1/26/24

Reese Kaplan -- Who is the Third Man for the New York Mets?


For a great many years the position of third base -- the hot corner -- was frigid cold for anyone the Mets chose to trot out there to man the spot alongside the shortstop.  The list of wannabes and never wases is frighteningly long.  


The first relatively long term solution was the lackluster Wayne Garrett, he of the lifetime batting average of just .239 who in the championship year of 1973 did his best ever work with a .256/16/58 stat line.  The All Star Game was watched comfortably from the sofa in his home. 


As years progressed the club continued to try people big and small, slim and not so much, fast and slow.  It really wasn't until Howard Johnson arrived from the Tigers that for the first time ever Mets fans could hold their heads up in the discussion about there where Brooks Robinson once played.  Yes, he did have a corked bat, but between his home runs and stolen bases he at least made the games exciting.


It took quite a few pages off the annual calendar until David Wright saw the light of day and if it wasn't for his myriad of health problems he would have gotten more serious consideration for a plaque in Cooperstown.  He truly spoiled Mets fans for what the third baseman could provide to the team in the middle of the batting order and while behaving in a manner in which tabloid headlines were about what he did with his stick and not off-the-field pecadilloes that were best left under wraps.

Since his departure the Mets once again are on the hot corner carousel with players like J.D. Davis, Eduardo Excobar and other inconsistent performers being given a shot and then removed from there due to batting slumps, defensive struggles or health.  With the coming season it had appeared that Ronny Mauricio was going to offer himself up as a legitimate threat for someone in the lineup including third base, but his ACL has shelved him likely until 2025.


So that evolution due to injury has led us to round two of Brett Baty and Mark Vientos.  Baty had a reputation for batting average, power and at least adequate defense throughout his stellar progression through the minor league system.  Unfortunately, the player the team saw in 2023 seemed to be something totally different, struggling in just about every aspect of the game.  His rookie season included extended benching and even a demotion back to Syracuse.  Yet if the 2024 season opened today it's presumed the job is his to lose, no matter what.

As a failsafe the Mets acquired Joey Wendle, an all around utility player in the mold of a Luis Guillorme but with a somewhat more potent bat.  He wouldn't embarrass the team in occasional starts subbing for Baty or Lindor or McNeil, but no one is expecting him at this juncture to be a starter on a competitive team.  


So that brings us to the little discussed Mark Vientos as a Plan B.  As Mike Steffanos recently pointed out, the sub Mendoza hitting Vientos who was Krazy-Glued to the bench for most of 2023 until September did crank it up a bit there with a .230 average and 6 HRs.  If it's a six-month season, you're looking at 36 HR potential.  That's nothing to sneeze at.  It's also possible that with regular insertion into the lineup that batting average would increase 30 or more points which would make him a highly credible hitter.

Unfortunately, Mark Vientos played third base much like I did...and that's more for the blooper reels than the highlight reels.  Consequently they are talking about Vientos being a young DH to ensure his playing time, but already they are on the platoon bandwagon which would again relegate Vientos to perhaps 2 starts per week as he is right handed whereas DJ Stewart and others hit from the left side.  It often seems the Mets can't help shooting themselves in the foot, particularly when it comes to the Designated Hitter.  


No one would be happier to see Brett Baty turn into a regular capable of starting on most teams, just as folks would be ecstatic to see Vientos evolve into a middle of the order DH.  Whether or not you have confidence the Mets will allow either to happen is still unknown and uncertain, but with the ongoing inertia to improving the lineup it would appear the chances of both are actually a bit more realistic than a typical and cynical Mets fan might have thought when 2023 baseball ended.  

8 comments:

TexasGusCC said...

I have an idea. This came from something I realized earlier this morning. I looked at Ryan Clifford’s numbers with the Mets and with the Astros. I noticed that with the Mets his K% jumped quite a bit and coincidentally, he played much more first base for the Mets and much more outfield for the Astros.

My point is players need confidence, especially the team’s. When you tell a young player that he isn’t supported to do what he wants to do, you hurt him. Hence, I let both Baty and Vientos be full time fielders. The only positive I have about a rookie manager (I’d rather it would be Gibbons than the other way around) that I didn’t see with the previous one that cared way too much about his own win-loss record is that I hope Mendoza puts the kids out there no matter what. Hopefully Mendoza is more secure with his reputation than our previous spineless baby was with his.

So, Baty and Vientos will alternate at third base the entire spring. Reward Vientos for his efforts this winter and zeal to improve by working with Lindor, and let Baty show what he has been working on all winter. They’ll get 45% each of the overall playing time there, with spells at other positions to stay in the lineup. Just like Bohm also played the outfield and first base, I don’t want to hear that anyone is entitled their own position at a young age. Then, in the regular season, they will continue to do this through mid-May. At that point, we re-evaluate and see whether injuries or performance will need an adjustment of the plan.

The best thing that came out of the Mauricio injury was that the Mets can let these two players figure it out in the majors this year, while allowing the rest of a credible lineup to do what it must. McNeil, Alvarez, Lindor, Nimmo, Alonzo, and hopefully Marte with help from Stewart (who deserves the chance through June) can regularly contribute to the success of the offense. That leaves 3 positions for Hader, Vientos, Baty, and Taylor/Wendle.

Offense wasn’t the problem last year. It was an inconsistent offense and an overall average rotation at best with a terrible bullpen. Then, the tank job was put in for no reason of getting AAAA scrubs playing time. I let the kids play the position they enjoy playing and encourage them to work hard and keep rewarding that effort.

Tom Brennan said...

I'm with Gus. Play Baty and Vientos a lot. Let's see what the heck they can do.

How about 900 at bats, 45 HRs and 130 RBIs from these two?

Mack Ade said...

I wish for Baty to be allowed to startn6x a week through June

A proper test and not thinking about the next day's lineup card when he is coming to bat

Anonymous said...

Baty and Vientos,that’s the ticket!

Mack Ade said...

And what if thru June they both hit .350 and commit 0 errors?

What then

The problem with this team has been uncertainty which leads to player lack of confidence

Pick one and give him the torch

Paul Articulates said...

I'm on the Baty bandwagon - give him 2nd chance and if he fails, then Vientos can try. I'm not sold on Vientos being a 3rd baseman as his primary fielding position.

But back to the story, what every happened to "can't miss" prospect Butch Husky?

Tom Brennan said...

Butch Huskey was disappointing, but once reached the 6th deck in Philly. All I remember of him. “ Trivia: That September he hit a mammoth HR at Veteran's stadium in Philadelphia, becoming only the third player in the Stadium's history since it opened in 1970. to reach the Upper Deck 600 level.”

TP said...

I love references to Wayne Garrett. Fond memories. As a fan, things were more innocent back then. Thanks!