6/26/26

Ernest Dove - What's wrong with the Mets' farm system?

 

Ernest Dove addresses a question that we have been asking ourselves often: What is wrong with the Mets' farm system?!

Here is the report with his view: link

4 comments:

D J said...

Earnest,
I suspect you speak for all of us. There is certainly a problem, so let's get it fixed.

RVH said...

I wonder if the Mets & the league are implementing AI generated game plans to attract the Mets pitchers & hitters at the major & minor league levels. This would explain so many of the issues we are seeing across the board.

That, coupled with all the “coaching” & “tweaking” to the Mets players would create an environment that make an already impossible game that much more difficult.

These types of actions would explain the system-wide collapse.

Something to consider.

Tom Brennan said...

All the full season teams have just entered their second halves. Weather is warm, “baseball” weather. Time for a big rebound. BIG.

Jules C-- The Cautious Optimist said...

i agree and also disagree. I am a coach in golf who uses lots of technology, but not in the way the Mets apparently do, which is not uncommon, but completely wrongheaded. I have also worked with AI groups in several areas and am quite impressed with what Ai can do in the back office but not at all impressed what it can do in the areas of creativity, learning movement patterns and too much more to discuss here.
When it comes to hitting, there are global principles that apply to everyone who engages in ballistic activities: hitting a baseball, a tennis ball, a golf ball, etc. But that's it. After that it is all personalization. And it is all about creating an environment of joint discovery of what works for particular players and athletes. This has nothing to do with computers. People don't learn by numbers in spreadsheets. Those are outcomes, not revealing at all of the forces and torques that create motion; nothing about how information is conveyed or learnt. It drives me crazy. Believe it or not, there are people who coach who understand the psychological, mental, biomechanical and neuroscientific aspects of learning -- whether content ,skils or movement patterns.
New technologies are nascent in baseball but not in other sports, and there is an entire field of study backed by real neuroscience, biology and brain science about roadmaps to achieving excellence. I can't get into it all here, but it is easy to be seduced by a belief that the data one sees tells a story and designs roadmaps to improvement, but as many of us say, that would be a nonsense. Data tells you that you need to look for answers. Data needs an interpretation; it doesn't interpret itself. It doesn't describe the causal mechanisms. Etc. Etc.
And if you don't understand that, adherence to data first in these areas will almost certainly cause more damage than benefit -- and not by a little bit either.
That's my agreement with you and I could give you hours of explanation of your well earned skepticism.
On the other hand, you are mistaken about Tong. His motion had two limitations, whatever his record in the minors: 1. It made finding a pitch that moved diagnaly accross several planes extremely difficult. His curve ball was a lollipop which he hardly threw and his changeup was excellent though his fastball had little movement. He defeated hitters by deception. 2. Most importantly, the way he achieved his over the top delivery caused enormous stress on his lumbar spine that was going to be unsustainable over the long term. He pitched with inordinate side bend achieved from the wrong place in his spine. The T spine is designed for side bend; the lumbar spine is not. I've explained this in my videos. So what is going on this year is a change in his arm angle to solve the second problem and this has had an impact on how even the pitches he always has thrown will react: namely differently and in ways that were unknown to him. That is the major change, not the addition of new pitches. He is a work in progress now because movement pattern changes do not come in ones, but in full complementary pieces. Look no further than what happened to Manaea when he shifted his arm angle to mimic Sale's/ Worked for a while until his body couldn't handle it and he got hurt. He is only now finding complementary biomechanical body changes that will enable him to do it without risking serious injury.
Again I could go on at length about this so if you want to discuss it sometime let me know and we can arrange a zoom