12/29/23

Reese Kaplan -- There's Still a Lot of Work to Do


2024 is almost upon us and the Mets have obtained one theoretically starting capable player in injury rehab candidate Lusi Severino.  Adrian Houser is someone who is being sold to us as a great addition, and while he's no Cy Young candidate, the fact is that his career ERA of 4.00 would push him well ahead of the in-house options.  The bullpen has yet to feel reinforced.  And let's not even think about the offensive side of the ledger.

OK, so as an early New Year's resolution I will look forward to what can be done rather than backwards at what failed to occur.  

There are a lot of improvements already made to the farm system, the development of younger players working their way up the ladder and in particular the manner in which pitching is analyzed at the several month old lab.  These changes should manifest into great positives in the future, but the question remains what is being done to help the present?

Rather than focus on the pitching that the club still needs, today let's look at how to address the need for improved hitting.  The current linup has three well known and predictable bats in Francisco Lindor, Pete Alonso and Brandon Nimmo.  Then you have recuperating Starling Marte who could play like it was 2022 or again like it was 2023.  

Francisco Alvarez showed great ability for his forced rookie introduction to the majors but the batting average was still nowhere near it needs to be.  Jeff McNeil was having a major letdown in 2023 after winning the NL batting title in 2022, but few expect it is a sign of permanent regression.  

The DH role has been a black hole since the league approved its use.  There are three approaches to take:


Play the Kids

With Eduardo Escobar gone and Ronny Mauricio in rehab, that pretty much leaves the third base job to youngster Brett Baty.  To be fair, Baty has demonstrated during his minor league career an elite level of hitting yet no one saw any of that materialize in 2023.  Some are fed up and say trade him away.  

The problem with this approach is that his value is pretty much in the basement and you wouldn't get much in return.  That move would also make third base another great vacancy that was not answered well between Howard Johnson and David Wright, nor since then.  The better approach would be to show full confidence in Baty but have a spare part on the bench just in case.  

Mark Vientos also has shown throughout his minor league career some serious run production capability.  In his favor came his hot September whe the long balls were flying out of the park to suggest a 30+ homer capability.  The problem is that he has not gotten sufficient with his glove anywhere on the diamond.  He is rigid and unimpressive at third base and he's totally blocked across the field at first base.  He's not fleet enough afoot to think about transitioning him to the outfield. 

Consequently DH may be his most suitable role, but you can't yank him out of the position the first time he goes 0-4.  It's not as if he's trying to outdo the legends of Edgar Martinez or David Ortiz.  He merely has to be better than Darin Ruf and Daniel Vogelbach.  Even the most cynical fans would likely concede he couldn't possibly be worse.


Add 1-2 Year Role Players to Tide the Team Over

Now here's where it gets interesting.  There are still a number of potent bats available in free agency which won't bankrupt the team of its now formidable group of prospects.  Two names shoot to the top of the list -- J.D. Martinez and Justin Turner.  One is much more expensive and one has an early career team affiliation.  Let's have a brief look.

Martinez has long moved himself from outfielder to designated hitter and never looked back.  Save for a hiccup in ability during the 2022 season.  (2020 was nothing to write home about either, but many players around the league didn't adjust well to the delayed and then abbreviated schedule).  

In 2022, though, he had a full year to play like, well, J.D. Martinez and he slipped off the cliff by his elite standards.  He batted .274 which was a little lower than usual, but the power numbers showed just 16 HRs and 62 RBIs.  That output was reminiscent of a full time baseball player earning his living, but not of a then five time All Star with a pair of Silver Sluggers.  Many thought old age had caught up to him and it would be all downhill from there.

Well, the Dodgers in 2023 found out that Martinez during his age 35/36 season was far from finished.  He made his sixth All Star team and finished the year looking like a true middle of the order bat, hitting .271 with 33 HRs and 103 RBIs.  How would Lindor and Alonso like that kind of protection in the lineup?   

His cost and contract duration are going to be higher on an AAV and will likely require 2 years with an option for a 3rd.  He was paid a highly reasonable $10 million for his output in 2023.  Expect him to command a 50% increase in pay which means at minimum a $30 million contract for 2024 and 2025.  That's not chicken feed but if he can approxiimate the same output it would be a bargain indeed.  Starling Marte makes more than that.

Then there's fan favorite Justin Turner who has also shown plenty of hitting ability during his days with the Mets and then later with the Dodgers and Red Sox.  His accomplishments include a pair of All Star game appearances and a pair of top 15 level votes for the league's MVP award.  He's not quite at the J.D. Martinez level of  play, but at a career average of 20 HRs and 80 RBIs he would be a big improvement.  His 2023 was rock solid at age 38/39.  

He would likely be seeking about $10 million for a season in which he'd turn 40.  Some might argue that he is a smarter choice given his age requiring likely a single year investment and he could provide that emergency backup to play 3B in the event Baty stumbles again.

There are other older players available to consider who might command a short term deal but most have shown multi year decline in production and probably not worth consideration here. 


Invest in Long Term Solutions

This approach has probably gotten the least play as folks debate the best way to proceed.  While everyone is aware that the club has access to a lot of solutions in free agency next year, the fact remains that they need to think long term about the team's overall offensive ability.  

As of now Pete Alonso could be leaving as a free agent and you don't find 40 HR/120 RBI abilities from players like Joey Wendle nor year 4 of Starling Marte.  Consequently it might make sense to invest in a younger, longer term option for DH who could help not only in 2024 but in subsequent years as well.

The first name that comes up is Teoscar Hernandez, a proven slugger who could shoehorn into the current lineup but will continue to provide ability for the next 3-4 years.  Right now at age 31 he averages a season of .261 with 32 HRs and 92 RBIs.  He does swing and miss an awful lot, but the positives may outweigh the negatives.  This right handed power hitter will likely command a 4-year $64 million contract.  That average of $16 million per season is not terrible and the run production is for real.

The second one who comes up frequently is Jorge Soler most recently of the Miami Marlins.  This big right handed hitter is good for 30 HRs and north of 80 RBIs, though his batting average has always been a struggle to hit over .240.  

He is a little bit older than Hernandez but likely will receive less money given his more modest production.  He doesn't strike out nearly as much but then he also doesn't produce at the same level.  He was a bit overpriced at $15 million last year and might for a 4-year deal look to get about the same AAV or slightly less.  

While neither of these players are guys you would hit cleanup in your lineup, they certainly seem like they would offer more than previous entries into the DH mold.  The question remains could a near minimum wage Mark Vientos approximate what you would get from Martinez, Turner, Hernandez or Soler?  

Right now it would seem that a Turner reunion is the most likely way for the team to progress, but other options indeed do exist.    

18 comments:

Mack Ade said...

It seems to me that all of baseball has taken the holiday season off

I would be much more concerned if other top free agents were being signed

Past Yamamoto they aren't

Rds 900. said...


I expect our kids to do well in '24.

Gary Seagren said...

My guess is their going with Baty/Vientos at 3b and DH at least for a few months to see if either can do the job with Jett and Acuna in the wings. I would love Rhys Hoskins as DH but on a one year try out basis and Gio Urshela has been mentioned as well. Thoughts?

TexasGusCC said...

Reese, a great article with lots to chew on. First, I need to confess that I don’t know what I would do if I were Stearns. I always felt that Alonso’s free agency could be used as a reset to go after Soto next year and stop being penalized for the spending spree of 2023. However, I am not interested in fighting the Yankees over him, but I’ll give it a shot. Too, the Mets have a much better offensive pipeline than the Yankees, so there isn’t a need to blow it up. While you say Hernandez’s numbers aren’t all that, we’re Alonso’s? He hit just barely over .200 and struck out a ton. Yes the power numbers were impressive, but he leaves you expecting more. What if he reaches those levels somewhere else? It’s possible.

Then, there’s McNeil. At first you diss him by leaving him out of the group of players that are likely to perform well, then you say he is not expected to repeat the regression. Which one is it? McNeil had just signed a new contract and I don’t know if he was unhappy with it and it took him a while to embrace it, or he tried too hard, but he wasn’t who we know early on. I believe in him, but I also don’t expect that he has the interest in taking it to the next level like Daniel Murphy did or even Nimmo has wanted to do and has.

Vientos needs to play. Enough already with the knocks. JD Martinez said he signed for less with the Dodgers than other teams were offering last year. That $10MM contract is an illusion and hard to believe he wouldn’t want at least twice that. The pays scale around the league was messed up early by the stupid signings of Lance Lynn, Severino, and other back end starters to double digit millions. That plus the Dodgers really blowing it up to sign the Japanese stars has caused a bit of indecision on the free agency as a whole on both sides.

I doubt Turner would come back. Let him go. They have Wendle and only if Alonso is traded do they need to worry about another big bat. They can use Vientos at first and sign Hernandez for similar money. I don’t really trust Soler, can’t explain it. Kenton’s needs 450 at bats, minimum. Baty needs 350, minimum. We can’t keep letting our players go flourish elsewhere because we want guaranteed solutions, only.

TexasGusCC said...

Kenton’s = Vientos; Vientos needs 450 at bats. Don’t understand why my tablet insists on some stupid corrections. And type is way too small in the comment box to see clearly. Why is it so small in the box but then gets bigger once posted?

Anonymous said...

Baty and Vientos? Bite the bullet and see what we got!

bill metsiac said...

Why do you doubt that JT would be interested coming back?

Tom Brennan said...

Teoscar is an iron man...160 games...211 Ks. Man I worry about a guy going into his age 31 season fanning like that.

And his 26 HRs and 93 RBIs over 160 games equates to 22 HRs and 82 RBIs over a more realistic 140 games.

I'd tell Vientos to stop dawdling and in 2024 be Teoscar-for-cheap. I think he can do that, if they let him.

I agree - in hyper-inflated baseball, JD Martinez would want a huge contract with the Mets - just in time to decline in production due to age - with every $$ doubled by the lux tax. So...would JD at $20 million this year (which is really $40 million) be a better gamble than Vientos at $1 million ($2 million with tax added)?

And the top 3 prospects are coming, perhaps by mid-season, and Ronny Mo should return by June.

I'd roll mostly with the kids (Baty/Vientos). See how the season starts. Go from there.

Just improve the pen. A lot. It shouldn't be Edwin plus the otherwise worst bullpen in baseball.

Th2 2023 go-for-broke spending has left them with a lousy team with persistent luxury cap problems. Good luck.

Mack Ade said...

I venture to guess (based on the current team prior to anymore pre season additions) that Baty will be given April-June to prove his value at third and Vientos will be a DH piece

bill metsiac said...

There was a report in the NY Post yesterday that the Mets are interested in Gio Urshula, which makes sense. He's an excellent fielder, mostly at 3B but versatile, and a career. 277 hitter.
He could be a utility guy, or be the insurance at 3B. If needed, he could solve our OF problem by playing 2B and pushing McNeil to LF.
Vientos or a newcomer could DH.

Lots of possibilities, but I don’t see any action for at least a week.

Amazin Z said...

I don’t understand many of the fans who are
fine with Stearns not doing anything significant. Note to those Mets fans this team is not getting under the Luxury Tax anytime soon. We are around what $280-$290 M now. Guess what the Luxury Tax didn’t stop the Dodgers, Rangers, Phillies, Braves, Yankees, etc. from going over the Luxury Tax and being over it again this year. So we’re not resigning Pete because we need to get under the Tax threshold? We’re not going to resign FA’s next year as well because we’re still going to be over the Luxury Tax?

What happened to Cohen is worth $20 B so spending hundreds of Millions is a drop in the bucket. It’s also not a loss to Cohen’s business as the Mets make plenty of TV, Ticket, Concession, etc. money. Now all of a sudden we’re back to being the Wilpons. I understand trying to minimize the Luxury Tax but this team should never be below it and never stop us from signing top FA’s that will help us in the present and future. I guess we’ll have to see Stearns master plans but I have my doubts.

That Adam Smith said...

We need to keep in mind that we have an entirely new FO, scouting, evaluation, player development, and that none of those execs have ever seen or worked with the players on the current roster or down on the farm. I don’t doubt that they will be hesitant to make trades or longer-term decisions before they get a chance to make their own evaluations. Maybe they can set Baty right, or get Megill to show the top end that we glimpsed more consistently. Maybe they’ll have a higher or lower opinion on some of the prospects. But it’s difficult to know these things from a distance, until they get a spring training, and likely most of a season to come to informed decisions for the longer term. I’m way happier with them being patient - even if that means a rough 2024 - than bowing to outside pressure to do something, and trading away or blocking guys they don’t really know that well yet.

I’d guess that they have a list of maybe 30-50 players in the org that they want to see and work with before making these determinations, and that’s as it should be. And far more valuable than the public affirmation they’d get on the back pages and blogs for making a move or evaluations they *hope* will turn out to be right.

I’ve been waiting on this franchise to make better long-term decisions since the day the Wilpons screwed Doubleday (and us) by pushing him out. I’m fine with giving the new leadership a year to see what they have, and have coming up, before making the kinds of commitments it will take to build a consistent winner.

Amazin Z said...

If you’re talking about hitters, yes. I want to see Vientos DH 125+ games. (Not a strict DH like Martinez taking Vientos AB’s). I want to see Baty get his last chance to be our future 3B. Gilbert to get here in the OF sometime this year. I’m fine with waiting until next year to get more bats. I think Chavez back as Hitting Coach will turn this lineup back to ‘22 levels.

As far as Pitching goes we really have only one young good Prospect who’s going to get his chance this year and that’s a Reliever, Nate Lavender. We need at least 2 good RP to replace Ottavino and Robertson. Or at least resign Ottavino and Robertson as they both like pitching here. If we go with what we have now our Pen is way worse than last year and blow even more games.

Our Staff is missing at least 1 reliable SP. Megill, Luchessi, and Peterson (also injured) have shown us they are no better than #5 or #6 SP’s or a long man out of the Pen. Maybe Vasil and Butto deserve a shot for the #4 or #5 spot but I think they’re similar to the 3 SP’s I just mentioned. Are we really rolling with a top 4 of Senga, Quintana (often injured), Severino (often injured), and Houser? None of those SP’s, except Senga, threw more than 110 innings last year. Also Senga is the only of these top 4 SP signed for 2025. Having an Imanaga, or even a Giolito if our Pitching Lab can fix him, signed for more than this year is a smart move.

More importantly as currently constructed would you want to sign here with this hot garbage team if you’re a FA in 2025. Gotta show this team is better than last year’s team and improving towards 2025. Not having a 70 Win team and worse than 2023.

That Adam Smith said...

If they don’t make any big moves, and are using this season mostly to evaluate, I won’t be surprised to see Drew Gilbert, who’s already 23, start the season with the big club if he has a good spring.

#1 Mets fan said...

Severino and Wendel are a good start but there has to be more.

Tom Brennan said...

Baseball Reference has Giolito projected at 9-11 next year, with a 4.66 ERA and 30 HRs in 166 IP, If he does that, it will improve on his 2023 season

nickel7168 said...

With the current state of the Mets, and all that they still need, I
NEVER would have guessed that, as of this date, the Mets would have
done nothing more than DUMPSTER DIVING. Even Severino is nothing more
than a reclamation project. How can Uncle Steve not be going crazy?
It's certainly making me crazy...disappointed...and angry. At least go
and sign Alonso.
It's true...ALL of MLB has taken the holidays off from getting
anything done.

Anonymous said...

Luis Castillo will drop the ball at midnight tomorrow