4/2/25

Reese Kaplan -- Win Now With Stars Or Gamble on Future Studs?


Trading prospects is a roll of the dice where someone is banking on future development being an enhanced version of what’s already been shown while the team sending him packing is concerned about flaws in his game or that he’s already reached his peak performance before donning a big league uniform.

This issue arose recently elsewhere when someone on the Chicago Cubs media payroll wrote an article extolling the superstar virtues of one Pete Crow-Armstrong, former New York Mets first round draft pick, who was sent packing to the Windy City in exchange for a few nobodies named Javier Baez and Trevor Williams.  To hear many Mets fans tell the story, the team was absolutely robbed in this deal and their vitriol matches the high praise piled onto the center fielder.

Dig a little deeper, however, and realize you have to give to get.  Yes, Crow-Armstrong was indeed highly regarded and during his entire minor league stretch in the Mets and Cubs organizations he has been valuable.  In an aggregate of about two full seasons of play when you add up the various minor league stints he was good for 41 HRs, 161 RBIs and 81 SBs while hitting .296.  Yeah, those numbers are indeed hard to ignore.  Consequently when the Cubs were asking in that summer of 2022 trade, the Mets had a tough decision to make.

On the other side of the coin came the puzzling Javier Baez whose mouth is sometimes more prominent than his bat.  Still, you can’t ignore what he’s done in the major leagues.  He’s been a 2-time All Star, won a Gold Glove and finished 2nd in the MVP voting during one season.  He averages 24 HRs, 83 RBIs and 15 SBs per season while hitting .251.  You can see why giving up such a player would require the Cubs to get back someone who might put up similar numbers in the future.

Then there is the forgotten man of the deal, reliever/starter Trevor Williams.  While he’s been converted now to full time starter, for the Mets he served both roles and during the 2022 and 2023 seasons he combined to go 3-5 with a 3.17 ERA over 40 games that included a dozen starts. 

Since neither Baez nor Williams are here anymore, it must be true about Crow-Armstrong having been highway robbery, righht?  Well, if you look at the numbers it would appear he’s still a work in progress.  In 408 major league at-bats he has 10 HRs, 49 RBIs and a .221 average to go along with a highly respectable 30 SBs.  No one is questioning his glove, his arm nor his legs.  His bat, however, may still have some holes in it that need to be plugged.

The point here isn’t to bash Crow-Armstrong nor praise Billy Eppler for the trade that worked out better for the Mets than it did for the Cubs.  The issue is the value we place on prospects and whether or not we sometimes inflate in our own minds what a minor leaguer will become.  That issue is front and center for the New York Mets with the game in Miami with import Kodai Senga facing off against one Sandy Alcantara. 

For a quick refresher on the latter name, for his career (which, of course, included time off for Tommy John surgery, he has gone 41-55 for a bad Marlins team with a career ERA of just 3.32.  In today’s game that number puts you among the elite in starting pitchers.  The Marlins re-upped him to a long term deal which pays the man $17.3 million for the remainder of 2025, the same salary in 2026 and then there’s an option for $21 million for 2027 with a $2 million team buyout.  That means for less than you’re paying Sean Manaea and about what you’re paying Frankie Montas you could trade for someone who already has a Cy Young Award on his mantle.

Now comes the tough part.  Which players in the organization would be an attractive and equitable package to land the still just 29 year old Alcantara?  Obviously you would want to start off with players who don’t have a clear path to the big club in New York like Ronny Mauricio or middle infielder Luisangel Acuna.  Then there is pitching.  Jonah Tong moved up a lot of charts but not quite to the level of Brandon Sproat. 

The Marlins might want to look at the rest of the returns gained in the salary dump deals for Justin Verlander and Max Scherzer.  The names not yet mentioned include Drew Gilbert, Jett Williams and Ryan Clifford. 

I can hear everyone right now and sense the apoplectic blood pressure some of these names would cause if the Mets included them in deals.  Do remember that they are what the Mets got for their two pitchers a few years back.  The Marlins won’t simply give Alcantara away, so some combination of perhaps Mauricio, Tong, Gilbert and Acuna might be enough while preserving Williams, Clifford and Sproat.  Or it might not.  

The question you have to ask is what you think Alcantara’s sure value would be to the Mets vs. the prospective future value of the next Pete Crow-Armstrong?

7 comments:

Mack Ade said...

Morning

1. I too hated losing PCA but that was a good trade for the Mets. Baez was a superstar that could help them get home and Williams was a capable throw-in. I would have made that deal 10x over.

2. TPFM was limited to 90 effective pitches last night. Thank you Fishermen for easing in our all-star break addition

3. There will come a time soon that the Mets will have to deal off prospect middle infielders. Just too many in the chain

Tom Brennan said...

Mack's point that we have a glut of middle infielders is correct.

My brother also did not have trouble with the Baez trade. What he did have trouble with is that the Mets stopped there. It wasn't enough of a juice.

Pete Crow is 5 for 31 this year, with just one steal. Slow start for a star (he would not be the only one), or is he a mediocre offensive player?

The need for an Alcantara may have boosted as creaky Sean Manaea and Frankie Montas may both not return until June (of 2025, I should add). That is a lot of season M.I.A.

Mack Ade said...

The Mets will fight both ATL & LAD 4 PFM

Steve said...

Always a tough decision in deciding whether a prospect is better long-term or trading for a player or signing a free agent player. Although salary costs seems to be less of an issue under this ownership,, I think that is a consideration as well.

Pitching is always a position of need. As constructed, I see there are three starting position positions that need to be filled later this year or next year (1st/3rd, 2nd, CF). Are, will our current prospect system be able to fill these needs or some of these needs? Are there prospect riches to be able to trade said players and still have a prospect to fill one of those areas of need? Or are you filling one but creating a need in another? Will the trade today create a need requiring the signing of a free agent towards the end their career (I am thinking Marte).

Back to the article. I think the team has sufficient prospect capital at this time to facilitate a trade for someone like Alcantara (Prefer this trade as opposed to the trade scenarios being floated for Cease) and still address the three positional position going forward.

How this works out is for us to debate and criticize. We don't wear those big boy pants to make those decisions. LOL

Mack Ade said...

Hey

I got big boy writing 🖊

Regarding the current Mets rotation... two of their best are on the IL and the current make-do version is 3rd in lowest ERA

YES. Small sample

Mr. Cohen (anyone worth more that 10,000,000 000.00 needs to be addressed as Mr.) has the money to do whatever the hell he wants to do. Buy a casino? ✔️ add tofu to the food menu? ✔️ and add TPKAA? ✔️ ✅️ 🛫 ☑️

Mack Ade said...

Regarding the Marlins

They operate with primarily team controlled players, but they also have to make the league minimum team salary level to prevent "huuuuge tariffs"

Alky's contract helps achieve that goal.

So, to trade for him, you need to ship them an existing vet contract (Marte or McNeil) and then add at least three chips

McNeil would have a shit hemorrhage and might even consider Korean ball rather than playing for that mess, so the spanish speaking Marte probably would fit better.

The chips lost would be harsh though liveable

Steve said...

Mack - No questions. This is the first site I read daily because of the big boy writing.

Did that other big boy make proper decisions this past winter with the pitching staff that the mid-season additions of Montas and Manaea and possible call-ups be enough without trades? Then use prospects (after re-establishing their values) this coming summer or winter to fortify the team?

Don't call me mister. Off to get dress with the clothes my wife just laid out.