During the Spring Training lull out here without television coverage a number of topics come to mind among Mets fans. Today I met with a group of regulars mostly in the NYC area for our Thursday night chat session on Zoom. During the meeting after the usual exchange of pleasantries came a few topics of interest that brought some surprising reactions.
The first one was really a bit of an unpredictable one...what to do with the Michael Conforto contract extension. While most people have been laser-focused on Francisco Lindor’s contract and, to a lesser extent, what they will do about pitchers Noah Syndergaard and Marcus Stroman, the assumption has always been the Mets will simply sign their right fielder to a profitable and long term deal that will make him happy and a Met for a very long time.
However, as you start to dig into the details you realize that it may not be quite as simple as folks suggest. First of all, his agent is none other than Scott Boras. Mr. Boras has made his bones on holding out for unreasonable contracts in terms of length and compensation rate. He then plays one club’s offers against another to start a media blaze that will roast whomever doesn’t sign his client to new found riches.
The numbers being bandied about draw parallels to former Houston Astro and current Toronto Blue Jay, George Springer. His new deal will pay him $150 million over a period of six years. For those folks too lazy to get out their calculator, that’s $25 million per year. Take a look at his numbers and you will see he’s been a highly credible player. An average season would include 35 HRs, 93 RBIs, 10 SBs and a .270 AVG. He does that while playing an above average defense in center field.
So folks say think $25 million per year but for eight years since he’s two years younger than Springer and he would proudly claim a $200 million contract for the duration of his next several years. Well, that number seems a bit high given that the offensive output and defensive abilities are a bit below what Springer delivers. Also, factor in that Springer’s money is now Canadian which means it is worth even less than $25 million per season.
That led to the discussion of just how valuable Conforto is to the Mets. I volunteered an unpopular analogy of someone who was not highly regarded by the fans and manned left field, Kevin McReynolds. He spent six years with the Mets during which he averaged 23 HRs, 87 RBIs and a .265 AVG along with 10 SBs. Do you think he sniffed that kind of money? Granted, it was in the 80s and 90s when he played, but his top salary was $3.7 million during one season with Kansas City. No one mourned when he left, but you get the feeling all hell would break loose if a highly similar player in Conforto was somehow allowed to leave.
Now it gets even stranger. Everyone says there are no high profile outfielders due to be free agents next year and no one seems to embrace that antiquated concept of trades. So who would fill that positional vacancy if he left?
Deep breath…
In 2022 the Mets will have a new 2nd baseman by the name of Robinson Cano. Yes, that same Robinson Cano who is enjoying a salary-free 2021 courtesy of his syringe. The Mets are obligated to pay him two more seasons, so for one year he might be the interim solution. Jeff McNeil could move back to left field and Dom Smith could move to right. The Mets save $200 million and field the players they are kind of obligated to pay and use.
Now if a new Collective Bargaining Agreement makes the DH a real position in the NL, that changes things dramatically. Pete Alonso could be a DH, Dom Smith could move to 1st and then you really do need an outfielder. If you went with a J.D. Davis type at DH, then you have a vacancy to fill at third base.
The fact is that not keeping Conforto would be a tough pill to swallow, but if the price is in that $200 million range, I would wish him well, give him a nice toy at his sendoff and after having him turn down a qualifying offer, try to select a prime future prospect. Personally I think it’s more important to spend on the pitching staff than it is to try to keep a very good but not best-in-the-game type of player when he will command closer to best-in-the-game type of compensation.
Reese, you raise this issue excellently.
ReplyDeleteA lot of it comes down to Conforto. Does he want to be part of this team going forward, or will it ALL be about the Benjamins, baby?
Because the Crow could be here before you know it. My guess is opening day 2023, mid 2023 the latest, or they would not have played him so much this spring. He will be a starting player, as long as his bat is good. Remarkably, he held his own in his short sample of ABs this spring, which is encouraging.
Bottom line is Cohen has the money to pay for whomever he wants. He chose to not bust the cap this year - I think he blasts thru it next year.
Fans like Conforto - but who else will be available as a free agent should they decide to not sign Conforto but did decide to sign someone else?
I could see Cano as a DH next year, not an OF. With Vientos and Mauricio coming along rapidly, Cano will not get the Wilpon treatment - he may be cut, or may come back and if he hits, move him at a discount to open up space mid-2022 for Mauricio and Vientos.
By mid-2022, there will start quite possibly to be too many hitters.
We'll see how this young guys hit this year. I think by this time next year, the Mets could have 6-8 guys in Baseball's top 100 prospects. Quality is coming.
Conforto is a little overrated by "the fans" -- whoever they are -- right now.
ReplyDeleteSidenote: Bloggers are not "the fans" and people like me, obsessed with every detail, are not representative either.
The fan, to me, is the guy with a Mets hat who lives down the block. You chat and he says something about Jake. You casually mention a prospect who had an interesting winter season in Australia and he looks at you blankly.
He's the real fan, much more representative of a typical fan than the freaks burning up Twitter.
Back to Conforto: It's tricky, because he's overrated right now. And Boras is only doing his job, to get him the best possible money.
I'd try to sign him at value -- no way 8 years, that's silly -- and somewhere close to a $20 AAV. If he walks away from 5/$110, you have to say, hey, we'll see you on the open market.
Maybe he tears it up in 2021 and it gets expensive. Maybe he only hits like . . . Michael Conforto.
I want to pay him "Very, Very Good" numbers not "Elite" numbers.
Jimmy
I would offer Conforto 8 years 23 mil a year. So a total of $184 million.
ReplyDeleteLindor 10 year 320 mil, so 32 a year. We may have to go up to 12 years guaranteed for him? So add 50 mil for last 2 years to lower the yearly dollar amount a little. So $370 mil contract so it would be a 30.8 per yearly average. Then he goes into the Hall a Met.
Syndergarrd I would offer a 5 year $110 mil and pray for him to grow into his potential that we’ve all been expecting.
Then I would open up discussion with (in this order) McNiel, Dom Smith and Alonso to sign some team friendly extensions. If none of these 3 sign then they become trade bait over the next 2 years because like Tom said we have some more bats coming up in the minors.
Also Cano will get. Ought out next year.
The BIG difference now is Cohen will pay for quality players so you couple that with a revamped FO focused on using all avenues to build this club and it leaves me with a warm fuzzy feeling. I think the focus has to be on signing Lindor or Cohen will come off as looking alot like Wilpon which shouldn't matter in the long run but then why did we trade for him? Following that signing Thor and Stroman are priorities because to compete in the very tough NL East we must be strong on the mound.
ReplyDeleteReese, let’s start with Springer CF play, which was ranked 16th last year out of 22 qualifiers. Springer’s games played in CF, 2017-2020:
ReplyDelete84, 80, 75, 42. That’s it. We see him starting there in the playoffs, but he came up a right fielder. Didn’t play CF his first three years. He’s good, but usually plays about 130-ish games as he’s good for a summer breakdown per year. And that was in his prime!
Conforto’s numbers are less, not much, but they are. Conforto is two years younger and only missed time twice for injuries. I don’t know that I’d give him that deal, but it’s closer than you say.
And Blue Jays pay in U$D. They have to.
Nice piece, Reese. I agree with you that Conforto's career #s don't warrant a Springer contract, but I do think that nasty shoulder injury set him back for more than a year. I think he winds up being better than he was in 2018-2019, not as good as last season. As to what that might be worth, that's an excellent question. Being the top free-agent outfielder next year probably makes it more tempting not to sign
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