As Mets fans we’re never satisfied with the transactions made by the front office. They went too far or they didn’t go far enough. They mortgaged the future and they are taking their chances on short term rentals who will leave or bankrupt the team’s payroll to try to keep them around.
Well, in the midst of the back and forth on the acquisition of Javy Baez from the apparently AAAA team on the north side of Chicago who have committed the ultimate purge and destroy campaign to set them back for several years, the Mets fans can’t really complain that Zack Scott did nothing. With the oblique injury to Francisco Lindor needing probably another month or so to heal, they went out and got a major RBI bat in Baez who also can deliver Gold Glove caliber defense. That’s a nice way to help the ballclub address one of its fundamental needs.
Now to make this deal the Mets had to give up a crown jewel of their minor league system, youngster Pete Crow-Armstrong who is most definitely a highly regarded future major leaguer who was taken in the first round in 2020. How good he will or won’t be has to do with both his natural progression up the ladder as well as his ability to recover from the shoulder surgery that terminated his rookie minor league season quite early. He was a stiff price to pay, but in a way it was a better one than giving up one of the few minor league arms who might someday help win some games like J.T. Ginn.
Lost somewhat in this deal was the other player the Mets obtained, pitcher Trevor Williams. Unlike Baez, he’s essentially a longer term solution who is under contract for the end of this year and for 2022, not hitting free agency until 2023. On the surface that sounds pretty good until you start to dig a bit into the numbers.
For nearly his entire career Williams has been a starting pitcher for both the Pittsburgh Pirates and later the Chicago Cubs. The crown jewel of his pitching was the 2018 season for the Bucs during which he managed to finish with a 14-10 record, a very nice 3.11 ERA and kept runners off base. For a big guy (6’3” and 235 pounds) he’s not a strikeout artist. In that very fine season he only averaged 6.6 strikeouts per 9 IP.
If you look at the rest of his major league numbers, it would seem when the K’s go up, the rest of his game tends to falter. This season, for example, he’s fanning better than 1 per inning, yet his record is just 4-2 with an unsightly 5.06 ERA over a dozen starts. That level of pitching is more typical of what to expect from him, with a 162 game average of 11-12 with a 4.48 ERA and more hits than innings pitched.
Although the Mets are fully staffed on the mound with Carlos Carrasco, Marcus Stroman, Tylor Megill, Rich Hill and Taijuan Walker, it’s the latter who is a heavy concern for the team having gone three straight awful post-All Star appearances. Some say it’s a matter of fatigue given how little he’s pitched over the past few years. Others think it’s the league adjusting to him despite the pre-All Star 2.50 ERA. Having a Trevor Williams as a spare starting pitcher may help give the club the option to sit Walker for some rest and recovery time.
On the same day the Mets executed this deal they also learned that Jacob deGrom will be shut down for several weeks after experiencing more pain. While none of these pitchers will replace a two-time Cy Young Award winner, the fact is that they are skating on much thinner ice pitching-wise than they were a few days ago when everyone thought deGrom would be back in early August. Like Rich Hill before him, Trevor Williams is an inexpensive and healthy $2.5 million pitcher who might not get folks excited, but he’s certainly better than the scrap heap picks the club has in Syracuse to start ballgames.
So overall if you ask me whether or not the Mets paid too little or too much to get both Baez and Williams to Citifield, I’d have to swallow hard and say that the price was probably just right. The Mets had needs that had to be addressed and while you could argue all day long about other packages bandied about such as Trevor Story and Jon Gray, they got pieces who should help reinforce the team while giving up a very young and unproven player. Pete Crow-Armstrong could turn out to be the second coming of Curtis Granderson or he could become the next Matt den Dekker. Regardless of how his future turns out, you have to give to get. I’d give Zack Scott a B+ for this move. That’s well above average.
Reese, I can live with a B+ for that deal. But he gets an F for not bringing in another really good arm. In the best case scenario, Jake was going to be fragile but healthy. His absence is devastating without a quality replacement. Meanwhile, the Dodgers got Duffy and Scherzer. They get an A++
ReplyDeleteKnowing that the Mets knew about DeGrom's injury 2 hours before the trade deadline, do you think they should've gone all-in and made the trade for Berrios? Team Chemistry is great but wins are even better!!
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, definitely
DeleteI'm getting up there.
ReplyDeleteI would like to see the Mets even just play in the World Series again, no less win it,
Trading a chip that is 4/5 years away due to a combination of lack of experience, age, and year ending surgery that will take him time to head NEXT YEAR... for an all-star infielder that walks in one home run behind Pete, plus the RBI leader of the team... AND... stellar defense...
And they throw in a pitcher to boot...
I think we did very well here.
However...
knowing 4 hrs. before the deadline that your Cy Young pitcher was not going to be back until earliest September and not being able to create a trade for a decent starter... even if we had to throw in more than we wanted... now THAT screams of Wilpin-like behavior.
Mack - 100% spot on. Dodgers got Scherzer and Duffy. We got...Williams. Really? Unless Josh Walker is ready to be Megill II, which is unlikely. there is NO MORE PITCHING SAFETY NET in the Mets minors. NO ONE to call up. Name me one. Just one. Can't.
ReplyDeleteTimidity reigns in Queens, when results should instead.
Williams.is "an innings eater"
DeleteNice language for "he sucks".
Man you said it
ReplyDeleteWe are never happy but I am not happy the other way… we have up a guy who could be a 10 year answer to a position we haven’t been able to find since Beltran. Sounds familiar (kelenic?)
And all we got was a 2 month rental who is leading the league in strikes outs and top 10 in lowest obp?
And a minor league pitcher who is in AAA already?
How can I be happy today? And then I hear the Cubs are paying most of the salary?
So where is this financial strength we possess under Cohen
If we would have recieve Turner he would have at least been under control for next year
The dodger payroll is now up to 280 million
But this is our version of going for it?
All we needed to do was sign more at free agency
(Last year springer / hand) would have put us at least 5 games further up… (I do not believe injuries happen the same if they are on our team
Our current team does not stack up
The Yankees acquire Gallo for thier 14,16 th prospects but we need to surrender out 5th ?
Yeah Reese me personally not happy
I give this trade a D.
ReplyDeleteNot a fan of Baez all-or-nothing game, don't love low OBP guys. 36% K rate is not good baseball. And when Lindor comes back, we'll only end up benching a superior bat for Baez.
The team's big problem offensively has been in RF, and the team's lack of a quality RH-bat to play the outfield. Conforto has killed the Mets with his performance so far, much worse than McKinney who got DFA's (for reference).
Mets needed pitching. Got one guy who isn't good.
And I think Pete Crow-Armstrong is going to be a great defensive CF.
Trade didn't address need, which remains my primary complaint.
Can it still work out?
I guess, maybe.
On the positive side. They knew Jake wasn't going to be pitching. Might be out for the year. Without him, the Mets aren't going anywhere -- almost certainly -- so it was good that they didn't squander more prospects for a year where a WS doesn't seem in the cards. Glad they didn't go "all in."
If Braves or Phils make a run, we are in trouble. But they might not.
Anything can happen. You never know. But today I don't see the Mets as a significantly improved team.
Jimmy
Unlike others here, I don't fault Mets for being "too timid." Because the answer to that would have meant trading Alvarez or Baty or Mauricio or Ginn -- probably two of those guys.
ReplyDeleteI don't think this was the season, without Jake, where I push all those chips into the center of the table.
But I'd hope for more supporting pieces that would address need, the way the Braves did it.
Jimmy
Thought:
ReplyDeleteI feel like the Mets just traded for Juan Samuel.
Jimmy
Better glove than Samuel - and he is not playing out of position. He is hitting .276 with RISP - we need that. Would have preferred an OF - but Baez is an improvement.
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