12/10/22

Reese Kaplan -- How Bad is the Payroll Situation Right Now?


Well, it's kind of hard to understand what it feels like to be a Mets fan feeling like a George Steinbrenner Yankee fan. The Mets lose out on a Hall of Fame type pitcher and replace him for half the price with another Hall of Fame type pitcher. Then to add onto the excess, they snag a very durable left handed starter, one of the top all time relief pitchers to set up for Edwin Diaz and bring back their centerfielder. Yeah, sometimes it's real good to reach into your pockets and find you have money available to spend.


The issue for Mr. Steve Cohen of the deep pockets and willingness to buy what it takes is that he's now facing a pretty astronomical payroll plus penalties for exceeding the $300 million threshold. Bear in mind, he and his Mets are not done yet. 

They still need to decide on whether they're rolling the dice on some combination of David Peterson, Tylor Megill, Joey Lucchesi to take on one of the regular starting pitcher roles, or will they continue the pursuit of Kodai Senga, Chris Bassitt, Carlos Rodon or others who will push that number even higher?

It's not just starting pitching that's on the incomplete list right now. They have a bullpen consisting of Edwin Diaz, David Robertson, Brooks Raley, Drew Smith and a lot of question marks. Having lost last year's quartet of Adam Ottavino, Seth Lugo, Trevor Williams, Mychal Givens and Joely Rodriguez, they have a lot of innings after the starters leave the game that must be pitched. 

 Assuming the wildcard bunch -- Stephen Ridings, Zach Greene, William Woods, Tayler Saucedo, Elieser Hernandez and Jeff Brigham may not make up for quality with the quantity they represent. If they're after bringing back Ottavino or finding a similar pitcher who will cost north of $5 million per year then the payroll jumps even higher.


Of course, one of the primary criticisms from 2022 was the Mets' handling of the Designated Hitter position. Neither Dom Smith nor J.D. Davis took the role and ran with it. Midyear acquisitions Daniel Vogelbach and Darin Ruf were surprisingly an improvement but as you evaluate the DH role for the Mets and the other 29 clubs, they definitely would be in the lowest quadrant. 
The club does have some minimum wage options in Brett Baty, Mark Vientos and Francisco Alvarez who could contribute, but a win-now mentality is more inclined to look towards an established veteran seeking a job like J.D. Martinez who despite having his run production numbers slide a bit is still going to want major bucks. Watch that payroll soar well past the $400 million mark.

Finally, there's the issue of bench players on this club. They have no spare outfielders unless that's how you classify Jeff McNeil if one of the 2022 starters needs a day off. Darin Ruf is not the answer. Daniel Vogelbach is a one trick pony (Clydesdale-sized edition). The spare catchers would be included here, too. Throw in Luis Guillorme as well. It's not exactly cream of the crop should an injury force one of the regulars to the IL for an extended period of time.


According to the Fangraphs site looking at payroll, the Mets currently stand with an obligation (along with arbitration estimates for the players in that category) of $322 million. That's just the foundation, however. Add to that other obligations that are calculated in the payroll accounting and you find it's much higher. There are the pre-arbitration eligible players to the tune of about another $5.7 million. Then there are payments due to folks no longer with the club like Robinson Cano, Taijuan Walker, Chris Bassitt and Mychal Givens. 

The latter trio are for option buyouts. Cano is still due his salary from his contract. Together that aggregates another a hefty sum. Throw in benefits for players, salaries to 40-man roster guys not yet in Queens and a variety of other ledger line items and the calculated value of the payroll for 2023 today stands at $335 million. Anything over the so-called Steve Cohen tax limit amounts to a 90% penalty so that a new player who costs you $18 million per season in salary will now run you $34.2 million after that money due to MLB.

Right now the actual payroll is $40 million more than what it was in 2022. Is the team $40 million better? Wow, that's a topic in which fans, accountants and the Mets front office will have a WWE cage match weapon-aided debate. I think the simple answer is no. 

They have not addressed their open needs in the rotation, the pen, the bench and figured out how to integrate the hot hitting younger players who can provide cost controlled productivity for 5+ years. For as much as has been done already, the Mets are far from done in roster construction before visiting the palm trees in Port St. Lucie.  

15 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

It is a wild, whacky money ride we are on. Where it stops, only one man knows, while the rest of baseball quakes. Where he spends next? We’ll see. Only a few shopping days til Christmas.

Mack Ade said...

For me, we are an SP and RP away from ST.

Reese Kaplan said...

And spare outfielders, infielders and a decision about catcher.

Gary Seagren said...

My question is why are we worried about payroll? George flipped the baseball world on it's head almost fifty years ago and now it's our turn. Let the man spend what he wants and if it pisses off the other owners so be it. The man is worth north of 3 BILLION dollars or 3000 million so 300 to 400 million is apparently in his "ballpark" so lets let the man have some fun. When as Met fans have we ever been in the "we want that player and will stop at nothing to get him" mode and with Ohtani on the horizon who better to secure him than Eppy? I don't know about you but that Sugerland album from a few years ago comes to mind "Enjoy the Ride".

Woodrow said...

I believe in Uncle Steve. He has money and he has.a plan. Remember last year when they didn’t trade any prospects? They had a great draft lastseason. He’s got money and he’s smart and he’s a fan. He’ll bring a WS to NY in two seasons and probably Ohtani too.

Anonymous said...

He’s actually worth $12 billion, not 3. The second richest owner is worth about 3.

Gary Seagren said...

O.K. then 300-400 million is lunch money so you go Steve! Reminds me of Little Anthony and the Imperials "Goin out of My Head" because Ohtani must be right around the corner and I'm going out of my head.....are they making his Met jersey yet?

Woodrow said...

Senga?The Mets or the Dodgers,whichever signs Senga has a head start on Ohtani.

Rick Miller said...

Thanks again, Steve.
One fan to another.
Difference is you can do something about it.
And BTW, I never thanked you for letting Dom Smith disappear.
My bad.

Gary Seagren said...

Senga Senga Senga gee Steve there's almost no more room under the tree for more gifts but we could probably fit another one or two if we have too. Ohtani Ohtani Ohtani!!!!

Tom Brennan said...

To paraphrase an old movie line, “he’s a fine Senga and a wonderful dancer.” I hope to see lots of senging and dancing in Queens in the years to come.

Anonymous said...

Mets Challenge

Q: By the 2023 season ending, who will have the most wins between Texas' Jake deGrom and the NY Mets' Kodai Senga? Tough question I realize because Senga has not pitched yet in MLB. But an interesting challenge never the less.

Q: What one time NY Mets pitcher threw with both his right and left hand in an official MLB game making him the first pitcher to ever do so in the modern baseball era? (1981)

Q: Which NY Mets pitcher got the very first NY Mets franchise win ever?

Q: Name the five NY Mets batters who have hit over 40 or more homeruns in a single season fr these NY Mets? Bet you cannot name all five of them! Not an easy challenge.

Q: Which NY Mets manager has the most MLB wins in Mets franchise history?

No cheating and Good Luck!

Anonymous said...

My Thoughts right now are these.

(1) With Marte, Nimmo, Canha, McNeil, Baty and potentially speaking here either of the Vientos or Mauricio rookies needing to come up in 2023, why is everyone complaining or talking about the Mets needing one more outfielder?

Brett Baty has played MiLB left field and knows it. But he also has a great arm, so maybe in time he takes over right field. This could be a solution here with one of the Ronny Mauricio or Mark Vientos tandem manning the open third base. Both of these players (Ronny and Mark) hit well and have true power. It seems like a viable solution to me.

The Mets need to start getting this next talented wave into the lineup.

Anonymous said...

Da DH.

Vogelbach was a good 2022 mid-season addition. But are the Mets getting the absolute most out of its DH?

Personally, I could see one of these players taking over the DH in 2023.

(1)Mark Vientos
(2) Ronny Mauricio
(3)Eduardo Escobar.

All three of these players can hit and hit for power. Yes, there is some risk associated with playing rookies, although Escobar is not one. All teams have to know this. But the better MiLB players do need to be given an opportunity in ST to show that they can handle playing in the MLB and playing really well.

And realistically here, the Mets have the insurance talent here in-place already, should the case need be. Which I just don't think will happen in 2023 with this list.

Where then is there much risk associated with this idea to grow the team younger and better? Never forget your organization's younger players that are chomping at the bit for a shot at starting their own long careers.

Anonymous said...

Yankees and Red Sox.

Interesting. Yankees are currently sniffing Carlos Rodon. Their first offer was too low. My guess is that they eventually come to terms with him.

The Red Sox appear to be experiencing financial difficulties.

It appears to be actually two things. (1) The Chris Sale injuries. First, a comebacker to the mound breaking his left pinkie finger in 2022. And then Chris having a biking accident breaking his wrist. He is slated to be healthy come 2023 ST. He has two years remaining on his contract, originally a 2019 five year contract at $145,000,000 total.

The second thing is about owner John Henry shutting down his investment firm in Florida due to the firms poor performance.

On top of this, the Red Sox just lost ss Xander Boegarts to the Padres as well.