Back in the day when
the Mets were facing innumerable and seemingly insurmountable problems they
extended the contract of their young superstar, David Wright. No one could have predicted how his health
would betray him, but the fact remains it was a questionable business decision
given the alternative of trading him to replenish the farm with prospects and
saving the $138 million they committed to paying him. I bring this up not to beat a dead horse but
because the parallel situation is evolving right now as the Mets face pitchers
approaching that pivotal point in their careers when you have to decide whether
to lock them up long term or to trade them away for prospects.
There have been
rumblings around the media that the Mets should consider shopping Jacob de Grom
and perhaps Noah Syndergaard to accelerate the rebuilding process. For purposes of these hypothetical
transactions let’s leave Matt Harvey out of the equation as he has pretty much
no value until he heals completely.
There have been many
recent cases of young star pitchers traded perhaps too soon. Sometimes the rationale is that you’re
selling high on a player coming off a terrific year. Sometimes it’s the old Branch Rickey thing
about trade ‘em a year too soon rather than a year too late (as is the case of
pending free agents). Sometimes you want
to get out from under say a catcher who has just turned 30 and is likely to
decline rapidly. Often it is simply about the money. Oakland and Montreal seemed to make it a
business model to develop players until they were about to become expensive and
then trade them for whatever they could get.
In general, when a
team trades away a young, star quality pitcher the results have not been
good. Let’s take a look at a few of
these types of transactions:
Tom Seaver – As a
Mets media venue, you almost have to start with Tom Seave who, although aged
32, still had several years of quality pitching ahead of him. He was obviously in the money category as
justification for the Midnight Massacre trade.
If you can get past the fact that he was “The Franchise”, the Mets did
get an interesting return. Pat Zachry
had been co-holder of Rookie of the Year honors, Steve Henderson was a Rookie
of the Year candidate, Doug Flynn was a 2nd baseman in the mold of
shortstops like Bud Harrelson whose stellar defense outshined mediocre
offense. Only Dan Norman didn’t amount
to much of anything. Still, if you asked
1000 Mets fans about that trade, maybe 1 would concede it wasn’t half bad. Well, maybe not even 1.
Believe it or not for
Mets fans it could be worse. Suppose you
traded away outfielder Leroy Stanton, pitcher Don Rose, catcher Francisco
Estrada and a hard throwing young pitcher to land All Star 3rd
baseman? That doesn’t sound half bad until
you fill in the names Nolan Ryan and Jim Fregosi. Double ugh!
A former Met was
traded twice as a young pitcher – once from the Dodgers for 2nd
baseman Delino Deshields and then later from the Expos for Carl Pavano and Tony
Armas, Jr. I think in both cases the
Dodgers and Expos would wish they had instead held onto Pedro Martinez.
One Met trade that probably would have worked out as
even or perhaps in the team’s favor was when they traded David Cone to the
Toronto Blue Jays for 2nd baseman Jeff Kent and outfielder Ryan
Thompson. Yes, Cone did eventually win a
Cy Young Award upon his return to Kansas City, but Jeff Kent won an MVP while
playing for the Giants. (Of course, it’s
not a total bust of a return for the Mets as they, ahem, wisely parlayed Jeff
Kent and Jose Vizcaino for the immortal Alvaro Espinosa and a prematurely washed-up
Carlos Baerga.
Personality conflicts with the manager or owner can
precipitate a trade and that was the case that saw young Steve Carlton shipped
to Philadelphia for Rick Wise. The
former Phillie had a respectable career from that point forward, going 113-105
with a 3.74 ERA. Carlton, of course, went
252-181 with a 3.22 ERA for the remainder of his career while winning four Cy
Young awards.
No list of dubious trades could be complete without
the Big Unit, Randy Johnson. The first
time around the Mariners traded homegrown Mark Langston and Mike Campbell to Montreal
for Johnson, Gene Harris and Brian Holman.
That’s one for sure that the Expos would like a do-over. Then the Mariners thought they could peddle
the big guy to Houston where they received three minor leaguers – Freddy Garcia,
John Halama and Carlos Guillen. Guillen
was the best of the three and Halama had a long but mediocre career. .
The Baltimore Orioles
never quite got out of Jake Arrieta what they had hoped and sent him along with
reliever Pedro Strop to the Cubbies for Scott Feldman and Steve Clevenger. Ouch.
The Milwaukee Brewers
once decided it was worth a roll of the dice to trade pitcher Zack Greinke to
the Angels for infield prospect Jean Segura and two other warm bodies. Segura turned out to be a pretty solid player
but Greinke was one of the top five pitchers in baseball.
One that might make
the Mets fans feel a little better about their front office personnel is the
Tampa Bay Rays trade of David Price to Toronto for Daniel Norris, Matt Boyd and
Jairo Labourt. Phew!
Finally, one last
stinker – the Chicago White Sox traded perennial All Star Chris Sale for a
package including Yoan Moncada, Michael Kopech, Luis Basabe and Victor
Diaz. All Sale has done is lead the Red Sox
with a 17-7 record and a 2.75 ERA. It
may be too soon to call this one a clear cut disaster, but Moncada being the
centerpiece of the trade hasn’t helped much by batting just .236 for the White
Sox (though he is just 22 years old).
Yes, trading de Grom
and/or Syndergaard could bring back 3-4 top level prospects, but it’s always a
crap shoot. After all, when the Red Sox
needed relief help they thought they solved the problem when they gave away
some minor leaguer named Bagwell to the Astros for 37 year old Larry.Anderson. Or then there’s the time the Tigers needed a
veteran pitcher and the Braves sacrificed Doyle Alexander for a guy named
Smoltz.
Considering the Mets track record in trades, you’d probably be very
afraid to pull the trigger on such a deal.
There are not too many Neil Allen for Keith Hernandez type stories in
the win column.
4 comments:
WE BEAT THE NAT'S LAST NIGHT!!! Oh wait but it was their "B" team or wait maybe it was their "C" team or upon further review probably their "D" team which goes to show just how far we have fallen as were not even in the conversation about the best team in our own division and wow does 2015 seem like 20 years ago. Now if any of us really believe we have a chance next year I'd keep DeGrom and Thor but knowing what I know of this FO I have NO faith next year will be anything more than seeing whether our pitching staff will return to health and performance AND our superstar left fielder can play not limp through more than 81 games or were toast and then it's a complete rebuild and they might as well put out feeler's on what Jake and Noah would bring back.
Last year, and even earlier this year, Mets wanted to blow up the catcher position. Cast Plawecki and Travis into outer darkness, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Well, the trio of those two plus Rene Rivera, while a Met, have 25 homers and 86 RBIs in the catcher position this year. Still want that stick of TNT?
Have you ever sold a stock holding you are sick of watching it floundering? Felt good, what a relief, but then it skyrockets. Whoops. Always proceed, but with caution, because you may find that you are calling yourself STUPID, STUPID, STUPID after being impulsive!
But...Terry can definitely go, of course
He can take Juan Lagares, Matt Reynolds, Asdrubel Cabrera and almost the entire bullpen with him.
The Hernandez deal was for Allen and Rick Owenby, right?
Reese, Lagares batting eighth won't hurt the Mets and with his glove will help the Mets win many games. The problem is that Nimmo is the one that can lead off and so CF seems to be the obvious spot.
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