To hear a great many Mets fans grousing about what the team needs to do to improve the pitching, you hear a common thread. "Hey! There are some great free agents available this year. Cohen's got the money to spend. F*** the salary cap! Just go for it."
Of course, you could take that same sentiment and apply it to infielders, catchers and outfielders, too. It's the spend-your-way-to-success formula that people think is a sure thing. (May I introduce Francisco Lindor to you, folks...)
If you take a look at the top tier of free agent starting pitchers, you are indeed looking at some truly interesting folks and some real eye popping names. The question is whether or not any of them would be appropriate investments for the Mets.
Decent Pitchers in Free Agency
Current lefty Cy Young Award contender Robbie Ray is going to generate a lot of the "Get him!" demands from Mets fans, but look a little deeper at his record and it would seem you'd be overpaying for one of only two notable seasons in his eight year career. There's no taking away from what he accomplished in 2021 with a 13-7 record, a 2.84 ERA and a WHIP just a tick over 1.00. He struck out 248 people and owned a 4.77 strikeout to walk ratio. However, if you look more closely at his career he averages 11-10 and 4.00 with a 30% higher WHIP. He'll get big money for sure, but it may not be worth banking on a guy who 75% of the time was not a top notch talent. He got $8 million for this past season's work and surely will be seeking to double that number or more. I'd say no.
Kevin Gausman also is hot on many folks' radars but his career is scarily similar to Robbie Ray. He's a year older and has bounced around between Baltimore, Atlanta, Cincinnati and San Francisco. This past season he was on top of his game with a 14-6 record, a 2.81 ERA, a WHIP slightly north of 1.000 and a 4.54 strikeout to walk ratio (which earned him an All Star berth). However, he's only ever had one other truly notable half-season after a mid-year stint on the Braves. For his career he's averaging a 10-11 record, a 4.02 ERA and a WHIP of 1.282. That's not bad for back-of-the-rotation stuff but he's going to be looking for front of the rotation money. He earned $18.9 million this past season for the Giants and will want a bump and a long term deal. For what he's produced in his career I'd look elsewhere.
During the Sandy Alderson regime the Mets have been enamored with reunions and one is most definitely available with Steve Matz becoming a free agent. He had a stronger start than finish for the Blue Jays this year, but overall his numbers were pretty good. He went 14-7 with a 3.82 ERA. Those numbers would be 3rd through 5th starter appropriate, but remember that he's had issues with both capability and health throughout his career. The 30 year old averages an 11-12 record with a 4.24 ERA. This past year he earned $5.2 million and will be looking to at least double that number. I'd pass.
Eye Popping Pitchers in Free Agency
There's a guy available in free agency this year who for his career has a better ERA than Jacob deGrom's 2.50. Clayton Kershaw is surely on a Cooperstown path and at age 33 he's likely got 3-5 good years left in him. He has had issues with health over the past few seasons and he's coming off a $31 million salary. Despite the reservations about his health, his age and track record of 8 All Star appearances, 3 Cy Young Awards and an MVP will pretty much guarantee not only will he match this salary but might even exceed it. There's a lot of risk here and the duration required doesn't strike me as a solid business investment despite the otherworldly quality.
Following not far behind is former Diamondback, Tiger, National and Dodger, Max Scherzer. He too sports amazing stats for his career, including 8 All Star appearances and 3 Cy Young Awards. For his career he's got a 3.16 ERA which reflects his long ago Arizona and Detroit days. Since then he's been 99-47 with a 2.75 ERA and a WHIP under 1.000. He earned $34.5 million last year and was worth every penny. Going into his age 37 season with good health and coming off a 15-4 record with a 2.49 ERA he's going to command probably a 3-year deal worth $100 million. I'd be more inclined to say yes here than I would on the sore-armed Kershaw.
The third stellar pitcher available to the highest bidder is Justin Verlander. He's spent his long career with Detroit and Houston while sporting a glowing 226-129 record with a 3.33 ERA. He's also an 8-time All Star with two Cy Young Awards, an MVP and a Rookie of the Year on his mantle. He's really not pitched since 2020 except for a single start in 2020 and right now represents an injury risk coming into his age 39 season after missing most of 2020 and all of 2021 due to Tommy John Surgery. In his last season he was paid $33 million but this time around I would think he's due for a significant drop in pay since no one knows what he is capable of doing and whether he'll even be ready for opening day. Here it would be interesting to propose a significantly discounted paycheck of say $15 million with a games-played or innings-pitched incentive that could boost it by as much as $7.5 million. This kind of gamble might be worth taking as it would likely be a bridge-the-gap one year deal.
For the money, isn't there two pitchers available (maybe available depending on accepting/npt accepting the qualifying offer) that make more sense than this listing? Both have pitched in NY with relatively good success
ReplyDeleteThor and Stroman make a ton of sense - I agree that they should be brought back to go along with Taijuan Walker and deGrom.
ReplyDeleteI still like getting Verlander, Kershaw, and Scherzer too. Not all of these guys will give you 200 innings - maybe you could even have a 7 man rotation with Megill, Peterson, Oller and Josh Walker in the minors. That would be amazing and 4 future Hall of Famers on one staff. Probably not realistic but hey the hot stove is all fantasy anyway.
I'd onclude Hill in there, too. He wants to return, would not cost too much in years or $$$, and can be counted on for 5 good IP to start or even a shift to the pen as #2 LHRP.
DeleteI don't want to lose draft picks period and agree to promote from within. Those that don't have QOers that I'd be interested in are Wood, Rodon and DeSclafani. Lets start being smart about this process and if I wasn't clear enough before I DON'T WANT TO LOSE DRAFT PICKS!!!
ReplyDeleteI will save my proposal for tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteJohn, that would be great. Even though there would tones of questions, I think…
ReplyDelete- Scherzer doesn’t want to come
- How close is Verlander? I would take him no matter the age.
- I wanted Kershaw all along because he is a lefty.
There will be 28 teams in on Stroman, making it possible for one fool to overpay. Hopefully it isn’t the Mets. I don’t see Stroman being worth the money he thinks he’s worth based on the results he brings back. Also, his ERA ticked up to its normal area little at a time each month of the season, starting at 1.84 and 2.04 and reaching 3.60 and 3.95. That is the real Stroman…
Gus - agree. We should not overpay for anyone.
ReplyDeleteGary - Mets need to keep all pics.
If you could get Stroman for Wheeler money would you? I would.
Stro is a goner.
ReplyDeleteSP 1. JAKE
SP 2 THOR
SP 3 WALKER
SP 4. MCGILL
SP 5. PETERSON
Sped new money on QOs , new contracts to Baez, Loup, Nimmo, Pete, a new outfielder.
The Mets are better off extending a QO to Syndergaard and trying to bring back Strowman.
ReplyDeleteFree Agency opened yesterday Nov. 7, and not one team has signed one player? Even their own FAs. How is that possible?
ReplyDeleteStrike looming
DeleteReese:
ReplyDeleteGood article. The one area I feel that the NYM management really, really need to look at much harder and longer is individual pitchers that they may be interested in from other teams medical history. I think that Jake, Noah, Taijuan, and probably Tyler are pretty much automatic for 2022 barring ST injuries and such. However, only Tyler was unaffected by arm issues in'22. This has to be clearly understood going forward. It's like the Dodgers not offering Kershaw an offer recently, making Clayton a FA. I would stay clear of such older starters based solely on his recent arm difficulties. Sure, we all love their career record of accomplishments. But one has to realize that they are no longer that starter and older now.
Senor Mack in his post above suggests lefty David Peterson as the fifth NYM starter. But this is premature at best because his 2021 was not a stable one anyone could gauge things by. I think instead, that the Mets need to acquire a really good lefty starter (Carlos Rodon being my favorite idea here) as the rotation's number two starter. This would give right handed separation between Jake and Noah) and in the event that Jake or Noah were go down hurt again in 2022, that the NYM will still have a valid chance to compete for the '22 playoffs. If the NYM were to go with a very similarly constructed five man rotation as '21, it could end up in a most similar fix.
Robbie Ray may be overrated and too costly to obtain, I concur, but is there anyone here that does not think that the NYM will need to have on their active roster at least a sixth, seventh, and probably an eighth starter ready to go in 2022. History dictates such things often I believe. So with this in mind those designated three would serve as middle relief or setup relievers and provide fill-in starting duty until an opening may occur, thus keeping all three skill sharpened.
Steven Matz is interesting especially after his favorable 2021 season. My only question with him is why did it take a trade away from the NYM in order for him to realize some of his potential? If at the right price though, I might consider him for here in '22 as one of those three middle relievers at first to see how he re-adjusts once back here.
With Matz, my guy inclination here was that he was always behind three better starters, namely Jake, Zachary, and Noah. His personal best had not yet been established here, despite a good first season. Some players want to be that number one guy, but for Steven it was not there to attain.
Can he get past this if true?
The NYM Salary Budget
ReplyDeleteI too think that Scott Boras will want a three year deal for Michael Conforto, especially because of Michael's illness in 2021. But it will be a large sized contract and with Michael's 2022 season of discontent (Covid19 and statistically) I personally would not suggest biting on this for here.
I have "often" repeated my thoughts here on the starting field players that I would like the most for the 2022 season. It is about balance and giving start to the organization's top three players right now from their MiLB, namely 1. Mark Vientos (3B), Khalil Lee (CF or RF), and Francisco Alvarez (C). If you go just a few years back here, the Mets had a really good nucleus of homegrown MiLB developed players. They had the talent and the chemistry to match. But it got disbanded by trades and acquisitions. So yeah, now I feel that it is a perfect time to get this ball rolling again with the next wave, which later on will probably include Brett Baty and maybe a middle infielder as well. There is not time like the present.
Many will probably contend that Francisco Alvarez may not be entirely ready for here in '22, and may need 1-2 more MiLB seasons in order to be. I understand this, it is a valid concern for most fans. However, will it really hurt anything if Alvarez were to be extended a ST invitation this season? I think not. He may be a more natural catcher than anyone one of us could have imagined, and his offense leans towards being sensational by every scouts description. At "worst case scenario" it would probably boost his self confidence for later on when the whole world will finally think that he is ready for MLB. But I still would take this shot and see with Alvarez this ST, because we have no catchers here now at this MLB level who can guarantee even the team a .260 BA in 2022.
Mack Ade said... Strike looming
ReplyDeleteYou're going to have to explain that, Mack.
R U saying that, because of the expiring CBA,
that no one will sign any of the FAs that
their teams need for next season. The
vast majority of players are already signed
for next season...why would anyone hold off on a FA?
You're probably right.
DeleteA few things . . No to any pitcher with a Q.O. (Sorry Robby Ray, sorry Justin Verlander) No to any pitcher > 32 years old (Sorry Max Schertzer, sorry Clayton Kershaw . btw, how is it possible that he is not even 34 years old yet? Seems like he has been pitching since I was in 7th grade).
ReplyDeleteThor accepting a Q.O. is #1 target. I like the idea of Stroman for Wheeler type money. I like filling in a lefty (Rodon or Alex Wood). Or to shop on the top shelf of the non-Q.O. guys, I would not be disappointed in a strong run for Jon Gray.
I do think the pending expiration of the CBA and unknowns around that will slow the free agent market a bit, mostly from the owner side.