We have clearly improved at the C, SS, and CF positions even though the players are the same. We expect the same lackluster production at 1B, and the same solid production at 2B and 3B. As we stated before, LF looks like its a real wild card since we still have no idea who's going to be starting and RF should be at least equal to last year's production but has a chance to be a bit better. Lets switch over to the arms and see how the rotation will far without Matt Harvey.
(***Note this takes into account the team as it is today. Steamer Projections are extrapolated out to 162 games for the starter only.)
2013
Stats: 48-57, 3.68 ERA, 4 CG, 10 SO, 280 BB, 817 K, .257 BAA
(8th in MLB ERA)
We figured 2013 would be a transition year to guide us to eventually having the best rotation in the MLB with 3 of the top 10 SP in it. Little did we know that this raggedy bunch would be a Top 10 rotation in baseball. Harvey surprised us all by not only improving on his solid 2012 but vaulting himself into Cy Young consideration in only his 2nd year. All year long he was fooling batter after batter with his 97+ MPH fastball and a devastating slider that made even the best hitters in the looks look absolutely silly.
It wasn't all him though. After Dillon Gee struggled mightily through April and May with 5.25+ ERA's in both month's, he eventually found his stuff become a lights out pitcher posting 2.73, 2.88, and 2.13 ERA's over the next 3 months showing that maybe we should consider him something more than just a #5 pitcher.
Niese also struggled during the 1st half of the season as he saw his ERA rise and his K rate fall thanks to back issues which led to arm troubles. After taking the month of July off he came back and was excellent posting a 3.00 ERA the rest of the season and getting his K rate back up to a healthy 7.6 K/9.
Outside of a 5 game stretch in June where he posted a 1.80 ERA, Hefner was terrible. Marcum never got going losing 10 of his 12 starts before spending the rest of the season on the DL. Torres proved extremely useful as a reliever (1.47 ERA) but not as useful as a starter (4.89 ERA). Mejia made some strong starts posting a 2.30 ERA on a balky elbow but eventually ended up on the DL as well. Haranag and Matsuzaka were ok in their cups of coffee with the team but Laffey and McHugh were busts.
Lastly, we saw the debut of our 2nd young guy Zack Wheeler. While he did not perform as well as Harvey in his debut, after he got through his first 3 starts, Wheeler did post 2.73 and 3.13 ERA's before reaching his innings limit in September. Following the same path Harvey did, spending this spring with the big league club could lead to a break-out season in 2014.
2014
Starter #1: Jonathan Niese: 11-12, 3.90 ERA, 3.59 FIP, 7.0 K/9, 2.8 BB/9
Starter #2: Zack Wheeler: 11-13, 4.12 ERA, 4.00 FIP, 8.2 K/9, 4.2 BB/9
Starter #3: Bartolo Colon: 12-12, 3.80 ERA, 3.54 FIP, 6.5 K/9, 1.7 BB/9
Starter #4: Dillon Gee: 11-13, 4.17 ERA, 3.92 FIP, 6.6 K/9, 2.6 BB/9
Starter #5: Jenrry Mejia: 12-12, 3.79 ERA, 3.57 FIP, 7.4 K/9, 3.3 BB/9
Starter #3: Bartolo Colon: 12-12, 3.80 ERA, 3.54 FIP, 6.5 K/9, 1.7 BB/9
Starter #4: Dillon Gee: 11-13, 4.17 ERA, 3.92 FIP, 6.6 K/9, 2.6 BB/9
Starter #5: Jenrry Mejia: 12-12, 3.79 ERA, 3.57 FIP, 7.4 K/9, 3.3 BB/9
Wow.....I am very shocked at how poorly STEAMER is projected our rotation to be. I basically do not agree with any of these projections. While the Niese projections is fair, I feel a return to his healthy 2012 is more likely, especially since his K rate towards the end of 2013 did return to his 2012 rate. STEAMER is actually forecasting regression for Wheeler which I just cannot see happening. I like the Colon projection, hate the Gee projection and am surprised by the Mejia projection.
For what its worth another projection system called OLIVER, does not agree with STEAMER either. OLIVER is much higher on Niese, Wheeler, Colon, and Gee, while lower on Mejia. In fact OLIVER projection believe that there will be enough improvement from Niese and Wheeler to make up for the loss of Harvey. Overall, OLIVER is projecting a team SP ERA of 3.81 while STEAMER is projecting 3.96. As to be expected there will be regression from the loss of Harvey but both projections are still in the top half of the MLB and OLIVER's is still a Top 10 rotations.
Plus as a side note. Neither projection takes into account the expected debuts of Syndergaard and Montero so there is a ton of room for upside.
For what its worth another projection system called OLIVER, does not agree with STEAMER either. OLIVER is much higher on Niese, Wheeler, Colon, and Gee, while lower on Mejia. In fact OLIVER projection believe that there will be enough improvement from Niese and Wheeler to make up for the loss of Harvey. Overall, OLIVER is projecting a team SP ERA of 3.81 while STEAMER is projecting 3.96. As to be expected there will be regression from the loss of Harvey but both projections are still in the top half of the MLB and OLIVER's is still a Top 10 rotations.
Plus as a side note. Neither projection takes into account the expected debuts of Syndergaard and Montero so there is a ton of room for upside.
Verdict: Small regression with some HEAVY upside. Eventually could settle at push to slight improvement even without Harvey depending on how well Montero and Syndergaard perform.
Mack - I don't know how to come up with a positive spin on a rotation with the loss of Matt Harvey.
I love the Colon signing, just for the innings he's going to eat. I don't expect Mejia to last the season because guys like him never do.
Projecting a regression for Zack Wheeler is just stupid.
'On paper', due to the loss of Harvey, the Mets rotation is less talented in 2014, but we haven't factored in Syndergaard, Montero, and anyone additional Sandy might sign.
My guess... and it's only a guess... the Mets will hang in there through May and Sandy will throw out the Super 2 when it comes to Montero. Then it could become interesting.
Mack - I don't know how to come up with a positive spin on a rotation with the loss of Matt Harvey.
I love the Colon signing, just for the innings he's going to eat. I don't expect Mejia to last the season because guys like him never do.
Projecting a regression for Zack Wheeler is just stupid.
'On paper', due to the loss of Harvey, the Mets rotation is less talented in 2014, but we haven't factored in Syndergaard, Montero, and anyone additional Sandy might sign.
My guess... and it's only a guess... the Mets will hang in there through May and Sandy will throw out the Super 2 when it comes to Montero. Then it could become interesting.
Colon may literally eat innings if they run out of ice cream at shake shack. Come July, he will never pitch in the majors again. He made his final paycheck which he will bring back to the Dominican. He is extremely out of shape, a year removed from PED's, and will be 41 by July. This signing will end up being terrible. Also, look at the 6 seasons prior to last year...very pedestrian.
ReplyDeleteThe projections for the starting rotation looks very accurate. Not one of them will have a winning season and all ERA's right about 4.
This all makes sense for a team that will probably be +/- 2 games off of last year's win total.
They still need a corner outfield bat and then move Chris Young to CF....they need a SS (Drew)...and they need a legit bullpen arm who also has the ability to close. If they got these three, all of a sudden they'd have a very competitive team, and the Wilpons would actually see a return on investing the extra $20-$25 million to do this versus wasting $25 million in signings for the same production as last year.
I'm going to stay focused on 2015.
ReplyDeleteHarvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard, and Montero could make the Mets rotation one of the top three in the NL.
These Steamer projections are arbitrary horseshit. I'm going to save these projections and also Anonymous' bleak prognostications. Time will tell.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, whomever we have at SP5 will be a huge improvement over Marcum et al. Gee is a good bet to have a much better season, based on his excellent recovery and growth last year. Niese, healthy, should improve, and I'd like to believe in Colon. Add (or three) of the kids to the mix in the second half, and I think that overall, the rotation is improved in '14.
ReplyDeleteAdam -
ReplyDeleteI agree...
This actually is an improved rotation over 2013, Harvey or no Harvey.
Now we need some luck... timely hitting... d'Arnaud, Tejada, Young, Grandy, and Davis hitting .275+
As I said in the past, this rotation can give you six solid innings and give up three or less runs...
the pen and the bats have to take it from there and win a lot of 4-3 and 3-2 games