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Sometimes, perspective helps.
The Mets have been an organization, since their inception, where offensive players don’t stay too long and where the team’s offense, more often than not, has been second rate.
So now they get Francisco Lindor, a 27 year old superstar talent.
What did he accomplish through his truncated 2020 (age 26) year?
190 doubles, which would have had him as 9th highest in Mets’ history. And if not for the shortened 60 games season, he would have been 5th all time.
138 HRs, 13 more than the current 7th best ever Met.
344 XBHs - just below 8th ranked Edgardo Alfonzo.
1,531 total bases - puts him just outside the Mets’ top 10.
A 78.6% career stolen base success rate - which would be # 7 on the Mets’ all time list.
Two different seasons with 82 and 81 XBHs - only Pete Alonso in 2019 (85) has had more in a single season.
129 runs scored in 2018 - 2 more than any other Met ever.
508 runs, just out of the Mets’ top 10. If not for the shortened season, he would have been 7th.
Offensive WAR 28.7 - better than the Mets’ all-time #6 "WAR-RIOR".
98 steals - just outside the Mets’ top 10.
All before he turned 27.
How’s THAT for perspective??
That’s how good...no, great...he is.
Sit back and enjoy.
I sure will.
Yes Tom Great is right. The only comparable Met was Beltran and I remember vividly first being shocked that we got him but then after my excitement barely settled in finding out he would have signed with the Evil Empire for less and it was a gut punch as we couldn't even really fully enjoy the moment. Hopefully the Lindor deal will be different even though Carlos was a very good player for us but it would have played better for me if I didn't know his real feelings.
ReplyDeleteGary, true. Lindor seems to generate more extra base hits than Beltran. If I had to choose one at the same age, I go with Lindor
ReplyDeleteTom,
ReplyDeleteI often like to see possibilities from a different perspective.
Is Lindor a superstar? yes, he is indeed but he will cost 300M to keep or more.
Read my option instead of making the Lindor trade the Mets could have sign:
Springer wants 150M. CF
DJ Lemaheiu wants 110. 3B
Hand wants 2 years so say 18M for 2 years. BP
3 holes closed for 278M.
What was to stop the Mets from asking the Indians about Carrasco after all that? Say Rosario and one of the pitching prospects traded to the Indians just for Carrasco.
Why would the Indians do that? because they could have just traded Lindor to the Blue Jays as rumored and have Rosario as the replacement plus a top 10 prospect, plus whatever prospects from the Lindor trade from the Blue Jays.
The Mets would have ended up with 4 players under control for a little bit over the estimated cost for just Lindor. Gimenez becomes the shortstop.
As it stands, only Carrasco is signed past 2021.
Viper
Viper, interesting perspective. But Lindor contract would cover 10(.( seasons, while the three you mention are also around 10 seasons total. I guess they are ascribing to the Superstar route. Gate attraction...
ReplyDeleteHere’s what I’d love to see the Mets so.
ReplyDeleteSign DJ away from the yanks (that’s just a bonus and put him at 3rd (5yr / 100 mil. Give him 10 mil buyout as part of a 29 million dollar option if needed. Spreading it out this way keeps the AAV at or below 29 mil for LT calculations).
Extend Lindor. 10 years 300 million
Trade JD Davis and a prospect or 2 for Kevin Keirnaier. Between him, lindor McCann up the middle and everyone else playing in a better position for their skill set the Mets defense will be amazing.
Trade away familia to the rays as well. They take on his salary but we pay them 10 mil to cover it. Basically take him on to reduce the salary cap. This move Should make the trade for Keirnaier LT tax neutral or close to it.
At this point we’d be at cap or very close to it. If I had a little more room to play with the numbers I’d get brad hand. He wants a 2 year deal so maybe give it to him but at a lower AVV.
I’d also sign gio Gonzales for depth. What a team this would be!
Dan B, fascinating ideas. Strengthened defense and a hitting machine team.
ReplyDeleteRemember, if you want Hand, you can trade Matz or release him - that would save $5MM. My favorite Matz # is 20-40 in his last 60 decisions. Can he be fixed? Maybe in another city. ny? nOT SO SURE.
Agreed Tom. Would be fine letting Matz go. Pile up 2-3 SPs on minor league deals and one should be able to stick as a number 5 or effective replacement until Thor gets back
DeleteA few interesting ideas here, but I think I am in a different boat than either Dan or Tom.
ReplyDeleteI think LeMahieu would be a disaster signing, especially for third base. Davis will give you a lot more. I am really scared of LeMahieu's splits, his age, and his fielding trends.
Kiermaier is not the right guy for centerfield. The guy just doesn't hit well enough.
I am not a Gio fan . . I guess he pitched OK for Milwaukee in 2018 and 2019, but was a disaster last year with a whip of 1.863 (40 hits and 19 walks in 31.2 innings). He is also 35 years old.
As far as Steven Matz goes, I know Tom doesn't see much positive there, but I really hope they don't just dump him. He is my bounce back candidate for 2021. I think McCann can bring out the best in him. I predict he will provide a very solid back end of rotation performance. I really believe Matz had a Ramos problem.
A little unrelated, but since I offered a bounce back candidate, I'll also offer a breakout candidate: My prediction is that Sam McWilliams will be the 2021 version of the 2019 J.D. Davis.
I guess we'll see.
Dan - maybe so - if this team is going to win in the mid to high 90s, we need a .500 or better pitcher at SP 5.
ReplyDeleteRemember 1969, I hope you are right about Matz. SHORT leash, though. Do you realize that over that 20-40 Matz span, Steve, Sewald, and Bashlor were 21-61? That's 1962 Mets stuff. This team needs to excise this Wilpon tolerance for failure. We need all competent guys, or a quick replacement strategy - nice guys finish last.
ReplyDeleteMcWilliams could be real interesting. I did an article a while ago on how different Andrew Miller was in the pen vs. as a starter. Maybe Sam can figure that out.
I also have a 9:30 article tomorrow on CF worth considering.
ReplyDeleteYea, my positive vibes on Matz are based on a couple things:
ReplyDelete* His existing relationship with McCann - they have been working out in the off season for three years in the Nashville area. McCann has seen him throw and knows his pitches.
* Ramos was notoriously bad at framing and not being 'with' the pitcher.
* Matz is a fly ball pitcher, and he had horrible defenses behind him. He seemed to get a lot of 2 strike counts on hitters then got 'too good' trying for the strikeout, throwing pitches down the middle to be crushed. With a better outfield defense, he should not be so concerned about contact.
Not much more than that, but he does have a live arm and still some promise.