Earlier in the week we examined the philosophical type of person the Mets should consider to fill their vacancy for a General Manager. Some folks are of the opinion that a GM becoming a part of the management hierarchy is not a real high priority given David Stearns' experience in that role. Just as Sandy Alderson handled both the POBO and GM roles out of both necessity and Wilpon budget constraints, it is possible to go in that direction despite Steve Cohen's much greater financial resources to put into the team.
The next decision that must be made is the right type of manager to lead this ballclub. Now before we speculate on who could or could not become the new Mets manager, let's look at a few basic facts. Going out of their way to hire one of the most well respected managers in baseball when they obtained Buck Showalter indeed resulted in a 101 win season, a vast improvement on what had been a far less successful franchise record prior to his arrival. Of course, having the right man at the top is not an iron clad guarantee of being at or near the top of the division as Showalter and his team demonstrated just a year later.
Going back even further the Mets made the curious decision under the Wilpons to hire the man no one wanted when they took in-house baseball lifer Terry Collins and named him manager of the losing bunch of players. His success was not fast. In fact, after the first two years of embarrassment to the club many were advocating he be put out to pasture, but the Wilpons held onto him for seven long years during which he easily became the losingest manager in club history. Experience in the role is obviously not a guarantee of success either.
Then there is the polar opposite, hiring a total newcomer to the management ranks. Some people have demonstrated an affinity for baseball leadership and decision making while swilling beers with others in the game of baseball, but that seeming to be erudition is a lot different in theory than in practice. Often first timers develop into credible baseball managers but it's seldom a rookie year level of success displaying instant advancement to October baseball.
The next type of candidacy is from someone who has had an extensive coaching career on the bench beside a manager or on the basepaths when his team is at bat. These folks know inside out and backwards what goes into running a baseball team from a leadership perspective even if they have not yet had the mantle handed to them to be the guy with the lineup pencil in his pocket. It's a little different than the truly green hire at the top but there is a bit of a thread of inexperience as you don't yet know how this individual would react to having the full pressure of being in charge.
So given these various approaches, it's clear that there are any number of valid former managers available for the position. Hiring one of them comes with a track record of behavior and success easily gleaned from their resumes. Sometimes a seeming "Golden Child" becomes available when either his contract expires or a recent termination makes him a top candidate for a new employer.
Some feel that the skippers with the longest track record are the ones who deserve consideration, but there's a big difference between the resume of a Dusty Baker (if the Astros let him go) vs. Terry Collins who was unemployable in the USA after his dual disasters in Houston and Anaheim. Both clubs immediately improved after his departure. Baker is a totally different class of manager but others would mention his age of 74 as down side when you and your young POBO are seeking to build a viable long term solution.
The Mets are well versed in the unknown rookie manager having recently endured the likes of Luis Rojas and Mickey Callaway. Each came with a big learning curve both about the game itself as well as in professional behavior motivating players and conducting himself as a leader whose behavior the club would like to see others emulate. Consequently, while a high profile rookie manager with borderline Cooperstown playing resume being converted into a manager would mean much of the same risk as has been taken in the past.
Consequently, the smarter plan B if the "Golden Child" is not available would be to look at the long term coaches who have had perhaps a few seasons of minor league manager experience to accompany his long term major league on-the-field coaching resume.
At this point, the conventional wisdom would be to hire a GM and have that person participate in the field manager decision. Many don't realize that David Stearns has never hired a manager as he inherited the one in Milwaukee when he took charge of that organization's front office. No one knows exactly what the sequence of hiring will be, but while it's possible to hold off on the GM for awhile, a uniformed manager is a much higher immediate priority.
Morning Reese
ReplyDeleteThis is not the time for a rookie manager
Stearns can figure this out but my hope is he cuts a deal with the guy he already has experience and chemistry with
Oh yeah
How bout those Braves!!!
An old boss of mine, Steve Dinetz, told me early on:
ReplyDelete"When you take a new job and are surrounded by strangers, always hire someone you are close with to give you some clarity in the beginning"
See we don't have to win the division and man finally some serious hurt on the Bravos as that has to sting. To have both favorites in the NL go down like that I guess big changes are coming....or not it will be an interesting winter all around.
ReplyDeleteI think you have two different scenarios here
DeleteThe big Dodger bats went cold. Excellent pitching caused this
With Atlanta the better playoff team won
Dave Roberts has the highest career winning percentage of any manager ever, yet he’s on the hot seat. How do you feel about that? The top five teams in MLB - record-wise - were 1-13 in the playoffs this year. Wow. When Brian Snitka and Rob Thomson were hired, the feeling was “who?” Well, we know who they are now. Minor league manager with the chops for the majors is the way to go.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to see a manager with a little more outward facing fire. I don't want a guy getting thrown out every third game, but somebody that will show a little more emotion when his players are getting hit by pitches. Just a guy that can show some a little spark when needed.
ReplyDeleteWith that said, I want to see somebody that can manage a bullpen and can also manage the grind of 162 games for all players.
I do not have a specific name in mind.
What do you think would happen if Bryce Harper got hit by a pitch?
ReplyDeleteGus, not what happened with Pete and Marte, which was zero.
ReplyDeleteBraves choke again. Unreal.
ReplyDeleteI don't have a specific name in mind but several years ago I would have liked to have seen Wally Backman. Now he has too much baggage. I think it's critical the Mets have a Plan B in the event Plan Counsell doesn't happen.
ReplyDeleteEdgardo Alfonzo is still the choice or Lee Mazzilli. Maz is an amazing listen and his knowledge and insight is jaw dropping. Would her do it, however?
DeleteWould *he do it? Stupid phone…
DeleteI can't believe anyone would call for a manager with no major league experience
ReplyDeleteBeltran?
ReplyDeleteThe problem with looking for managers with major league experience is that there is a very limited set and those that don't have jobs today are free for a reason:
ReplyDeleteToo old: Terry Francona, Joe Maddon, Buck, John Farrell, Davey Johnson, etc.
No success: Luis Rojas, Phil Nevin, Gabe Kapler, etc.
Baggage: Mickey Calloway
There must be other names that don't come to the front of my mind quickly, but my point is that there aren't many in the bucket of "been there, had success, still looking. . "
Craig Counsell would probably be a good get, but he is untested in a major market and has had success with some excellent pitching and an overall weak division to play in.
Of that list of the others above, the ONLY one I would go with is perhaps Luis Rojas. Would round 2 go better with a different (better?) roster?
I forgot about Alphonzo. .I would love to see that reunion.
ReplyDeleteToxic clubhouse,was that Bucks fault or Alonso’s? Need a veteran manager to deal with that or will a trade for Pete solve that?
ReplyDeleteJust for Reese, maybe Terry would come out of retirement. He got us to the World Series 8 years ago, so why not? 😄
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