Question – Should the Mets pick up the
option on infielder Astrubel Cabrera?
Clay Ramsey says –
Definitely
not. He has indicated that he doesn't want to be in New York anymore. No use in
spending money on a person like that. Plus I think there will be better utility
infielders in Free Agency.
Eddie Corona –
2018 is a season filled with questions allover the
Diamond. There are too many wholes to fill to realistically believe we can
contend. However what we must to is reestablish a new core. Most of that core
is young and influential. That is
perhaps the biggest reason we should not pick up Cabrera option. Ignoring the
fact that he had severely under performed, is a year older and had degraded to
the point where offensively and defensively he is a liability, the biggest
reason not to have him back is he is such a bad person in the club house. He
has proven not to be a team first guy and has been difficult to deal with.
We
need rebuild in culture as well as in talent. Cabrera has no role on this
team...
Hobie
says –
The
short answer, “no,” would be dependent on some calculation involving team
chemistry. Since (1) I have no first-hand knowledge to support an opinion in
this area, and (2) second hand knowledge says that type of criteria drove out
J.Turner, I will leave the chemistry discussion to those privy to the shower stalls
and our own Jacques Derrida to deconstruct post-game comments as necessary.
The
longer (by one letter) answer is “yes.” That comes with conditions too. If I
knew in advance who might be procured for 2018 at 3B (my choice is a short term
patch, trading for Adrian Beltre) I would not be as inclined. I could still
live with an aging, expensive, MINF back-up and switch-hitting PH'er, however,
so I say yes. Worst case Asdrubel (my wife & I argue over whether we should
have named any of our kids Asdrubel) is our regular 3B. That’s my hedge.
Lineup:
Rosario, Conforto, Cespedes, Beltre, D.Smith, Flores. Legares/Nimmo,
TdA/Plawecki (slashes share 50/50). Bench: Asdrubel, TJ & Victor Cruzado
:-).
Peter Hyatt says –
"By
all that is good in life and baseball; no. There has been a serious trade off regarding
his talent and his negative impact upon others.
He can be an offensive threat and once he found no takers in a new
relationship, he showed signs of inspired play at 2B and even 3B. Somewhat streaky, he could still fill in with
.260 and with power, but it is his "net negative" that concerns me
most. He is clubhouse poison.
Cabrera's
words revealed what others have said or hinted at. As his skills have declined, it has become
"his brain is writing checks his body cannot cash"; in other words,
there is a disconnect between age, diminishing skills, and his value. He heard the critics about his play at SS and
responded, initially, with solid play.
Thus, when age (body) showed cracks, instead of adjusting (brain), he
went the other direction and it revealed arrogance.
Confidence is value; arrogance is
negative.
Example: Reyes recognized that he was not capable of
doing things he could do when he was younger.
As he became more accepting to Rosario back up, his play improved. This improvement is not comparable to years
gone by, but it is safer play. When he
was given too much time (when Alderson announced the delay of promoting
Rosario), Reyes got worse; his base running arrogance cost us, as did his defense. He took foolish (show boating) risks on
ground balls and pop ups; to "show" he was till the Jose Reyes of
yesteryear.
Some
players remain at a very high level of excellence past 34 not only due to
genetics, but the ability to adjust the brain to the body's slightly increased
limitations. Grandy did this and Wright
hopes to. But these players also have
the humility necessary to adjust. For
some, the humility is personality (best) while others are humiliated by the
game, itself (the worse).
Grandy
is the former, Cabrera is the latter except he refuses to accept it. It is not comfortable to him because it is
not part of his personality.
Grandy
is a great influence on young players; Cabrera is a terrible influence.
It
is not worth his bat.
Jack Flynn says –
The
option is a no-brainer. The Mets are going to need to sign multiple free agents
to compete next season, and Cabrera is a relatively low-cost backup plan for
second base or third base. If the Mets are able to sign or trade for more established
players at those positions, it shouldn't be hard to find a trade partner for a
veteran like Cabrera on a one-year deal.
Tom Brennan says –
I
would rather have Neil Walker back, if we could get him reasonable enough. He
was superb for the 6 weeks before his hammy put him on the DL for the following
6 weeks. We need bona fide, assured
quality that Neil Walker would be highly likely to provide the Mets rather than
the iffy performance one might expect of Cabrera next season.
David Rubin says –
If
this question had been asked in the 2016-2017 off-season, I would have said
"without fail" as I believed Cabrera a positive force in the dugout
with plenty left in the tank and the ability to play a few infield positions-
not to mention a semi-lethal power bat. What a difference a day makes...or a
year, in this case. Cabrera became somewhat of a divisive presence in the
clubhouse mid-way thru this horrible season, for a time even refusing to pull
off the helmets of players who just homered upon getting back to the dugout, a
ritual he himself had initiated. He, of course, was upset because he wanted his
option for 2018 picked up by the team, something they seemed on the fence about
until he himself apparently pushed his way off of the team with his perceived
selfishness. His initial refusal to try playing third or second was petty,
coming at a time when the fanbase, if not the organization themselves, were
desperate for the promotion of top prospect and fellow shortstop, Amed Rosario.
If it's to be believed that the front office didn't want Rosario up at a time
when the clubhouse was divided, and Cabrera was, indeed, the force behind this,
then nothing he could do over the last month of the season could create
forgiveness enough to want him back in orange and blue in '18. From a more
"tangible" standpoint, there is a logjam of middle infielders all
clamoring for a chance at a big league promotion/roster spot, including
Reynolds, Cecchini, Guillorme, et al. At this poiint, one would surmise that
Jose Reyes, at a very minor sum, will be brought back as the prime infield
back-up/veteran presence on the bench, as the team went from one of the oldest
in the game to one of the youngest. While Reyes' recent history is FAR from
clean, he remains beloved by the organization, a huge portion of the fan-base
has accepted him again, and the fact that his contract should be very
reasonable (even by Wilpon standards) while serving as an idol/role model to
Rosario means that there is no place in the New World Mets Order of 2018.
So
long, Asdrubal, and thanks for the fish...
Chris Soto says –
When
making this decision essentially you need to ask yourself these 2
questions....A) Can I find a better 2B or 3B for less than or equal to $6.5M
and B) If the answer to (A) is Yes...Can Cabby contribute $6.5M worth of value
(aka a +1.5-ish WAR) to the 2018 team from the bench. For me the answer to both
is No.....therefore.....YES I am picking up Cabrera's 2018 option for $8.5M
instead of paying him $2.0M to walk away.
However,
that said, IF (....big if....) the club can somehow figure out a way to swing a
trade for a quality 3B from a rebuilding team BEFORE the option decision
deadline passes, this decision becomes an automatic NO.
Those
type of options are extremely limited in nature though and seem incredibly
unlikely, but, there is two options out there. A) Texas 3B Adrian Beltre and B)
Toronto Blue Jay 3B Josh Donaldson. Both guys will be in their final year of
team control (Beltre via contract, Donaldson via 4th/final year of arbitration)
making $18M and $17M respectively. Both teams also have big name prospects that
can step in at 3B either immediately or within the next year if an opening
occurs in Joey Gallo/Jurickson Profar and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. The asking
price for both though will be high and would easily require the Mets to dip
into their already limited SP depth.
Gary Seagram says –
NO
as whatever he will be next season surely wouldn't be enough to put us over the
top anyway so if were looking at another long season we need to focus on the
youngsters playing warts and all to know what we have to do to build toward
2019 and to assess the much better free agent class. Big question is will TC be
back? He would be the last choice to run a young club.
Reese Kaplan says –
There's a parallel question here -- WILL they bring
Cabrera back? That needs to be answered
first. The "Should they bring
Cabrera back?" assumes the Mets would act the way a club that wants to win would behave.
Let's address the "Will they"
part first.
There
are an awful of lot of “ifs” associated with this seemingly simple yes/no
question:
IF
Jose Reyes is back…then probably no as you don’t need two veteran infielders
“just in case”.
IF
David Wright is able to play…then probably not because you have Wilmer Flores,
T.J. Rivera and Gavin Cecchini all available to play 2B.
IF
Sandy Alderson is back…then probably yes because he won’t want to admit he made
a mistake on the character side of the player evaluation prior to extending him
a contract.
IF
Alderson is gone…then likely no as the new GM would likely want to purge the
team of the failures of the previous regime as much as possible.
IF
Terry Collins is still here…then resoundingly “No!” because he won’t be able to
control himself by benching better options simply because they have less
experience.
Now
onto the "Should they" part. I assume they will not bring in a high priced
player such as Mike Moustakas or trade for Manny Machado as long as the Wright
situation remains unresolved. Therefore
I’m going into 2018 with Wilmer Flores and T.J. Rivera on my infield with Gavin
Cecchini or Matt Reynolds and Jose Reyes as my backups. I say bye-bye to Mr. Cabrera.
Come
to think of it, if they DO surprisingly bring in a high priced infielder,
that’s even more reason to part ways with Cabrera. His offense is inconsistent, his defense
ranging from horrible to adequate, he offers no speed and is part of that
coterie of veteran ballplayers that don’t necessarily act like they’re a part
of a team-first solution. Cutting ties
with a malcontent sends a message to the others – especially the one in left
field – that no one is bigger than the team.
