench strength.
Reminds me of a line from the 70’s: “Bobby Mercer sits on the bench and personifies the Yankees awesome depth.”
Oh, for the record, I did a deeper dive into the best three free agent center fielders, Bradley, Pillar and Almora, and none of them thrill me.
ReplyDeleteHow about Carlos Baerga? Started out like a superstar, but throttled significantly downward thereafter.
ReplyDeleteJohn, I sure hope the DH is not dead for 2021. I do not want Dom and Pete vying for at bats. Both should definitely play every day. 150 extra base hits and 225 RBIs there.
One glaring point here: Pete should be able to play 3rd base. But apparently he is not nimble enough to do so. Darned shame. Harmon Killebrew played 1st and 3rd.
Remember 1969, I can't go with you on Jeffries. He never was a superstar, but a career .289 in 6,000 plate appearances is certainly solid.
Lol 1969 but he is doing some broadcast work for the Blue Jays.
ReplyDeleteA few years ago when A-Rod retired Steve was going on and on about how great A-Rod was on his show. I almost drove off the road but had to call him to ask him if A-Rod was so great why didn't he sign him when he had the chance - the call screener told me I was ignorant and hung up on me.
Gus - Almora has been going down hill each of the last three years both offensively and defensively
ReplyDeleteShawn Abner was doggie do - you need to first incline to then double decline.
ReplyDeleteMilledge also, to a lesser degree.
Vail is a very good one - he hit very well on a part time basis until he was 28. Age 29 on, he was awful.
Didn’t Vail get hurt on a sprinkler, or was that Elliot Maddox?
ReplyDeleteGus...Once they traded Staub to free up playing time for Vail, he dislocated his right foot playing basketball. At least he didn't go hang gliding.
ReplyDeleteMaddox got hurt on the sprinkler while playing for the Yankees then signed with the Mets as a free agent and sued the Mets for the injury.
ReplyDeleteHopefully Maddox lost that suit.
ReplyDeleteWow, my bad on Jeffries. I either didn't realize or forgot that he had a decent career after leaving the Mets. I sort of lost track of him I guess. Two all star games and a handful of MVP votes is a better career than most.
ReplyDeleteI just remember his rookie year - maybe his first game even, I don't know - but after he drove a double into the right field corner, Bob Murphy saying something like 'sign this kid up for the Hall of Fame now .. he is a top notch hitter'.
And yea, Abner and the others I qualified as promise not met. Fernando Martinez is another one in that club.
Fernando sadly had 70 year old knees.
ReplyDeleteAs I recall, Jefferies was baseball's minor league player of the year TWICE. Understandable that Murphy would say that. He never could live up to that.
Thanks Tom and John. My facts get a bit muddled as the years roll along.
ReplyDeleteI have a friend who made a great observation on Tejada. He was one of those guys who came in and basically got the most out of his talent from the beginning. But there was nowhere to go after that. He didn't power, didn't have speed, didn't have extraordinary quickness or really any tools to grow into. He was what he was from the beginning, give or take some BA fluctuations.
ReplyDeleteAfter Doc when 24-4, I remember Gibson said that it was probably the best he'll ever be. And that was shocking, because he was like 23 years old (or younger). But not everybody automatically gets better.
And in the case of someone like Vail, they just get exposed. Word gets around. Butch Huskey hit 24 HRs in his rookie year, I think. Everybody was like, he'll hit 30-35 next year! But he only had slider bat speed and the league figured it out.
On Martinez, that guy is a DH and he can flat out hit, I don't care what happened in 90 ABs in 2020. Can't field at all.
Jimmy
It’s why I want to cash in one of the two first basemen right now, because I have a hard time seeing upside. Great comment and point however.
ReplyDeleteLet's hope Pete didn't get "Huskeyed" last year. We don't need a repeat of 2019, but it would be nice if he can get close to that.
ReplyDeleteIf no DH, and a team is willing to overpay for Pete or Dom, I'd listen.
Funny, I saw Mets 2017 highlights for 2 minutes today, and Rosario was on, and he was talking to Dom Smith. Smith's pot belly was clearly evident. He turned it all around.
Dom had the problem with sleep apnea. It’s an insidious problem - you don’t think it’s that bad, but it makes fitness almost impossible.
ReplyDeleteIke Davis had another health issue that people couldn’t see, valley fever. It wasn’t like his ankle injury, which everyone could see (and was pretty horrific) but it sapped his fitness for years after he caught it.
Tejada - career ended (practically) by the criminal tackle by Utley. Would never have been Lindor, but would have been serviceable for years to come.
WinePaul - 3 very good points on Smith, Davis, and Tejada. I despise Utley for that reason.
ReplyDeleteThanks Tom. I think fitness has played bigger role in baseball than gets noticed, even by serious fans. One of the reasons I discount most of the stats from last season is the messed up schedule. Going into the restart, the players’ fitness was all over the place. I think that had a big effect on Alonso. He never looked quick, at the plate or in the field. Was he out of shape? No. Was he truly fit? I don’t think so. That was my call on Steven Matz, btw. I’m sorry to see him go. I really think he can get it back.
ReplyDeleteThe difference between success and failure in baseball is so small, I wonder how many more of those DDD guys above were done in by fitness issues we either discount or don’t know about.
WinePaul, Excellent additions to this post. You are right tho, that there is a fine line between performance at the top level and getting that thrown off.
ReplyDeleteI think there are a ton of factors that drive the difference between even good and very good. Look at Edwin Diaz between 2018 and 2019, and then 2019 and 2020.
Another thought along the same general lines, is the personal catcher that some pitchers want shows how fragile the mind is.
WinePaul. I also cut slack for those who struggled in 2020, but for those who excelled like Dom Smith, I think it was totally legit. I do not discount his stats. Unlike many, I think he is on the verge of greatness. Pete no doubt struggled for the points you raised, but also when you are just 20 games into a normal season you have 140 left to right the ship. He was pressing more because he had 40 games left and wanted to therefore right the ship IMMEDIATELY. That just added pressure.
ReplyDeleteBut in 2021, Alonso will view it as payback time.
I do, though, cut little slack for guys being out of shape. We all knew after baseball was suspended, that a return in mid 2020 was increasingly very likely. Knowing how critical being in shape was, no excuse to not be 98% or more of top shape.
Pitchers? Harder to stay sharp, but not impossible. I'd say pitchers' degree of challenge was greater.
On Matz, after his 11-1 career start, he was 20-35 before 2020, Then 2020 was awful for him. If the Mets were expecting to be a 70 win team, I would have kept him. But when you are contending, guys with such a long term record of failure I think contending teams need to avoid