When a ballclub goes from identifying a list of needs, then reaches into the bag of weaknesses to address these needs, at best it makes you scratch your head. At worst, you consider what the return is and it's clearly in your favor, then you accept it as doing what needs to be done.
In the Mets universe, however, neither of these scenarios appears to be head on what happened between New York and Pittsburgh. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that the team is struggling at the DH position to provide enough offense to help with scoring runs and winning games. No one is arguing that point. With Dom Smith and JD Davis being the primary occupants of the Designated Hitter role, their aggregate total of 309 ABs compares more-or-less on point with the 354 accumulated by regular Pete Alonso. We won't try to assess how much they're producing against the Polar Bear. Let's instead just add their numbers.
In these 309 ABs the two have combined for 3 HRs and 42 RBIs. Surprisingly the RBI number is not awful considering doubling it would lead to 84 for the season. However, it also means accepting that the aggregate total of 68 hits in those 309 ABs would mean a batting average out of that DH slot of just .220. That's not good. So it would seem a known slugger with markedly better numbers would make sense, right?
Well, the player they chose to add to this mix is Daniel Vogelbach, a Bartolo Colonesque power hitter who appears to have some nasty left/right splits depending on which type of pitcher he's facing. Overall he is hitting .229 with 12 HRs and 32 RBIs. That's not great, but to be fair he did that in just 240 ABs. If we increased his output by 50% to be right on par with the number of chances Pete Alonso has had, that would keep the same mediocre batting average but the run production numbers would rise to 18 HRs and 48 RBIs. The home run production is definitely up over the pair of Davis and Smith while the RBIs show a slight uptick. Overall it doesn't appear that two bad-2022 hitters are much worse off than one bad 2022 hitter.
Now comes the hard part. To get the career .213 hitting Vogelbach the Mets gave up one of their more dependable relief pitchers in Colin Holderman. The 26 year old was a bit late to make his rookie debut in the majors, but he was sporting a 4-0 record, a 2.04 ERA, striking out over 1 per inning pitched and showing a WHIP of just a hair over 1 runner per inning. After missing two full seasons due to injury and the 2020 minor league shutdown, Holderman was making a steady improvement in his pitching numbers as he worked his way up the ladder. Given the state of the New York Mets bullpen, it would seem odd to hand select the second best reliever after Edwin Diaz as the price to pay for big Daniel Vogelbach.
So if they didn't get a huge improvement in the DH production and weakened an already vulnerable bullpen by losing out on Holderman, you really do suspect you might start bleeding from the intensity of the head scratching this transaction generated. Now there are a few ways to play this thinking to rationalize it. Yes, Vogelbach way back in 2019 had a 30 HR season for the Mariners and made the All Star team. Since then, however, he's accumulated more that 100 additional ABs over that 2019 season yet manifested fewer HRs. He does not strike out in gargantuan numbers by today's standards and does seem to know how to take walks. That's still a lot of potential you're putting on a well traveled and obese DH candidate.
Apparently Vogelbach is complete toast when it comes to facing southpaws who take advantage of the left handed challenge he presents in the batter's box. So the other thought process struggling to make its way to the surface is that the Mets are thinking of him as a replacement for Dom Smith on the left handed side of the DH hitting equation only, but right handed hitting would go to someone else. It could be JD Davis or it could be someone else.
For now, however, it seems as if Billy Eppler's work is far from complete. While the stories are rife with the Mets being in the Juan Soto trade sweepstakes or landing another bigger name bat like Josh Bell or Nelson Cruz, the fact is that the club seems right now weaker by what they did, not stronger.
Wow, you really have to ignore or misrepresent a lot of info to make this argument.
ReplyDeleteLook at Vogelbach's numbers. He should never hit against LHP and for the Mets, he won't.
Against RHP, he's a .900 OPB bat. It's like adding Pete Alonso to your lineup -- in a spot formerly occupied by Dom Smith.
On a team that has been floundering to score runs.
He'll help, a lot.
I loved Holderman. But May is coming back, Megill will -- we hope -- be back. Maybe Peterson joins the pen. And the general word is that a variety of relievers are available on the marketplace.
The Mets absolutely had to address power and offense, and in this one move they made steps in that direction at a relatively low cost.
Holderman has thrown 15 ML innings and already come up with a sore shoulder. Again, I like him a lot. But he can be much more easily replaced.
Jimmy
Well, misrepresentation goes both ways :)
ReplyDeleteIf you go by sheer numbers he's contributed already. Today he made an easy out. No one is perfect on the field but unless he's ready to accept a platoon role at best, then he's not a long term solution. Besides, as it stands right now his platoon partner from the other side is JD Davis who has not rediscovered his power and is hitting under .240.
I don't see that I've twisted or misrepresented anything. Holderman is a late arrival to the majors but started off well. The rest of the bullpen has not been good. So weakening your already questionable bullpen to get a .213 hitter to improve the offense isn't necessary a no-brainer in understanding how this move improves the team.
Eppler told us his thought process when he made the trade. Pitching would be easier to obtain than additional bats. I think it says two other things. Firstly, it's over for Dom here. He's like the 4th or 5th WR who can't play special teams, he just doesn't give you enough value to be an effective bench piece. Secondly, this is about 2022, and obviously they didn't feel Holderman would be a difference maker in these playoffs. He's a fine pitcher, who is already 26 and is replaceable. I think fans are upset about this more because of Dom then because they traded Holderman. Personally, I'd rather have Vogalbach in that spot because of his power.
ReplyDeleteI caution anyone to sample the batter before the cookies are baked.
ReplyDeleteThis move was the first but won't be the last this trading season.
That is why I characterized it as unfinished business. You know this can't possibly be everything up Eppler's sleeve.
ReplyDeleteReese, your headline says the trade made the Mets weaker.
ReplyDeleteThen you used Vogelbach's overall stats rather than his splits, which is why the Mets made the move in the first place.
He mashes RHP and can't touch LHP.
Look at the numbers.
If he hits like his track record, the fans will love him. He's our Clendenon. Also, only makes $1.5 million and Mets retain him for next season. A very smart move.
A crap team like the Pirates will use a guy like Vogelbach inappropriately because they've got no one else. His numbers get killed by all the ABs vs. LHP. When used correctly, when seen correctly, he's clearly a big time threat against RHP. Again: He's like adding another Pete to the lineup.
As far as JD, that's a different issue. More to come. Might be Mancini.
The trade I really, really want is Contreras, badly, and Robertson, hopefully. For that package, I'd give up ONE of Mauricio/Vientos and some lower prospect, and try like hell to get them to take Dom.
Jimmy
Clearly, Eppler is not done. Let's see what the team looks like next week before making any judgement calls.
ReplyDeleteJimmy makes an interesting point: Vientos and Dom should be an acceptable return for Robertson and Contreras. Still, I’d prefer to hold onto Smith than sell this low on him, but…. He only has a couple of years of control anyway. If Chicago is holding out for Ramirez, give them the finger. Tell them to enjoy Armstrong. Call the Reds on Barnhardt.
ReplyDeleteI will miss Holderman. He really came into his own this year, beginning in spring training and I was rooting for him to become a valuable piece of the bullpen. Now he may become a valuable piece of someone else's bullpen.
ReplyDeleteVogelbach seems to be generating alot of love/hate comments. I am happy to wait and see. If he crushes righties and the Mets pick up someone to handle lefties, then he can be valuable in a DH/PH role. The Mets have good defensive talent on the bench (Guillorme, Jankowski) plus the versatility of McNeil and Canha so using Vogelbach as a late inning PH for power then inserting defense would make good sense.
Jimmy's point about Megill and Peterson and May is very good - maybe Holderman was a reasonable piece to trade for that flexibility.
It wouldn't hurt for Vogy to push away from the buffet table and I wonder if he lost 50 lbs or so how much better he would be. I can't remember a player looking as out of shape as he does. I would also think clubs would have a weight clause in his contract but it doesn't appear as if that's so. Anyway hit away young man.
ReplyDeleteWe have Edwin - part Equalizer, part Terminator. MVP.
ReplyDeleteHolderman has thrown 15 ML innings and already come up with a sore shoulder. Again, I like him a lot. But he can be much more easily replaced.
ReplyDeleteAgain, Vogelbach (weight and all) against RHP: .264/.374/.528 for an OPS of .906.
ReplyDeleteYou've just added another Pete Alonso to the lineup. And you retain him for next season for $1.5 million. His teammates know and respect him.
What's the problem?
Jimmy