2/8/25

Reese Kaplan -- Is the Starting Pitching Ready to Contend?


Some people disagree with me regarding the state of the Mets roster as I outlined for everyone yesterday.  They call me cynical, unappreciative and negative.  Yup, I’m all of those things.  That’s how you stay ahead of things by being prepared.  Towards that end, let’s take a look at the To Do List now that most folks feel that all that has been said and done is all that’s needed for the team to go all the way to the World Series. 


On the starting pitching front, there are most definitely some question marks mentioned over the past few months.  Beginning with Kodai Senga, no one knows if he is the 2023 pitcher who absolutely dominated upon his introduction to baseball in America or if he is capable of moving past the injury plagued season of 2024.  Right now he’s theoretically the ace despite many claiming the next name on the list deserves that honor.

Sean Manaea’s free agent contract last year was met with tepid satisfaction when he was brought on board for the 2024 campaign during David Stearns’ rookie season as the head baseball honcho.  No one could have predicted how the change in delivery would catapult Manaea from a mid tier pitcher as he was in the past but propels him towards the front of the rotation.  His work was commendable for sure.  He finished 2024 with a record of 12-6 with a 3.47 ERA.  The number that jumps out to me is the WHIP which was barely above 1 runner per inning pitched.  He got a fresh new contract and obviously folks hope he can replicate or even improve upon those numbers.

Next comes the “where did HE come from” pitcher, David Peterson.  The big lefty has always shown flashes of brilliance but health problems apparently took their toll on his overall ability to pitch at an elite level.  Well, after a bit of a late start he finished last season with eye popping numbers — 10-3 with a 2.90 ERA.  He was giving up a few too many base runners, but even showed off his adaptability by working successfully out of the pen in the postseason.  Like Manaea, you hope he can replicate what he did but there are certainly doubters out there who have seen what he’s done for most of his career.

Clay Holmes may indeed be the true key to how far the Mets can progress towards October baseball.  As a relief pitcher for the Yankees he was among the best in the game.  In the last three full years in the Bronx after a mid season rescue from Pittsburgh he has delivered some pretty impressive numbers.  The 14-13 records won’t impress you but the 2.85 ERA and the better than 3:1 strikeout to walk ratio certainly will.  Add to it a WHIP of 1.165 and you can see why David Stearns agreed to the experiment to make him into a starting pitcher.  It’s realistic to expect some growing pains, but those numbers were the result of just under 200 games for the Yankees, so it’s not as if they were just a brief hot streak.  If he makes it like Seth Lugo did then he can be a huge difference maker.

Now we get to the 2025 version of the Luis Severino signing with Frankie Montas.  If you recall, Severinto had both health and performance issue which made him available at a lower price than you would expect for someone of his experience and past accomplishments.  That worked out quite well as he finished with a solid if unspectacular 3.91 ERA and landed himself a big ticket deal.  Montas, unfortunately, has never had a pattern of long term success.  He’s a 4.09 ERA pitcher for his career and except for his 2021 season in Oakland when he finished at 3.37 with a 13-9 record he has been at best a 4th or 5th starter.  I don’t pretend to understand the seeming overpay for him when you could have had Jack Flaherty or saved money and gotten likely similar performance out of the much less expensive Tylor Megill.  He is a very expensive wildcard selection. 

Behind them you have the aforementioned Megill, Paul Blackburn, Griffin Canning, Max Kranick and a variety of other wannabes.  Given the question marks on the rotation as it stands right now there should be no one disinterested in finding another number one or two caliber starting pitcher.

Next we’ll look at the bullpen, the bench and the starting lineup.  Indeed, there’s still room for improvement in all of them. 

15 comments:

TexasGusCC said...

I understand that this is from a reputation approach to each starting pitcher, but an ace was just signed a few weeks ago by the Detroit franchise to a very un-ace like contract. Why no one wanted to give Flaherty a decent long term deal is surprising but receiving only $25MM for his first year speaks volumes. Flaherty in the front of this rotation would have given the fans that warm fuzzy feeling, but what happens when whatever caused the Yankees to back out of the deadline deal comes to fruition?

We must remember that starting pitchers now go about six innings at most. While Senga and Manaea can get into the seventh inning regularly, that isn’t the norm around baseball. The Dodgers have cornered the market on aces in their rotation, but we all have to play the hand we are dealt and when you see how many of their aces were unavailable for the playoffs, you understand the volatility of the position.

While the Mets don’t have a fan approved #1 guy, they have two #2’s in Manaea and Senga. Now they need either Montas or Peterson to continue their ascent into #2 status. My bet is in Montas of those two, but Peterson has always persevered despite his walk rates, so…

I view the Phillies rotation as one of the best and realize the Mets pitching will once again need to overperform their biasness, but if the Mets offense does its job, the pitching just needs to be solid, not spectacular.

LOLLL, let the Dodgers win every game by ten runs, the Mets just need to win by one or two.

Tom Brennan said...

I’m feeling pretty good about the rotation.

First, they are fortunate to not have to face the dangerous Mets offense.

Senga I think comes back strong. If not…

Amazing that Manaea got a better contract than Pete, but good starters are hard to find, and the Mets were 23-9 in his starts last year.

Peterson, I blame his prior-to-2024 mediocrity on his bad hip, repaired last off season. I think he will have a big year, backed by a better offense and bullpen.

Montas? It seems he tweaked something late in 2024, that they hope will upgrade his performance in 2025.

Holmes? I am excited to see what he can do as a starter. If he falters, move him back to the pen when Sproat is ready. The pen would then be a killer.

Megill isn’t a bad #6.

Kranick? His use might indicate panic.

I’m excited. Let’s go.

Tom Brennan said...

The Dodgers did add a 38-19 pitcher pitching for a bad team this off season. Name? Ohtani. Uh oh.

TexasGusCC said...

Yea, that f’ing Ohtani guy. Don’t worry, he will retire in eight years.

As for the Mets, I like Megill and Canning to be good starters and Blackburn to be in the bullpen.

I saw an interview with an analyst on MLB that said Sproat throws hard, but it’s too straight. His slider is actually his ace pitch. Tong throws over the top, so he doesn’t go east and west as well as he does north and south. McLean has the most tools to succeed but the least control.

Tom Seaver and Jim Hunter (Catfish) said that it doesn’t matter how hard you throw if you could put it exactly where you want. Why did baseball get away from this? And, both these guys talked of throwing all the time to build your command.

Tom Brennan said...

And neither needed TJS.

Mack Ade said...

I too worry about Senga and also wish there was a true ace on this squad, but knowing the kind of run production this team now has plus 5 decent pen arms makes me confident this team will win around 90 games this season

That Adam Smith said...

Hi Reese. This morning I agree with you. I’d really like to see Stearns find a way to trade for one more high-end pitcher to solidify a 6-man rotation. Cease or King come to mind, though of course it takes two to tango, and I wouldn’t give up Williams or Sproat to get it done. I like Montas’ stuff and think there’s more to get from him, we’ll see. But yeah, Senga and Holmes also have to be seen as question marks to some extent. One more quality starter would really solidify things.

Mack Ade said...

Padres wanted Sproat, Williams, and Acuña for Cease

That Adam Smith said...

That would be a no.

TexasGusCC said...

Correct Adam: That’s a “HELL NO”, to quote Samuel L. Jackson.

bill metsiac said...

It's interesting that, with all the talk about "histories", no one has mentioned the histories of Stearns, Hefner, and (more recently) the mysterious pitching "lab".

Stearns and his scouting staff have a fine track record of building excellent staffs, and doing do with a low'budget team that consistently topped the NLC , ahead of the free-spending Cubs.

And Heb and the lab have a histry of turning mediocre pitchers into stars.

A year ago, we started off with a rotation of ZERO aces except the one who essentially stayed off the field all year. Peterson and Megill were dubbed "AAAA" quality, Sevy seemed to be declining rapidly, and Manaea and Q seemed like fillers. We had no Ace, and no one who looked like a quality Number 2. Our Closer hadn't pitched in a year, and no one else looked ready to fill tat roll. Our best set-up men, Raley and Robertson were gone to injury and relocation. And our offense was sputtering with under-performing Pete and Squirrel; a hurting Marte, and a Baty who disappeared after a decent start.

What would (or did) anyone think that crew would do in a division dominated by the Braves and Phillies, especially with a rookie mgr who came from the Other League?

How did that team end up, and what makes the current team worse? I refuse to go into Gloom & Doom mode.

Remember1969 said...

I am not worried about the pitching staff - either the rotation or the pen.

Senga's shoulder issues were behind him when he made his only start in August. The leg muscle was unrelated to his earlier injury. There is no real reason at this point to be concerned about his health.
I have always like Manaea - I remember wanting to get him from Oakland when they had that promising staff of Bassitt, Manaea, and Montas. Manaea finally realized that potential.
I think Montas will benefit from being in the same rotation as Manaea. Apparently they have been good friends since their Oakland days - that counts in the intangible column.
Peterson is a former first round draft pick. It's probably time for us to start treating him as such. He is a damn good pitcher when healthy.
Holmes is the question mark in my mind, but again, he has been a very good pitcher and has the stuff. I would be worried if he were to be the 'Ace', but as the #5 guy, we could do a whole lot worse. And 6-7-8 being Megill (who has had some MLB success and was the Opening day starter a few years back -OK, by default, but he threw a good game that day!), Canning, a workhorse who throws a lot of innings, and Blackburn who was brought into the middle of this rotation last year. That is a solid, if not great, 1 through 8. And Sproat may be ready by mid year.
I do not want to see them trade for anyone else - with the offense they have, they don't need a star-studded rotation.

Remember1969 said...

+1

Mack Ade said...

There is a great chance that the Mets won't have to go shopping at the deadline for a starter if Sproat aces it in AAA

That Adam Smith said...

💯 agree.