We already discussed the prospect of the Mets trading away Pete Alonso during this offseason to net a haul rather than risk losing him for draft pick compensation in his free agent walk when the 2024 season ends. Today let's look at the other side of the equation and try to ascertain what it would take to sign Alonso to a long term deal.
The first question people need to assess is whether Pete Alonso is a modern day Carlos Delgado with a bit more power and a bit more RBI capability while hitting in the .265 range, or is he more of a grander and powerful all-or-nothing Dave Kingman. Which belief you have dictates how much money you think he's worth.
Now money is a subject that is still a bit hard to understand given the depth of the Steve Cohen coffers. Obviously he is capable of spending for whomever he wants at rates above and beyond what the market might otherwise dictate. However, as 2023 proved, spending big doesn't equate with winning big. So what is Alonso's true worth?
If you go strictly by the back of the baseball card numbers, there's no denying his effectiveness as a home run hitter and RBI machine. The Mets in the past had an odd season here and there with big numbers from Mike Piazza or Darryl Strawberry and others but no one put together the plateaus consistently the way Alonso has. Yes, his defense isn't going to remind anyone of Keith Hernandez and his baserunning speed is perhaps only better than Daniel Vogelbach.
Then there's the marketing force he represents for the Mets. Since Piazza have the Mets had a player that other clubs actually feared when he stepped into the batter's box? The fact that the Home Run Derby back-to-back champion can send long balls over the fence against any pitcher in any ballpark is quite real and having someone who is the best at what he does counts more for selling tickets, merchandise and building fan loyalty than wins and losses do. As a result, trading away this level of star magnitude is a dangerous thing to consider.
Still, when you evaluate what he delivers and what he should earn, the numbers are high but not nearly as bad as you would have originally thought. If you pull up comparables for some of the baseball stars in the game, you'd be looking at Matt Olson against whom he is vying for the National League home run title. Olsen signed an eight year deal for $168 million which works out to $21 million per season. For comparison's sake, you're now paying in a lopsided contract that amount to Starling Marte. I think the Braves got the better end of that expenditure.
Another approach could be to look at others in the league who have gotten more like Kris Bryant. In his case you're paying more for positional versatility than you are for one solid offensive tool. Again you can evaluate WAR numbers and come up somewhere in the same range.
Now some folks would instead use Mike Trout as a comparable because he's a Home Run and RBI leader year after year. His contract may in fact prevent Arte Moreno from extending Shohei Ohtani as he earns $426 million over the course of 12 years. That's a $35 million per year average. Pete Alonso is not Mike Trout. He doesn't play a stellar outfield nor does he steal a great many bases while hitting north of .300.
So if we assume $35 million is the upper limit and $21 million is the lower limit, at Alonso's age a 7-8 year deal might be the best you could offer. If you suggested $25 million per season for 8 years, that would be $200 million. Would that get it done? Think a minute...Francisco Lindor earns $34 million per season on a longer deal, but remember he plays a premium defensive position and steals bases, things that don't apply to Alonso.
If you were Pete Alonso and the Mets offered up a $200 million deal would you take it or would you go out into free agency and test the waters? Personally I think he would turn it down and if that's the case, I'd be peddling him before the 2024 season begins. If you think he would take it then why has an offer not yet been made to the man during 2023? Frankly I think the club may get a bit more serious about exploring the trading block in ascertaining what they could get in a trade of Pete Alonso before ponying up a much higher AAV for a contract.
“ The first question people need to assess is whether Pete Alonso is a modern day Carlos Delgado with a bit more power and a bit more RBI capability while hitting in the .265 range, or is he more of a grander and powerful all-or-nothing Dave Kingman.”
ReplyDeleteThis is why Pete must be pissed. He plays in a home park hostile to power hitters. I looked the other day, and in his not-so-short career, he is 32 points higher on the road and 84 points higher on the road in slug %, so the “is he Dave Kingman II” questions pop up.
Trust me, he is keenly aware of how Citifield makes him look Kingman-esque. He has to be pissed about it. When he leaves, he will say all the right things, ancutely anware of his image, and will sign with a team with a far more hitter-friendly park, where he has a shot at a Hall of Fame career.
Or Cohen can recognize reality and move the fences in 7-8 feet this off-season, sign Pete, and treat him right.
Mets are .227 at home this year, .244 on the road.
LOTTERY PICK UPDATE
ReplyDeleteTHEY'RE BAAAACK...
The Mets loss last night coupled with a Pittsburgh loss has the home town team currently only one game back for the race to pick 1.6
Regarding Pete
ReplyDelete1. The Mets have a tremendous amount of bat depth in their chain but no one at first that comes close to this guy's output.
2. The minute you trade him you turn first base into the home of Mark Vientos who has proven only one thing so far in this game...the inability to hit major league pitches.
3. He is one of the faces of this team
4. I've changed my thoughts about his clubhouse demeanor. He's a gamer and probably just pissed at both the results this season and the loss of some friends discarded along the way.
I would sign him to an 8 yr 200mil deal.
I think he would be thrilled to have that much AND remain a member of the team that drafted him.
Yep
ReplyDeleteMack, I hope so, but the home park is deflating his value. My guess is he will want 8 yr, $240 with that in mind.
ReplyDeleteHe has had 139 more ABs in his career on the road, and if his next 139 at bats were all at home, he’d have to hit 17 doubles, 25 HRs, knock in 51 runs and hit .520 just to draw even. And that would just mean no home field advantage, just even and level. Most hitters, I imagine on average, hit slightly BETTER at home. It will keep him out of the Hall of Fame playing here. Move the fences in, for Pete’s sake.
Mike Mussina made the Hall in large part because he ALWAYS had strong hitting teams to support him. Had he pitched for the Mets, he’d be another non-Hall Jerry Koosman.
Tom
DeleteI'm not as engaged about this fence thing like you are.
Alonso has a history of hitting the longest home runs in baseball
In addition if you move them in...again...you just give your opponents the chance to hit more home runs against you
Last 5 games for 32 year old Steve Matz: 29 IP, 4 ER. Won his last 4 decisions after starting 0-7.
ReplyDeleteI'm happy for him
DeleteAlways liked him
Mack, I get that…but I am giving you reasons that not doing so increase the odds of Pete leaving. I’d leave if I was him.
ReplyDeleteI just don't agree
DeletePete doesn't strike me as a money grubbing person who would leave the team he loves for additional money that would mostly go to Uncle Sam
(cam you say Uncle Sam anymore?)
He probably would be a truck driver or working with his hands If he didn't make it in pro ball.He definitely would be at Daytona today.
Hope he stays, Mack. We’ve had no one like him home grown in Mets history. Darryl was close, but not the same level of HR producer.
ReplyDeleteI think an offer of 8/200 is very fair, but if he turned it down, I would go up to 8/240,, but I think that would be my best offer. But what do I know? And it's not my money. Pete annoys me sometimes when he acts somewhat immature, but home run hitters like him don't grow on trees. I'm also a Vientos supporter, but it would be scary to see him at 1st, trying to replace Pete.
ReplyDeleteDon’t worry Mr Mack! The Mets are going to loose a lot more games. They aren’t very good.
ReplyDeleteIf Pete leaves, it isn’t Vientos that replaces him!
ReplyDeleteWe don't know that. If he produces with the bat and works hard at playing the position, it might be him. Or Baty. Or Schwartz. Or an outsider.
DeleteI'm not among those who feel that if a player isn't re-signed by the end of his contract he is "gone".
ReplyDeleteI will not attempt to set his "vslue" in $$$, and I'm not in favor of re-signing him before ST. The market will set his value, which will rise or be reduced by his production over the next 14 months.
And if he becomes a FA, the market will be a factor. If Steve wants him back, he has the money to outbid the competition. We will not see a repetition of the Jose Reyes "I'm going to the highest bidder, even if it's a dollar more", followed by the Wilpons not offering that dollar more.
I talked with José's brother about that the day his brother was being hounded by the gaggle inside the ST clubhouse
DeleteHe made me understand how poor his family was back home and this would.be the only opportunity he would have to secure top dollar funds to build his mother a compound there.
I asked him was it true that he shut down offensively on purpose last in that past season after being turned down demanding that his good buddy Carlos Gomez be signed.
The brother walked away from me
I'll stick with 6 years maximum $180k.
ReplyDeleteThat was ABS question .
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