12/29/24

MACK - MY Sunday Observations

 


Good morning.

Today, we shift from defense to pitcher injuries. Major League Baseball recently issued a 62-page study where they observed and documented pitcher injuries.

Pitchers that were targets were ones that had both higher velocity and overall talent while exerting maximum effort more often, both in-game and in non-game situations.

( https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/43026688/mlb-study-identifies-factors-rise-pitching-injuries ) -

Over 200 experts were interviewed for this study. They included:      

Former professional pitchers, orthopedic surgeons, athletic trainers, club officials, biomechanists, player agents, amateur baseball stakeholders, and other experts in pitcher development.

You walk away from this study with the following results:      

1.     Chasing velocity is the No. 1 contributing factor to pitching injuries

2.     Tracking pitchers during the season was easy to do

3.     Doing the same during the off-season wasn’t

4.     Injuries spike during the spring, leading to speculation that not many pitchers come to camp properly prepared for the next season

5.     Another off-season concern is pitchers that overwork themselves, specifically working on new pitches.

6.     Regarding speed, the average increase in fastball velocity has completely paralleled the increased incidence of injury

7.     Concern for including horizontal and vertical break and spin rate makes one wonder how much new obsession there is to analytics.

8.     Major league pitchers didn’t seem to take these issues seriously and risked injuries using dangerous pitches because they thought that the reward of using those pitches totally outweighed any risks.

9.     This same kind of dangerous pitching happened in the minors.

10. The belief is pitching at a major league level throws all the concern for injuries in the trash bin.

11. Pitchers that know they won’t pitch many innings tend to use maximum effort, leading to future injuries.

12. Moreover, reduced usage could contribute to injuries.

13. Found a trend that minor league pitchers were not properly prepared for the rigors of a major league grind (workload,  innings limits, more rest between appearances).

14. Minor league pitchers are not being properly exposed to ‘back-to-back’ performances.

15. There seems to be a deemphasis of concern for cardiovascular and endurance training for pitchers.

16. Instead, the training is more in the form of "power-and strength-focused training".

17. There is too much heavy lifting and far less anaerobic training than in the past.

18. Pitcher injury history can be a predictor for future injury.

19. More players are becoming susceptible to another injury as they climb the amateur and professional ranks.

20. Pitchers out of the draft have been pitching year-round. Early round pitchers have been doing this for three years. The wear and tear on their pitching arms starts there, not in the majors.

21. It is inconclusive if the recent rules changes contribute less or more towards injuries.

22. There is no evidence that the new pitch count is a factor here; however, slowing the game down may contribute to more injuries since the pitcher has more time to focus to throwing at maximum effort pitch after pitch.

23. Early season or spring training injured list placements points to the pitch clock having little to do with injuries.

24. COVID may have had a lasting impact on pitchers.

25. Changes in training routines may have helped spike injuries over the past three seasons.

26. Regarding surgeries, there are “incorrect perceptions" of surgery may provide a false sense of security for players.

27. Pitchers might be willing to risk it all, thinking surgery can always create an opportunity to come back as strong, or even more.

28. This is especially true when it comes to Tommy John Surgery. Pitchers seem to be willing to sacrifice their elbows because of their belief that this procedure can fix it, especially quicker than in the past.

29. The addition of the new internal brace doesn’t seem to be helping.

30. Fact – 20% of pitchers that have TJS never make it back.

31. Emphasis on speed or addition of junk pitches, at an early age, contributes to youth injuries.

32. People get stronger… ligaments don’t.

33. Youth pitchers actually rip the bone off their elbow due to the growth plate being weaker than the ligament.

 

Jerry Blevins        @jerryblevins

This is the main reason why I never started doing the newest training for velocity. I knew I could pitch MLB level with my velocity and have minimal arm issues. I was worried that if I added velocity, my body couldn’t maintain a 162-game season.

 

Me?

This is a lot to take in. It’s great to see that this is being studied. Now, you are going to have to find some young pitcher and tell him he no longer can throw as hard as he can.

How many years have I been harping on this? Chasing velo and middle field defense.

Did you ever wonder if a pitcher can’t keep up his speed into the third time around the lineup, how in the hell is he supposed to keep it up after thirty years old?

Sure there are many exceptions, but the fact remains that there is a sizable percentage of young pitchers that do nothing more than attempt to hit the 100 mark, simply burn out in less than five years.

One of my favorite pitches was a fairly fast one that a pitcher would thrown towards the body of the batter, but at the last few moments it would come back into the edges of the zone. Totally unhittable. Always called a strike. Mike Pelfrey used to throw it early on in his career.

I have no idea how fact it went… maybe 90… but it could have been 60 and it still wouldn’t have been able to be hit.

Look at Roki Sasaki. He throws two pitches… fast and faster.

So far he has missed more than half of the 2023 season to an oblique injury (throwing only 91 innings), missed most of the 2024 season with a right arm injury (threw only 111 innings), and had his velocity drop from 98.9 to 96.9.

And yet the baseball world now considers him the second coming of Bob Gibson.

Sometimes I see very little of the game I grew up with.

 

Analytic Facts –

Luisangel Acuña.

Had a max exit velo of 109.8 in 2024 on 136 ML pitches.

Actually ticked up from his 109.6 in the minors in 2024

Below average O-Swing%

Tripled his AAA barrel% up to 9.1% with the Mets.

95th percentile sprint speed

Put up 3 full OAA at SS/2B in limited defensive time


 Jett Williams

Looked like one of the best batters in the minors, though it was a minimal 112 pitch role.

Had one of the lowest chase rates in all of MiLB (O-Swing%)

But also one of the lowest in-zone swing rates (Z-Swing%).

26.7% walk rate

.533 OBP


Nolan McLean

BA had him rated with a 130 stuff+ on his slider, the best in any NL arms.

Overall stuff+ mark of 113 ranks him 2nd behind Philly RHP Moises Chace (119).

2024 slider at 85.1 with average 2,900-rpm and 14” glove-side movement.

 

Monday brought an early morning pre-Christmas eve present.

32-year old LHSP Sean Manaea signed a new contract with the Mets… 3-years, $75mil in total

We don’t have to spend any time discussing his stat line. We know this guy.

Me?

1.     Manaea immediately slots into the SP2 role, behind Kodai Senga

2.     Going forward, I show the following rotations:

a.     Starting five: Kodai Senga, Sean Manaea, David Peterson, Frankie Montas, and Clay Holmes

b.     SP6-8 candidates: Tyler Megill, Griffin Canning, and Paul Blackburn (I would slot Canning into the SP6 and use him as a long man, move Megill also to the pen, and have Blackburn as my SP1 in AAA-Syracuse)

3.     Great clubhouse guy

4.     Best friends with Frankie Montas

5.     Nothing to dislike here

 

Lastly…

I didn’t expect to write about Pete Alonso this week, but I can’t stay away from what I am feeling about this right now.

I’m assuming the rumored offer of 3yr/$90mil is accurate. Let’s also assume Boras’s desire to secure a contract for his client that lasts into the next decade is also true. It’s hard for me to believe any team is going to pay someone this long that is basically a one-dimensional player. And… he didn’t even do that well last season.

The 2025 Mets will be the Lindor/Soto Mets, with Vientos rising. These are the star bats on this team.

Don’t get me wrong. I love what Alonso has done for this team and I’d love to have him back next season but hold steady with the three-year offer.

Right now, Alonso’s future with this team may be being determined with all these rumored additions of new third basemen. And let’s not forget the rumors of the Mets desire to sign Vladimir Guerrero Jr. or the development of top 5 prospect Ryan Clifford.

There are long term options to solve the need for a first basemen into the 2030’s.


37 comments:

Reese Kaplan said...

It's an interesting end of the roster redevelopment. First come relief pitchers and second bench players. Concurrently are the resolution of the starting rotation, the infield corners, the DH and swallowing hard to admit that 4th and 5th outfielders who are known more for their gloves than bats are the viable starters for CF.

Mack Ade said...

The true outcome of this team in 2025 may not be what they already have done but what they do from now on.

Tom Brennan said...

I still am excited by the rest of this off-season with Cohen/Stearns. With Wilpons/Alderson, dread.

They left out one on pitchers…sheer overworked. My brother threw incredibly too much as a teen, sometimes starting and completing 4 starts a week, and the shoulder blew. Otherwise, I bet he makes the majors.

I am looking forward to McLean 2025. May he remain healthy and durable.

I can’t wait to say, “Siri, why does Siri strike outso much?”

Tom Brennan said...

BTW, that is quite the list of pitcher potholes.

Mack Ade said...

I too think that "John" McLean will climb that Japanese tower this season

Mack Ade said...

And yet the hottest free agent out there is a 1) young 2) speedball that 3) throes as hard as he can every pitch. Yet someone will give him an 8+ year contract

RVH said...

Excited for next season: here is my To Do list (assumes Pete holds out for 5-6 year deal & walks): 1. Trade for Yandy Diaz, 2. Sign Tanner Scott 3. Start all kids in AAA to get off to good starts & resign Iglasis, 4. Try to trade Marte & cash for Montgomery or keep Marte (can release or trade in season if he fails & one of the kids steps up), 5. Sign Winker as LH DH option, 6. Roki is gravy. Give a little time for McNeil & Marte to rebound & for the kids to develop. Also, consider signing Andrew Chafin to replace Young as the 2nd lefty.

Mack Ade said...

Aggressive. Which position is most important?

Tom Brennan said...

RVH is on fire! My concern is a Tanner Scott goes to the Phillies. If wecan prevent that by signing him, we are the NL East team to beat.

Mack Ade said...

Takes two to tango

RVH said...

My priority is a combo of 1B (Yandy or Pete) & a strong compliment to Diaz at the back end of the bullpen. Overpay Tanner Scott & get another high leverage closer & a lefty of key situations (Othani, Harper, Freeman, Olson, etc), Diaz was killing us late last year when he went wild in the playoffs. Love him it we need more. Iglesias is the best insurance policy for the kids & doesn’t cost much. If we can pay Channing & Blackburn $4M we can pay iglasis too. Acuna, Williams, Mauriciomore time in AAAfor their individual reasons. They must play.

Mack Ade said...

You still didn't target ONE

RVH said...

Fair point: #1 is settle 1B issue. (It was listed as #1 on the list)

Mack Ade said...

Have to say that I did expect more chatter here on the guts of this post

Tom Brennan said...

The Mets have had a long, long history of arms blowing up due to Tommy John. Christian Scott being the latest. One cannot get too enthused by pitching prospects. Just ask Matt Allan, who is starring in the next Mission Impossible flick. Harvey, Syndergaard, Matz, Jake, Wheeler….lots of time off with pay.

Tom Brennan said...

Acuna’s game is not going to be HR-heavy, so I hope his focus is just hitting the ball hard, getting doubles and triples, and getting on base. His top exit velocity is nice, but he won’t be the next Altuve.

Tom Brennan said...

Just 147 extra base hits in the minors-in 2278 PAs is low for Acuna, so he needs lots of singles and speed. In contrast, post-COVID 2020, Vientos averaged better than an extra base hit every 8 PAs in the minors, or about twice Acuna’s rate.

RVH said...

Such an interesting year for so many reasons: Yr 5 of the Cohen era, finally got the biggest fish FA, WS contender expectations, still have some old deals on the books, kids maturing, albeit it slowly, & need to make room soon, & can’t have too many breaking in at the same time, have a few big holes to fill & have to be careful not to screw with long term payroll. Thank goodness we have Stearns & Steve as this is a math / physics problem that requires deft hands & a bit of good luck. So exciting to finally have an offseason like this after all these years. Funny how baseball is still a kids game but such a complex business. Remember how simple it was back in the day & our advanced play was Strat-O-Magic baseball?!

Steve said...

Don't want to speak for RVH, but I believe there is not a ONE. Need to solve the corner infield question. Whether it is getting a first baseman or getting a third baseman and moving Vientos to first base Also need to improve the bullpen. Additional depth is needed. I would like to see an additional infield depth.
I believe that the first base question will linger until later January. Stearns and Alonso waiting to see if the other blinks first.
Regarding pitching injuries. I believe pitchers are throwers as opposed to pitching artists of the past. Which now leads us to the report in the beginning of this article.

Mack Ade said...

Strat-O-Magic???

Hell, I go back to putting my rookie Mantle baseball card in the spokes of my Schwin

Mack Ade said...

that baseball study taught me one thing

the enemy is not the coaches

it's the young pitchers

RVH said...

Haha, damn auto correct - Strat-O-Matic!!! Steve, I’m with you. Need multiple things to complete the package. Don’t think there needs to be an “order of operations” to get this done. I do find it frustrating that every year it seems that we do leave some obvious gaps (think left handed RP depth) & then we have to add marginal guys at the deadline to get incremental but important depth for the playoff run for prospect capital. I don’t see the dodgers or Yankees doing that. There is no reason at all that we should be either. It’s a new day with the rise of the mega-teams & we need to move fast (& likely still slightly overpay on the margins to complete the team until we have MLB-ready prospect capital ready at the beginning of each season. We are likely one year away from being where Cohen & Stearns want in that regard so just get moving on the long tail list of “to-dos” at this point.

Mack Ade said...

I can tell you this

Stearns/Steve do NOT work on one thing at a time

as for Pete... he turned down a 7 yr deal... now a 3 year deal

I should say his agent did

there always is a chance he won't get a third

Rds 900. said...

The thought of signing Iglesias is not a good idea. Expect Acuna to make the team which makes Iglesias redundant.

TexasGusCC said...

Yesterday I commented that if the Mets hold to just three years, Alonso can have many suitors at that length. Right now, he is asking for the moon but as the years come down more teams will jump into the fray. The Mets should either shit or get off the pot. The Astros moved on from Bregmann and the Mets can move on from Alonso. I’m not a fan of the other options, and I don’t think Guerrero is that much better than Alonso. The Mets need to maintain some payroll flexibility and it may have to be from the first base position.

As for the pitching injuries analysis offered in the article, every person wants to succeed. We all push ourselves passed our limits in order to do a job. These guys aren’t any different. Whether it’s football and the CTE injuries that were basically a by-product of the occupation, or the TJS injuries that come with pitching, the athlete must accept them as an occupational hazard in order to achieve the promised land. We all would do the same.

TexasGusCC said...

I agree Ray. The kids need a chance to play.

Mack Ade said...

Also agree

Love what the OMG guy did but time marches on

Mack Ade said...

I don't think it's the Mets that need to shit

It's Bor-ASS

TexasGusCC said...

Tanner Scott will want to close. Don’t see that happening. Don’t want retreads like Andrew Chafin. Lavender getting hurt sucked and now he’s on the Rays. The Mets don’t have a second option in that area. I would wait a bit and see what left handed starters are left without starting options late in January and see if I could get one of them to join the bullpen. My problem is that whoever you put in that role, you need more than one more because Mendoza uses these guys like toilet tissue and pulls his starters too quickly, thus taxing the relievers.

Ernest Dove said...

New wave of better prospects thanks to analytics resources to come. The current darlings of metrics stats right now include Carson Benge a description Jesus Baez.

TexasGusCC said...

Mack, Boras is doing his job. My point about the Astros is that they made a decision on their free agent and pivoted. The Mets lack of pivot also shows a decision, but sticking to three years and thinking Pete wouldn’t have a ton of this options is very arrogant. It’s almost like saying ‘we are comfortable with a one year stop gap plan’.

TexasGusCC said...

Ernest, I saw the Baseball Savant pages on Reddit for those two guys. It was incredible to see those guys percentiles. Eye popping!

TexasGusCC said...

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewYorkMets/comments/1hjvdmr/mets_prospects_2024_savant_pages/#lightbox

Gary Seagren said...

It all comes down to trusting Cohen/Sterns and I think we all do. Collect arms and let Hefner figure it out or of course the trade deadline. We old fans are not used to thinking this way but I love it. As far as Scott goes does he want to be on a winner if not we don't need him. Much more to come and I love that too.

Viper said...

I would have signed Santana to play 1b/dh and when Santana plays 1B, use Batty as the DH to see if his bat could be resurrected.
Or
Would the Cardinals make a deal around Batty + for Arenado while the Mets sign a power bat for the DH position?.

Remember1969 said...

I remember reading about how Tom Seaver always concentrated on strengthening his lower body - he ran and did other leg exercises. His power came from his pushing off his legs. Syndergaard came along and did upper body weight lifting. Today's pitchers could learn a little bit from Seaver and the other greats of the past.

Also, learning to pitch does not mean striking out every batter. Just a small sample, but Bob Gibson's career K/9 ratio was 7.2, Seaver was 6.8, and Jim Palmer was just 5.0 strikeouts per 9 innings. Not all 'power pitchers' need to strike out 12 batters a game. I would love to see a current pitcher throw a complete game under 2 and a quarter hours with 90 pitches.

Remember1969 said...

Throwing a knuckleball doesn't put much strain on the arm. Most knuckleball pitchers can be just as effective well into their late 30s and 40s. Maybe everyone should be taught how to throw that just as a 'slow-down' mechanism.