3/6/14

Morning Report – 3-6-14 – Thole, SOGOTP, Boagerts, Molina, Game Notes





Coming Up –

             9 am - Mack - Baby Steps

           10 am Herb G - March 5 - Plusses and Minuses in Today’s Split Squad Games

12pm noon – Reese Kaplan - Once Again, I'm Just Sayin'...

          2 pm – Christopher Soto – MM's Top 25- #4 RF Cesar Puello

          4 pm - A Quick Look - LHP - Mac Marshall - Parkview (GA) HS

6 pm - Jeff Hoffman, Kodi Medeiros, Braxton Davidson, Milton Ramos



Mike Vorkunov ‏@Mike_Vorkunov  - Ruben Tejada says hamstring is feeling better but being safe. Terry Collins hoping for Friday but Tejada says maybe later


Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS  - Matt Harvey will be paid $546,625 in 201


Mike Puma ‏@NYPost_Mets  - Frank Viola on Steven Matz: "He's got a 2-seam, 4-seam fastball and changeup that will challenge anybody. I'll go to my grave with that.



Sully-chat –
Comment From Swing and a Miss Piggy- any hope for an Ike Davis resurgence? (if that would qualify as like a .230/.330/.470 line?)

Jeff Sullivan: Of course yes, some hope. Not enough hope



Josh Thole

        This is Thole’s six major league camp. He went to Port St. Lucie as a Mets prospect in 2009, in 2010 he had a chance, losing out to Rod Barajas and Blanco. He was the everyday catcher with the 2011-12 Mets. Last year he came to Dunedin fighting for a job.

“Same thing this year,” said Thole in the first base dugout. “I know I have to hit to make this team.”

Thole, who hit .175 with one homer and eight RBIs, has two hits in four at-bats in the early going.

“I’ve only been here one year, I hit .175, so rightly so the perception is I’m a .175 hitter, I have to change that,” said Thole. http://www.torontosun.com/2014/03/04/blue-jays-should-go-with-an-experienced-catcher-for-ra-dickey

MackI don’t think there was a single player in the Mets organization that I was more at ease with than Josh, who seems to be having major problems holding on to his job in Toronto. Read the sad story.



A lot of writers, both beat and blog, are saying that it’s S.O.G.O.T.P. time for Sandy Alderson. Actually, the shiting and potting a Wilpon thing. Scott Boras still has two clients, one at first base, and the other at shortstop, that could be the difference in a bad to playoff season. They both could be brought to the Mets for around a combined $25mil a year for 2-3 years, which all could be paid back through increased ticket sales during these years. Trust me, you put a team on the field that is competitive and fighting it out with Atlanta or first base, you are going to sell a lot more tickets that don’t cost five bucks.

Ruben Tejada would make a wonderful backup middle infielder and you can pick between Duda and Davis to be the AAA/emergency first baseman. The other could be DFA’d off for a trade for a chip.

I’m sort of done with screwing around. This team needs to fill in the offensive cracks that this pitching staff deserves to have around it and what better was to do it than with more of Wilpon’s unspent fortune.


After years of establishing himself as one of the top shortstop prospects in the game, Xander Boagerts’ big postseason solidified his role as the starting shortstop for the 2014 Red Sox. With Bogaerts ready for the Big Show, management appeared comfortable letting Drew walk, with the future having already arrived. http://throughthefencebaseball.com/boston-red-sox-preview-2/41460#YjciW2YelX4A7DeP.99


Gary asked -

Good morning Mack, Just wanting your opinions on a few things. In Mets minors there's an article where Depo talks about a few minor leaguers all of whom I read about except Marcos Molina...your thoughts on him please.  Also I am always surprised when on SNY shows like  DNY and Loudmouths they can go on and on about wanting to see Thor pitching in Queens to start the season when the know: 1: he has a pitch count limit this season  2: he has only pitched a limited # of inning above single A  and 3: ownership would be foolish to lose a year of team control for a few months now. Lets go Mets, Gary.

        Mack – Thanks Gary for the questions.

Molina is one of the international guys that, like IF Amed Rosario, has impressed the scouts more than the stats created. Frankly, I had never know a thing about him until he popped up on one of the prospect ranking sheets (BA?). I did some checking around and yes, he was highly thought of by the scouts that saw him pitch. Everything is raw at these ages (I remember a 19-year old Jeurys Familia coming to Savannah) but when you hear that sound a ball can make in a catcher’s glove, you know you may have a big fish on your line here.

Regarding Loud Mouths, that’s organized chatter. I was in radio for the beginning of talk radio.  Howard, Rush, Imus, Eskin… all were told by program directors that, the more shocking crap that came out of their mouths, the more people would listen. I watch the Daily New half hour and then turn that channel off until the post game (Mets blockout game coverage in South Carolina).I suggest you get Netflix rather than watch that crap.


3-5 Game Highlights -

      Kirk Nieuwenhuis continues to hit his way into a utility slot on opening day...

      Eric Young Jr. wants to make sure everybody remembers he's still around... 

      Jenrry Mejia didn't do enough to earn himself the SP5 slot. He was wild and threw a ground ball into what seemed like the Atlantic Ocean. Major League starters have to have better control of their game, even if it's their first spring game. The good news was 3-Ks through two innings... the bad news... 4-hits, one throwing error and two walks in the first two innings... 

      Dillon Gee did... err... okay. Was pulled after 2.01-IP due to pitch count... gave up one run with one strike out...

      This might be the last time we see  John Church, Cory Mazzoni , and Adam Kolarek in Big Boy Camp this spring...

      Carlos Torres gave 1.2 more reasons he will be the 'long man' out of the pen this year...

      Anthony Seratelli proved he's capable of producing a clutch 2-run single... 

      Erik Campbell is doing everything he can to prove it's his turn this year...

      

      

23 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

Eric Campbell is an intiguing guy and seems to just lack a power tool - steroids use aside, if I were in his position, I'd be slamming the weight room all offseason to correct that flaw. it could mostly be his swing, but the same swing and more strength should mean more power, especially if it is a well controlled (non-Ike) swing, I'd think. Anyone know of his trainng regimen?

Let's hope no one is anointing Kirk as the next utility guy. He had a Met stretch in 2012 and 2013 where he went 9 for 90 with 40 Ks. Ankiel-like #'s. I always fear this guy showing some promise and then regressing to that. I'd rather have Dekker (who has always showed struglle then a step forward), or Eric Campbell out there.

Unknown said...

I don't believe if we got drew and morales we would make the playoffs. It would be a step forward this year but probably be a hindrance next year when better options may be available. The only offensive free agent I believe would of helped this year in making a push towards playoffs and definitely in ticket sales would have been Cano.

Mack Ade said...

Adam Smith · Boston University School of Law
Love those SP numbers. Truly, there is a future in Queens. Also, I'm pretty sure Flores will hit.

Mack Ade said...

John -

You and I disagree on this.

The Mets are only a coupl of decent hitters away from a playoff team, mainly because of their excellent pitching.

Mack Ade said...

Thomas -

Campbell isn't a bulky weight room answer... he's exactly what he is... an all-star AAAA player that has a chance to make Queens as a utility player... can play both corner outfield and infield positions and is a consistent .280 hitter

Reese Kaplan said...

Here's a wild thought....

If Seratelli shows he is capable of playing SS, then why not hand him both the starting job and the leadoff spot in the batting order. He has some power, good speed, high OBP vs. Ruben Tejada who has...?

bgreg98180 said...

Mack,
I'm with you on picking up Drew or making a trade to upgrade Shortstop being a necessity right now. I have to point to Alderson's statement about "being a 90 win team" as the reason he has to make a move now, not later.
I may not believe that the team currently is a 90 win team. Others may not believe the Mets can win that many games, But if Alderson believes it, then he sees this team as fighting for a playoff spot right up until the end of the season.
If a general manager sees their team as being in that type of position, I would assume they would realize the importance of every single game, because losing 2-3 more games or winning 2-3 more games could possibly make all of the difference in the world with making the playoffs and/or playoff opponents.
I would imagine this would make the general manager realize that a team with Drew (or other upgrade through trade) as a starter with Tejada as a back-up is a much better combination than Tejada as a starter and Quintanilla as a back-up. This difference could be your 2-3 wins over the course of a full year.

Anonymous said...

@Reese

Believe me....its not outside the realm of possibility....

Tom Brennan said...

Hey Bob Gregory

I am not an expert in WAR, and I am not saying you are relying on WAR in your comment, but I've seen enough games to say that Drew or Franklin, with Tejada as a sub, will lead to a lot more than 2 to 3 more wins over a Tejada/Quintanilla combo. How about 5 to 7. Sometimes the statisticians just don't capture it.

Sandy has to do something. Ruben is giving us a wake up call that all will not go optimally at SS this year if he is the man.already

bgreg98180 said...

Tom
I just threw out the 2-3 games as being a "low-ball" number. A number that would be a given, to make my point that........... once again......... Alderson's words do not match his actions.
I am trying to figure out whether Alderson believes what he says.... but isnt able to follow through his thoughts to the next logical step
or
If Alderson doesnt believe what he says..... but believes that Met fans are not smart enought to think through the next logical step and get upset.

Unknown said...

I wouldn't want to be bogged down with Drews salary after this year. So sign him to a one year deal. We will have more options next year with free agency and more prospects to trade for a shortstop.
This year we will maybe win 81 games at most, so hopefully c. Young, Colon, Murphy, Gee, and if they get Drew can be traded after the all star break to stock up more prospects.
Then we can give Lagares, Puello and Flores full time duty in the majors the rest of season. That way we can see what they got going into 2015.

Unknown said...

Drew isn't that good of a hitter and gets injured to easily and Morales really still hasn't been the same since he jumped on home plate 3 years ago. Next year we will have more prospects that will be able to be traded and can bring back better of a return then those two players. The way the team stands now, we are just going to finish in 4th place again.
Also if they got Cano ticket sales would have skyrocketed through the roof. Merchandise sales would have followed suit as well. So instead of spending on c. Young, colon and trading duda and Ike, for about the same amount of $$$ we could have had Cano and boosted this fan base.
A middle of the order of
Murphy
Cano
Wright
Granderson
Would have been a strong enough lineup to push us to playoff contention.

bgreg98180 said...

John

I go back to my comment earlier though.....
if Alderson believes this team is on the edge of playoff games... (90 wins)
and every game counts....
why are you as a general manager.. .... going to stop ... when one more player....
at a discounted price (according to what other shortstops have gotten in the market)....?????
heck ..... the contract at this point shouldn't even be an issue.... because of:
1) how close 90 games is to playoffs- every additional game counts sooo much more
2) the discounted price & yrs (if drew)
3) the player could always be traded afterwards (if drew)
4) the new shortstop could be traded for

Unknown said...

I don't think drew gets u to the promise land, but I would sign him at a discount and then trade him in July.
Also signing Drew won't put more fannies in the seats to justify the extra expenditure from their point of view.
They need another big bat in that lineup and then fill it with young defensive cheap filler players. Drew and morales aren't those type of players. Yeah they are experienced but not the put you over the top allstar caliber that we need.
I would catagorize them as Jason bay types, not a Gian Carlo Stanton type. That's the type of bat we need.

Mack Ade said...

That Adam Smith
Love those SP numbers. Truly, there is a future in Queens. Also, I'm pretty sure Flores will hit.
Reply · 1 · Like · Follow Post · 4 hours ago

Jeffrey Carone · Works at Ridgefield High School
Mack
I couldn't agree more about signing Drew and Morales. I'm so sick of waiting for impending doom when any of Duda, Davis, or Tejada are involved in any kind of play whether it is at bat or in the field. Teams are always looking for players with tools and those 3 just seem to have very limited tool buckets. Drew adds an above average defender with good pop for a SS, while Morales adds a switch hitting power bat. I'm sure Morales defense at 1B is questionable but so is Duda's. And while Davis has a good glove his quickness leaves a lot to be desired.
If the ownership suite wants to be a 90 win team on the field then they need to be a 90 win front office. Signing both Drew and Morales takes the payroll above 100 mil. Both seem to be able to be signed for anywhere from 1-3 years so the commitment does not have to be forever. Imagine what a buzz there would be around the Mets if next week, Drew and Morales strolled into camp. Let Murph leadoff. Murphy, Drew, Wright, Grandy, Morales, Young, Travis, (EY/Lagares). That lineup would sell some tickets!
Reply · Like · Follow Post · 2 hours ago

Christopher Soto · Follow · District I Coordinator at National Club Baseball Association
Jeff, there's a reason why these guys are still Free Agents. Its not just about the money. Its about the money in relation to the draft pick they would lose if they were to sign Drew or Morales. Plus Drew's demands aren't helping. To make the signing worthwhile for the Mets with the loss of a pick it has to be at least 2 years. Drew is asking for 2 with an opt out clause after the 1st (which he would certainly take). Is one year of Stephen Drew, in a season where we are not expecting to make the playoffs, worth losing out on another Dominic Smith type draft pick? At this point I think not.
Reply · Like · 2 hours ago

Cj McNell
So after one spring training game, two innings, mind you first real action after surgery. Jenrry Mejia didn't do enough to earn himself the SP5 slot.
Are you kidding me. Is spring over, I didn't realize everything was based off the very first spring training game. Come On Man
Reply · Like · Follow Post · 2 hours ago

Christopher Soto · Follow · District I Coordinator at National Club Baseball Association
In fairness, the cards are stacked against Mejia. Terry Collins has clearly stated that he prefers a veteran like Matsuzaka or Lannan over Mejia so the only way Mejia is going to break camp as the #5 starter is to force his way on.

Yesterday's performance is not gonna get it done due to the BB's

Mack Ade said...

Zozo -

You don' honestly think some team is going to trade a Stanton-type bat at this point in the spring???

bgreg98180 said...

Mack

What are your thoughts on Alderson's words in comparison to his actions?
Does he realize or care that Met fans become upset or confused when it seems that he says one thing and then does the opposite?
Should he care?
If he does care..... yet still has this disconnect between his words and actions.... should Met fans begin to seriously question his leadership?
If he doesn't care..... how should Met fans react if the team's performance doesn't live up to his stated expectations?

Mack Ade said...

Look, my comments on Mejia (and I'm a BIG Mejia fan) were simply based on the fact that he did not show the command that Syndergaard, Montero, and deGrom did on their first two innings.

The end reuslt of the stat line did not tell the full picture and it's my job to tell you what I interpret and see.

For now, Mejia continues to have the same problem he has had since he has put on a Mets uniform... consistent command.

Unknown said...

No definitely not, but that's what this team needs next. Another solid option, not drew or morales. Another upper echelon type player like wright/ Stanton that can bat 3 or 4. When that finally happens we will take the next step.

Mack Ade said...

Well then Zozo, it better be Grandy or, based on your parameters, this season is over until the next free agency period

Unknown said...

Yes siree bob!!! Trust me we will just be rooting for the kids to get better and the vets to be traded...

Unknown said...

Ok I agree the deck is stacked against jenrry mejia, but I don't feel his performance will be the reason he don't make the 25, it's terry Collins biased for veterans

Mack Ade said...

Clyde - every manager has his own style. TC's is old school. I don't like it either