11/30/13

Mack Ade - Organizational Evaluation By Position– SP


 

We’re going to discuss the starters a little different. Similar to most years there are too many people on my rosters and not all these guys are either going to survive or become relief pitchers (as you will see tomorrow, the pens are just as crowded). I broke out the players I have currently projected to each team and color coded them by importance. Red is prospect… dark blue is an almost prospect and someone that will definitely be in the rotation… black is for the rest of them.

You will notice the reduction in top prospects. This is due to the fact that guys like Matt Harvey and Zack Wheeler have already graduated to Queens and Jenrry Mejia is no longer classified as a prospect.

Lastly, most of the Mets minor league teams begin the season with at least six, sometimes seven starters. Everybody has a pitch limit that may start as low as 50, so you will see  lot of piggybacking with one starter up front and another starter following the first. Thus, look for me to be projecting more than your routine five.

Here goes:

AAA – Rafael Montero, Noah Syndergaard, Erik Goeddel, Darin Gorski, Jake deGrom, Cory Mazzoni, Logan Verrett, Mark Cohoon, Chris Schwinden, Giancarlo Alvarado, Mitch Talbot –

First of all, I might not have got the memo and Alvarado and Talbot may no longer be a member of the organization. They were late season pickups last year that helped Vegas along the way.

It’d obvious that both Montero and Syndergaard will be prominently displayed; however, so will Goeddel, Gorski, de-Grom, and Mazzoni to scouts for all the teams looking for talented young pitching. These are the kind of pitcher that will be able to be traded for position players of equal value (maybe all this austerity program stuff will begin to pay off soon).

As for Verrett, Cohoon, and Schwinden, my guess is all three will compete in camp for the SP7 piggybacking spot Las Vegas will start the season off with.

 

AA – Gabriel Ynoa, Rainy Lara, Matt Bowman, Hansel Robles, Angel Cuan, Domingo Tapia, Alex Panteliodis, Tyler Pill -

I only have two guaranteed starters here (Ynoa, Lara), but lots of potential from the other six listed. My wild card here would be Pill, who struggled at the AA level last year (1-1, 7.58) and wound up on the DL for most of the season with what was first diagnosed as ‘triceps tendonitis’. The ‘breath of fresh air’ award last year had to go to Bowman, a 13th round pick in 2012, who went 10-4, 3.05, in 21-starts for Savannah/St. Lucie. He turns 23 in May so there’s no reason to hold him back at the A+ level. The rest (Robles, Cuan, Tapia, Panteliodis) will fight it out for the remaining slots. My guess is both Cuan and Robles will begin a conversion to the pen, especially in the case of Cuan (starter split: 4.57, relief split: 1.73).

 

A+ - Steven Matz, Michael Fulmer, Luis Cessa, Luis Mateo, Seth Lugo, Jake Kuebler –

Both Matz and Fulmer have the potential to become SP3-4 pitchers and will complicate the Mets rotation around opening day 2016. Cessa has basically done nothing wring let and the highly touted Mateo comes back from TJ surgery. All of these pitchers become instant trade bait in about a year… if they stay healthy and if they continue to produce. Keep a medic close to this staff.

 

A – Miller Diaz, Robert Gsellman, John Gant, Carlos Valdez, Dario Alvarez, Logan Taylor –

We now get down to levels that are impossible to project. Pitchers down here are still learning how to throw a third pitch and hit corners with their fastball, while, at the same time, A-level batters have absolutely no plate patience and will swing at anything.  I can’t begin to tell you how many pitchers I have seen than excelled in either Savannah or Brooklyn and never panned out in this sport. Right now, Diaz, Gsellman, and Gant look to be a lock to be in the Sand Gnats rotation. All three have had much success in their young professional career.

 

Low-A – Robert Whelan, Chris Flexen, Yoan Gonzalez, Martirez Arias, Persio Reyes –

Again, we can’t really project at this level, but we might be seeing the beginning of two future pitching stars on this team with Whelan (Kingsport - 12-starts, 3-2,  1.87) and Flexen (Kingsport – 11-starts, 8-1, 2.09). Both are extremely young and will be given the proper amount of time to mature.

 

Extended Camp – Andrew Church, Jose Medina, Corey Oswalt, Andrew Masse, Carlos Gomez, Brandon Welsh, Marcos Molina, Yoryi Nuez, Casey Meisner, Luis Silva, Jose Celas, Darwin Ramos, Scarlyn Reyes               

Two thing stand out here… the disappointment of last year’s #2 draft pick (Church: 5.91), and the incredible ERA of Medina (DSL2 – 12-starts, 0.35).

 

Summation – There is still a ton of talent on the mounds of Mets’ affiliates and the future of this team will either be directly affected by their talent or indirectly about who they are traded for.

Grade – A+

10 comments:

Unknown said...

How did the kid u wanted last year do, I forgot his name but I believe he was a 1stbasemen/ outfielder that went cali college? I think they should have taking him with second rd pick

Anonymous said...

Mack what Do you trink about Sean Newcomb? I would love it too add a high ceiling lefty to this list

greg b said...

I guess thats Alderson's plan. Stockpile the pitching so you can trade 2 or 3 of them in a package and still have more pitching so we dont get diplited.

Mack Ade said...

Anon - Newcomb would be an excellent pick

BTW - the pitchers in this draft are much more talented than the outfielders... an excellent draft to keep stockpiling

Mack Ade said...

Greg -

This would be an excellent draft to pick pitchers in both the first and second round... very deep, talented pool of pitching

Charles said...

Ive stated this before: the greatest draft strategy there is has to be drafting the best pitcher available. Every time and without fail, i'd make sure that id pick the best arms I could in the first 10 rounds.

would I pass on a great young bat? absolutely!!! If a team like the Mets drafted a pitcher with their first rounder the past 3 years, they could have easily build themselves one of the youngest and best teams in the game this off season.

In Mets dream land, if they picked Jose Fernandez and Wacha in 2011 and 2012, they could hve easily traded Jon Niese AND Dillion Gee this off season and fill whatever spots they wanted to positionally. The Dickey, Latos, and Shields trades has taught us that the best currency in baseball is the veteran starter. Each team who traded the pitcher got a great return and plenty of youth coming back to them.

Just wait until David Price gets traded this winter, the Rays will basically ensure there survival amongst the big market teams for another few years. If you're worried that the system will be vois of position players, you can use some later picks to draft a couple of high upside, projectable prep players and hope for the best. Other than that, let the other teams develop those players and use your pitching to trade for which ever ones you want.

ALWAYS DRAFT THE BEST PITCHERS AVAILABLE. ALWAYS!!!!

greg b said...

Your right about that stratergy, you never have enough pitching, and you have teams that would give you alot for pitching.

Mack Ade said...

Charley has consistently said the same thing and I truly believe he may have the secret of turning any team around... in 7-8 years

Mets Dreams said...

Ok, this is off topic but will touch on SP. If the Mets are not going to play in the deep end then some out of the box thinking is needed. First, sign Salty for about 9 mil AAV. Second, use Travis d'Arnaud as trade bait to land a good OF, maybe as part of a package for Coespedis or Zobrist, probably with Murphy. Third, sign Omar Infante to play 2B and be a part-time SS. He has played over 200 MLB games at short and the theory works for Tampa Bay. Fourth, sign Corey Hart to play 1B and maybe some OF (same TB theory). Fifth, sign Scott Kazmir to round out the rotation. Most of the signings will be 2-3 years and allow the Mets prospects to grow. As you pointed out, the organization is very deep at catcher, so having a power hitting catcher in Salty would be a great bridge. Lineup could be:

EY/Flores: 2B
Infante: SS
Wright: 3B
Hart: 1B
Salty: C
Zobrist/Cespedes: RF
Young: LF
Lagares: CF

SP
Niese
Wheeler
Gee
Kazmir
Montero/Mejia

I'm sure the Infante at SS would have to be tweaked but at least that is a lineup I would pay money to go see.

Mack Ade said...

Met Dreams -

The only weakness I see in your thinking is d'Arnaud who is currently untradeable due to a history of injuries. He's going nowhere until he plays a full season off the DL