The Mets have been held to zero or just one run 17 times this year after today's shutout. 14 of those have come in games Ike Davis started. He pinch hit in another and struck out in his only at bat.Only two came during the time he was demoted (Wainwright's filthy start and Tim Hudson's dominant outing against Gee when Freeman hit the game-winner in the 9th).
In those 15 games, Ike Davis was 4-36 (.111).
25 games without Ike, we get held to one of fewer runs twice (8% of games in that span)
81 with him, it happens 15 times (19%)
Oh, and in those two games Ike was gone and we scored 0 or 1 runs, the Mets first base replacements went 5-8 combined (Murph and Duda).
Oh, and in case the above didn't implicitly say this, the Mets have not been held to 0 or 1 runs in a game in which Ike Davis was on the 25 man roster and did not appear in the game.
Mets record when Ike Davis is not on the 25-man roster: 13-12 (.520), 162-game extrapolation= 84-78
Mets record when Ike Davis is on the 25-man roster: 35-46 (.432), 162-game extrapolation= 70-92
There has to be some emotional attachment here that didn't exist when the decision was made to call up Juan Lagares.
ReplyDeleteIke is toast, but a close friend of David Wright and loved by the manager and all the coaches. Valuable time is being wasted here to give Wilmer Flores some time at 1B, next to Daniel Murphy at second. It could create the worst defensive maneuvering than the Titanic, but it needs to be done some day so why not now?
How much longer do I have to watch Ike Davis? By the 2rd inning yesterday he had left 5 men on base.
ReplyDeletePlease save me the good guy in the clubhouse, well liked BS. Get me a clutch ball player that can make an impact and win games.
On a gut level you know the offense is not the same with Ike in there but playing out the numbers is a real eye opener. My guess is Ike will not be offered arbitration next year even if he goes on a tear the last two months. The Mets simply cannot live with the inconsistency that is Ike Davis.
ReplyDeleteExcuse me - by the 3rd inning Ike Davis had left 5 men on base. Batting 180 your 1b Ike Davis.
ReplyDeleteCome on now!
I sent this as an email to Mack last night out of frustration and should include some sort of clause about this data:
ReplyDeleteThis is circular reasoning: I expected to find results like this when I started the research. However, I did not expect the Mets impotence to be that pronounced in games he played relative to those he did not. I should also note that many Mets players do not have good averages in games we're shut out or held to run. That's why we're held to low/no runs. However, we're at a large enough sample size for this data to be significant.
My problem with what Sandy said/did is that if we're actually trying to make a run/compete/win as many games as possible/build momentum/get to .500 (take your pick), Ike Davis's name doesn't touch a lineup card. If he does, we're punting the season, trying to get him straight, and investing in next year. If THAT were the case, we should have sold high on Marlon Byrd and Bobby Parnell.
I just don't like that consistency. I'm fine letting Ike work out his issues at the ML level this year to right him for next. However, that statistically forfeits this year of baseball for the New York Mets.
I'm not sure I understand the Lagares/Davis connection, Mack, but I confess to being tardy in evacuating the Davis Bandwagon (I had the same affliction wrt F-Mart). A ticket to Jacobsville is in order--he can share a bunk in steerage with Duda.
ReplyDeleteSA has to test the waiver wire with a dozen or more now on the 40-man before December and hopefully salvage SOME return. I wouldn't mind one bit if Flores/Dykstra shared 1B for the rest of the season and then sort things out in the Fall.
Guys, you are going to have to live with Ike until Alderson, Collins, and Wright agree this is over. Davis has been a big positive element of this team and this is like a close friend slowly dying of cancer.
ReplyDeleteI think he gets the rest of this year to put up some decent numbers, but he looks like Jimmy Armet, a guy I grew up with that simply didn't have the ability to play ANY sports. When you chose up teams in the local park and the last player left was Jimmy, you didn't pick him and played with one less player. He was that lost on the field and actually got in the way.
Davis is that lost this season so I can't see a pretty ending here; however, you're still going to have to live with this until the Mets decide it is time to cut fish.
And, by the way...
ReplyDeleteZach Lutz played first base last night while Wilmer Flores played second.
There doesn't seem to be any timetable to turn Flores permanently into a first baseman.
I don't buy that the players want him there because they all love him. The players want to win! Wright wants to win some ball games and I really doubt he's upset at all if Ike gets bench, demoted, or released.
ReplyDeleteIke's numbers are better since his recall, but I bet he's hitting more with nobody on base, because it seems as if he fails 9 times out of 10 with runners on.
Last year, he hit a bunch of three run homers, even when he sucked, and that contributed to his RBI's at seasons end. This year, he's just a black hole. All while the hit machine Satin sits on the bench. I just don't understand it.
Until Ike mentally changes his game, the results will be horrible. He's just a horrible, horrible player. I really hope Flores comes up in September and forces the Mets to put a tombstone in Davis' locker.
Charley - I erased my first reaction to your post because I took it personal. The players do love him on the team. David Wright does want im around and playing. You're welcome to believe what I'm saying or not, but we're probably all stuck with this situation until the end of the season.
ReplyDeleteThe Mets can't keep a .180 hitter because he has buddies on the team. Ike's time has come and gone. He might turn it around with another team at some point but for a team that what's to win next year they can't drag him around.
ReplyDeleteDon't take it personal Mack...
ReplyDeleteI've heard that reasoning multiple times and I understand Ike is liked, but when you're a competitor, you want to win.
So, it's the eighth inning, Mets are down by two, runners at first and second. 3-1 count and Ike is up. Pitcher throws a breaking ball in the dirt and Ike is out in front, he's done with his swing way before the ball reaches the catcher. 3-2 pitch, same thing, breaking ball, little higher, Ike's out front again but makes contact. Easy double play ball to the second baseman.
Rally not over because it never started. Ike killed it.
This has played out 100 times over the past two years and I'm sure everyone, including David and Terry, are fed up.
The reason he's still playing is because he had a good second half last year and the front office is praying that somehow he ups his value by showing some sort of pulse over the last two months.
Nobody wants to cut bait on a guy who hit 32 homers last year and is still under team control. That can come back to bite them in the ass and it probably will at some point, but until then he's killing the offense.