Mack will take us through the 2024 MLB draft as it pertains to the Mets starting July 14.
DO NOT MISS IT.
He is the guru here on upcoming draftees and the draft.
I do not venture there in this article, other than conceptually. I leave the postulating about who we might draft to the prognosticators.
My thoughts in this article focus on drafting successfully, and seeing how poorly the Mets have done drafting over the decades, and compiled largely from prior articles of mine.
Drafting is an art form, they say.
I disagree. I think drafting in the early rounds, while having elements of hit-or-miss, comes down to this:
1) This Mets team needs to ramp up its efforts to pick much better in rounds 1 through 5 than it has historically; the Mets have drafted very poorly in those rounds, as is outlined further below. Poor drafting leads to a) lower quantity and quality of homegrown talent and b) greater need to hook the team’s "arm" up to the extremely costly Free Agent I.V. drip.
2) My advice essentially is to draft only power arms and power bats, with "power speed" factored in for hitters. Far too many non-fireballers and power-impaired, gravity-hindered hitters have been drafted in years past, resulting in below average promoted relievers and far too many wasted hitter draft picks.
3) Draft no undersized players; the organization already has plenty of them.
Interestingly, I read the following, and it seems there is FINALLY a real commitment to the “peer arms/power bats/power tools philosophy I have been espousing for many years here:
“According to a report from The Athletic‘s Will Sammon, several industry members believe the Mets might shift their draft philosophy with Stearns and VP of amateur scouting Kris Gross at the helm.
In addition, the belief is the Mets might do a mixture of what the Brewers and Astros have done in the past and sign “explosive athletes with big tools and pitchers with raw electric stuff.””
Continuing on with my article:
Dom Smith was picked # 11 overall, a misJUDGEment when a power hitting monster whose last name started with J was still available (he went at # 32 that year). When you draft superior power hitting and pitching you will assuredly miss on many picks, but the ones you do hit on could be the team’s next APPLE or NVIDIA. (See my note on James Wood of the Nationals further down in this article.)
3) Avoid strategic overpays for drafted high school and college arms, especially HS arms. Situations like Matt Allan’s and JT Ginn’s can blow up entire years' drafts when such high gamble picks fail.
4) When the Mets’ draft brain trust is delighted that a draftable player slips down to where they can draft him, beware: Maybe the other teams see what our drafting team fails to see. Kevin Parada, for example, may fall into that category, although the jury remains out. He slipped down, and is so far under-performing his 11th overall slot.
5) If a player has a seemingly very good bat, but is slow afoot and uncertain as to whether he can be nothing more than a 1B/DH, probably wise to look elsewhere.
I looked at Mets' 1st rounders 1965-2022.
Not good, I concluded. At all.
My brother Steve thinks this franchise's drafting over 60 years has been awful. I largely agree.
I took into account, in my subjective first round Mets selection gradings, where the guy fell in the first round - so, if a Paul Wilson was first overall, and Anthony Kay was 31st overall, and they performed the same, Wilson would get a worse grade.
First, I ranked the roughly 55 Mets first rounders through 2020 by assigning them an A thru F grade.
Lots and lots of low performance grading scores:
Drafting can be a crap shoot, but shoot, there's a lot of crap here.
F's? I count 22 of them.
D+, D, D-? I count 9 of them.
So more than half the Mets' first round picks were Ds and Fs.
Nine more in the C category, so 40 were C or lower, and fewer than 20 were As or Bs.
You really want your long-term scorecard to read the opposite.
And I did not want to tamper with this table I did after the season of 2022, so I did not move Kevin Parada down. I had him at a "wishful thinking A+", but he has performed more like a C- so far, for a # 11 overall pick.
Also, I am rolling with Jett as an A rated pick from 2022, but his 4 month injury makes such a rating guesswork.
SEASON | PLAYER | POS | PICK | GRADE |
|
RHP | 5 | A++ | Should have been a HOF | ||
2022 | Kevin Parada | C | 11 | A+ | I’ll give him an A+ and let him earn it. |
2022 2020 | Jett Williams Pete Crow A. | IF CF | 14 19 | A A | I am hoping he is a Crow equivalent. Think he’ll be great; time will tell. |
LHP | 4 | A | Great pitcher for a lousy hitting team | ||
OF | 1 | A | Should have been an A++ | ||
SS | 3 | A | Fine, fine hitter | ||
LHP | 15 | A- | 108 game winner; none with the Mets. | ||
OF | 17 | A- | 315 HR, 981 RBIs for #17? Yes. | ||
OF | 14 | A- | Lee had a very good, long career | ||
B. Nimmo | RF | 13 | A- | A surprisingly good pick. He's now A+ | |
SS | 20 | A- | Considered an A, but defense not good. | ||
OF | 9 | A- | Very solid: 141 and 121 RBI seasons. | ||
2017 | David Peterson | LHP | 20 | B+ | So far so good for an overall # 20 |
SS | 16 | B+ | Great against righties, tough, no power | ||
2019 | Brett Baty | 3B | 12 | B | His recent hitting in AA gives hope. |
Matt Harvey | RHP | 7 | B | Great pick – until hurt. 2.5 fine years. | |
M. Conforto | OF | 10 | B- | Did enough to squeeze him into a B-. | |
1B | 20 | C | Decent for a 20th overall pick. No NYM. | ||
CF | 21 | C | Powerless .275 utility hitter with speed. | ||
RHP | 18 | C | Modest career, not a bad pick for # 18 | ||
SS | 1 | C | Solid, long career; not #1 overall caliber | ||
Dominic Smith | 1B | 11 | C | Milledge better. .246/.308/.424. | |
1B | 18 | C- | A few promising stretches, but a failure. | ||
Michael Pelfrey | RHP | 9 | C- | Workhorse; you want more out of # 9 | |
RHP | 2 | C- | Injury prevented him from being more. | ||
Reese Havens | SS | 22 | C- | Could have been fine but many injuries. | |
L. Milledge | OF | 12 | C- | Should've been better. .269/.338/.395. | |
3B | 24 | D+ | 910 PAs, .233. Hit .195 with NYM. | ||
Justin Dunn | RHP | 19 | D+ | Hurt. So far, 5-4, 3.94 ERA. NO NYM. | |
3B | 4 | D | .252 in 1,281 PAs, none with NYM. | ||
C | 24 | D | 50 career Abs, .220 | ||
Anthony Kay | LHP | 31 | D | Fizzled; doing well in Japan in 2024. | |
RHP | 3 | D | Perfect game, bum arm, lousy. | ||
LHP | 16 | D- | 12-14, 5.65. No NYM. | ||
OF | 20 | D- | Career .216 in 920 PAs, 27 with NYM. | ||
RHP | 1 | D- | Injured pitcher. 40-48, 4.86 for a #1 overall. | ||
2B | 14 | F | 11 career PAs, and he walked 1X. | ||
C | 24 | F | .167 in 84 career PAs, none with NYM. | ||
C | 6 | F | Butch who? .162 in 89 career Abs | ||
R. Bengston | C | 13 | F | Richard who? | |
Steve Chilcott | C | 1 | F | Injured catcher - looked like Reggie. | |
LHP | 6 | F | Minors pitcher who did not pitch much. | ||
LHP | 2 | F | Injured pitcher | ||
Robert Stratton | OF | 13 | F | Career minor leaguer. | |
Alfred Shirley | OF | 18 | F | Never draft a guy named Alfred, Shirley | |
OF | 21 | F | Wrong Lee May. | ||
OF | 1 | F | Abner Doubleday did not like that pick. | ||
OF | 4 | F | Great football player name; weak at BB | ||
OF | 23 | F | Good GM - those who can't play, GM | ||
Chris Roberts | OF | 18 | F | Never made it out of the minors. | |
Tom Thurberg | OF | 13 | F | Never made it out of the minors. | |
Kirk Presley | RHP | 8 | F | Terrible pick, uh huh, uh huh. | |
Dave Proctor | RHP | 21 | F | Proctor was a Gamble – that failed. | |
RHP | 17 | F | Cliff who? 2-1, 4.13, 28 innings with Atl. | ||
RHP | 4 | F | Randy who? | ||
Gavin Cecchini | SS | 12 | F | Bust. | |
Ryan Jaroncyk | SS | 18 | F | Lousy minor leaguer. Lousy pick. | |
G. Ambrow | SS | 23 | F | George who? | |
2018 | Jarred Kelenic | OF | 6 | Inc. | Jury out. So far, not good. Got us Edwin. |
2021 | Kumar Rocker | RHP | 10 | Inc. | Re-drafted in 2022 by Texas. |
And now, by year:
SEASON | PLAYER | POS | PICK | GRADE |
|
2022 | Parada | C | 11 | A+ | I’ll give him an A+ and let him earn it. |
2022 2021 | Jett Williams Kumar | IF RHP | 14 10 | A Inc. | I am hoping he is a Crow equivalent. Re-drafted in 2022 by Texas. |
2020 | Crow | CF | 19 | A | Think he’ll be great; time will tell. |
2019 | Brett Baty | 3B | 12 | B | His recent hitting in AA gives hope. |
2018 | Jarred Kelenic | OF | 6 | Inc. | Jury out. So far, not good. Got us Edwin. |
2017 | David Peterson | LHP | 20 | B+ | So far so good for an overall # 20 |
Anthony Kay | LHP | 31 | D | Fizzled – in minors currently. | |
Justin Dunn | RHP | 19 | D+ | Hurt. So far, 5-4, 3.94 ERA. | |
M. Conforto | OF | 10 | B- | Did enough to squeeze him into a B-. | |
Dominic Smith | 1B | 11 | C- | Not a Milledge. .246/.308/.424. | |
Gavin Cecchini | SS | 12 | F | Bust. | |
B, Nimmo | RF | 13 | A- | A surprisingly good pick | |
Matt Harvey | RHP | 7 | B | Great pick – until hurt. 2.5 fine years. | |
Reese Havens | SS | 22 | C- | Could have been fine; too many injuries. | |
1B | 18 | C- | A few promising stretches, but a failure. | ||
Michael Pelfrey | RHP | 9 | C- | Workhorse; you want more out of # 9 | |
RHP | 3 | D | Perfect game, bum arm, lousy. | ||
L. Milledge | OF | 12 | D+ | Should've been better. .269/.338/.395. | |
LHP | 15 | A- | 108 game winner; none with the Mets. | ||
RHP | 18 | C | Modest career, not a bad pick for # 18 | ||
LHP | 16 | D- | 12-14, 5.65. No NYM. | ||
CF | 21 | C | Powerless .275 utility hitter with speed. | ||
LHP | 6 | F | Minors pitcher who did not pitch much. | ||
Robert Stratton | OF | 13 | F | Career minor leaguer. | |
Ryan Jaroncyk | SS | 18 | F | Lousy minor leaguer. Lousy pick. | |
1B | 20 | C | Decent for a 20th overall pick. No NYM. | ||
RHP | 1 | D- | Injured. 40-48, 4.86 for a #1 overall. | ||
Kirk Presley | RHP | 8 | F | Terrible pick, uh huh, uh huh. | |
Christ Roberts | OF | 18 | F | Never made it out of the minors. | |
OF | 9 | A- | Very solid: 141 and 121 RBI seasons. | ||
Alfred Shirley | OF | 18 | F | Never draft a guy named Alfred, Shirley | |
OF | 17 | A- | 315 HR, 981 RBIs for #17? Yes. | ||
C | 24 | F | .167 in 84 career PAs, none with NYM. | ||
Dave Proctor | RHP | 21 | F | Proctor was a Gamble – that failed. | |
3B | 24 | D+ | 910 PAs, .233. Hit .195 with NYM. | ||
OF | 21 | F | Wrong Lee May. | ||
SS | 20 | A- | Considered an A, but defense not good. | ||
OF | 1 | F | Abner Doubleday did not like that pick. | ||
OF | 20 | D- | Career .216 in 920 PAs, 27 with NYM. | ||
3B | 4 | D | .252 in 1,281 PAs, none with NYM. | ||
RHP | 5 | A++ | Should have been a HOF | ||
OF | 4 | F | Great name for a FB player; lousy at BB | ||
C | 24 | D | 50 career Abs, .220 | ||
OF | 23 | F | Good GM | ||
OF | 1 | A | Should have been an A++ | ||
RHP | 2 | C- | Injury prevented him from being more. | ||
SS | 3 | A | Fine, fine hitter | ||
SS | 16 | B+ | Great against righties, tough, no power | ||
Tom Thurberg | OF | 13 | F | Never made it out of the minors. | |
C | 6 | F | Butch who? .162 in 89 career Abs | ||
RHP | 17 | F | Cliff who? 2-1, 4.13, 28 innings with Atl. | ||
OF | 14 | A- | Lee had a very good, long career | ||
R. Bengston | C | 13 | F | Richard who? | |
2B | 14 | F | 11 career PAs, and he walked 1X. | ||
G. Ambrow | SS | 23 | F | George who? | |
RHP | 4 | F | Randy who? | ||
SS | 1 | C | Solid, long career; not #1 overall caliber | ||
LHP | 4 | A | Great pitcher for a lousy hitting team | ||
Steve Chilcott | C | 1 | F | Injured catcher | |
LHP | 2 | F | Injured pitcher |
So that's it on 1965 - 2020 first rounders - very poor.
Moving on:
I also did a prior series of draft retrospective articles spanning 2012 through 2023. Not involving the first rounders only, but all rounds.
So…how did the Mets do drafting in those years, anyway?
REPORT CARD TIME.
Let’s take this in 2 tranches:
A) 2012 thru 2020 - plenty of time for the paint to have dried on those drafts. The players’ records are self-evident.
B) 2021-2023 - I'll get to those afterwards, below.
So, for 2012-2020?
Which picks turned out very good to well above average?
- Pete Alonso 2nd round (# 64) 2018
- McNeil 12th round 2013.
- Pete Crow-Armstrong 1st round (# 20) 2020. (Jury still out on Crow).
Which high picks were solid?
- Conforto (1st round, 2014) (but even though quality, the Mets passed on the far superior Trea Turner)
Which high picks may end up decent, but the jury is still out?
- Jarred Kelenic (1st round, 6th overall 2018)
- David Peterson (1st round, 20th overall 2017)
- Mark Vientos (2nd round out of HS, 2017) STARTING TO LOOK UP!
- Brett Baty 1st round, 2019)
Which lower picks have turned out fairly well?
- Paul Sewald (10th round, 2012) - better than fairly well, as an ex-Met.
- Colin Holderman (9th round, 2016) - now a fine set up man for Pittsburgh
- Tylor Megill (8th round, 2018)
- Luis Guillorme (10th round, 2013)
Which higher picks were (are) only borderline major leaguers?
- Gavin Cecchini (1st round, 2012)
- Dominic Smith (1st round, 2013)
- Justin Dunn (1st round supplemental, 2016)
- Anthony Kay (1st round, 2016)
Which lower picks were (are) barely borderline major leaguers?
- Tomas Nido (8th round, 2012)
- Brad Wieck (7th round, 2013)
- Tom Szapucki (5th round, 2015)
- Pat Mazeika (8th round, 2015)
- Bryce Montes de Oca (8th round, 2018) (HOPE SPRINGS ETERNAL)
MY TAKE?
Drafted hitters 2012-2020?
If Vientos, Crow, and Baty all blossom, the Mets have done OK over the 2012-20 draft period. If they do not, not so good. But, if you add in international draftees Gimenez, Rosario, and Alvarez, not bad at all.
Drafted pitching, 2012-2020?
Simply terrible pitching draft outcomes long-term. Try making a single staff out of those draftees. Maybe for the LI Ducks, not for the major leagues.
Another key factor to underwhelming Mets drafts for those 9 seasons?
Think about the only sure things from those drafts in rounds 2 thru 5?
Just Alonso, and maybe Vientos.
So, out of 36 total second through fifth round picks in those 9 years, just one hitting star emerged, and one possibly star-caliber player in Vientos?
2023’s draft is giving us Sproat (YAY)…and an infirmary full of injured guys. More on 2023 further below.
2012-2023? Stunning.
But how badly did the Mets compare to the competition?
Poorly when the Mets draft results are compared to Baseball America's typical draft success, as explained below.
BASEBALL AMERICA:
Posted in 2019 by BA was a study of drafts spanning decades. The article had a bar chart of how many make the majors from each round.
Round 1: 73%
Round 2: 51%
Round 3: 40%
Round 4: 35%
Round 5: 31%
Round 6: 25%
Round 7: 22%
Round 8: 20%
Round 9: 20%
Round 10: 18%
Round 11+: 4%
So, for rounds 1 through 10, the average was 33.6% of those drafted should make the majors, or 3-4 per season per team. Throw in nearly 1 who makes it on average in rounds 11-20, and the average team should have 4 guys make the majors each draft, and probably 5 or 6 a year, when one goes back to seasons where there were 40 rounds, not 20. Let's say 5 in total for those 40 player draft years.
(Baseball America did not differentiate between pitchers and hitters; my guess is the percentage of pitchers making the majors is significantly impacted by major pitcher arm and shoulder injuries.)
Back to the Mets. For the above 9 season period, 2012-2020, the Mets (based on my count) had 21 players make it, or 2.3 per season.
That's just bad Mets results. And relatively few high impact players.
Even worse is beyond round 1 (in round 1, regardless of their star power, they have 9 who have made the major leagues in 2012-20).
Rounds 2 through 7 have been brutal. Based on the BA stats above, on average, 2+ players in rounds 2 through 7 should end up making the majors from each draft. Instead of the average of 12 or 13 for those 6 seasons, the Mets have had just FOUR from rounds 2 through 7, and only one so far of more than limited consequence:
In round 2, Pete Alonso and Mark Vientos.
Round 3? No one.
Round 4? No one.
Round 5? Szapucki.
Round 6? No one.
Round 7? Brad Wieck.
Oddly, after those really abysmal 6 rounds (2 thru 7), round 8 had 4 players make the majors, 2 of whom (Megill and Nido) have played a lot.
It is possible that a few draftees from later in the 2012-20 period, like frequently injured Matt Allan and (less likely) Ryley Gilliam, might still make it. But even if those two do, this body of 9 years of draft work still represents very bad draft outcomes for the Metsies.
After the first round, if you asked the question, "why the heck did they pick THAT GUY?", you'd have been asking the right question.
Bad draft outcomes over large spans of time of course lead to a dearth of home-grown talent, and then free agent signings galore in order for a team trying to be competitive to fill gaps, which then thrusts such a team trying to compete into the tangled web of luxury cap problems.
I say that drafting power arms, power bats, power speed is the long-term formula to Mets' drafting success.
The draft is a crap shoot, they say....
So let's "crap less" so we draft better than the average team, instead of far worse, how about that?
Thoughts in my next article are on the more recent 2021 through 2023 drafts, the seasons where players are still in their minor league developmental stage and a bit too early to truly judge.
"When you, Mr./Mrs. Mets Fan, next feel a draft, may the draft for you be a sweet tailwind and not a biting, bitter headwind."
Before I forget...Here's a "hindsight special" for you.
The Mets in 2021 drafted Calvin Ziegler 46th overall.
They did not pick uber-athlete James Wood, who was picked # 62.
Even if Ziegler hadn't gotten injured, I am very puzzled why a super-speedy 6'7" kid with superior power was not selected by the Mets.
Hopefully it had nothing to do with demographics.
This was a VERY BAD MISS.
Wood right now looks like he may have superstar potential, after tearing up both spring training and AAA.
I feel a draft.
ReplyDeleteExcellent draft primer. Thanks for doing this.
ReplyDeleteI too look for a new draft direction by the Mets draft brass
As Dicky V might put it...
ReplyDelete"IT'S THE FIRST 3 ROUNDS, BABY"
Mack, we have to avoid picking poorly, and going with extreme athletic talent is the formula, while of course understanding the drive of the individual. Whoever picked Brandon Nimmo deserves a medal. We all looked at that pick at the time as "WHAT????" That pick was superb, as it turns out. Nimmo is super baseball smart and super driven. Another guy with his skills but not his drive and brains might have only been marginal.
ReplyDeleteMack, one more Nimmo point. He actually is great, not very good. How so?
ReplyDeleteThis year, he is .295/.413/.577 in the road.
At home, a drastically worse .214/.232/.370.
In his career on the road, .283/.394/.471.
At home, much lower at .251/.383/.426.
Gentlemen, draft well, but also fix the park. Do it this off season.
Tom
ReplyDeleteI'm not trying to be a wise ass but if the Mets had let me draft the players IN THE FIRST 3 ROUNDS for the LAST 10 YEARS, they would have been in the World Series LAST YEAR.
My rankings every pre-draft season are consensus picks from all the NATIONAL draft experts on sites like Prospect Live, Baseball America, Athletic, etc... not old guards in the field or analytic nerds in the basement.
My consensus includes Jonathan Mayo, Ben Badler, Dan Kirby, The Prospect Pipeline, Aaron Fitt, Matt Eddy, Teddy Cahill, Carlos Collazo, JJ Cooper, Jim Callis, Keith Law, Jeff Passan, Vinnie Cervino, Tyler Russo, Tyler Jennings, Ian Smith, Brian Recca, Joe Doyle...
DRAFT EXPERTS
And yes
ReplyDeleteThe wood man would be a Met
Mack, I don't doubt it one bit. It is a shame they did not have you as a draft consultant.
ReplyDeleteThe Mets' drafting in years past has been like flying Boeing jets without proper maintenance. You severely jeopardize the chances of getting where you want to go.
Excellent comprehensive analysis, Tom. The only qualm I have with histories is that they are not monolithic.
ReplyDeleteLooking at the history of a single GM/POBO and/or scouting director might be more valid, but when the drafts of the last # of years are grouped together, it's harder to judge.
Baseball drafts are looked at as crap shoots anyway, but when they're conducted by a variety of men they're harder to judge.
If someone were to rate the history of American Presidents since Lincoln based on the outcome of their decisions, they would have to look at each of the administrations. They could compare, say, the Nixon years vs the Kennedy ones, but looking at those years together, as though they were a combo would not be logical.
Similarly, it would be valid to look at the draft records of the individual GMs of the Mets, since each had their own perspective and evaluation methods.
It's fun to look back at the history of Mets drafts, and you've done a great job of that. Thanks for the memories.
Bill, I am more concerned with the failures than who failed. Pick superior athletes. And make sure that these higher round guys can hit really good pitching. Two recent former first rounders, Parada and Houck, have fanned 205 times in 139 games this year. Picking guys that high that fan at that high rate simply should not happen. Maybe they will correct it. Somehow, I wonder.
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ReplyDeleteOf course, I see an article in SNY that Brandon Nimmo is the most underappreciated MLB star player in NY in decades:
https://www.mlb.com/mets/news/brandon-nimmo-most-underrated-mlb-star-hitter
He would not be underrated if Citifield merely played offensively like road parks do for Nimmo:
"One more Nimmo point. He actually is great, not very good. How so?
This year, he is .295/.413/.577 in the road.
At home, a drastically worse .214/.232/.370.
In his career on the road, .283/.394/.471.
At home, much lower at .251/.383/.426.
Gentlemen, draft well, but also fix the park. Do it this off season."