What An Offense the Mets Will Have in 2025
The Mets surely had a juggernaut offense in 1999.
They racked up a club record of 853 runs.
Piazza, Rickey, Olerud, Alfonso, Cedeno, etc. Nice.
The 2025 Mets also appear to be an offensive juggernaut.
I mean, to name 12, Juan Soto, Francisco Lindor, Pete Alonso, Brandon Nimmo, Mark Vientos, Jeff McNeil, Jesse Winker, Francisco Alvarez, LA Acuna, Tyrone Taylor, Starling Marte, Jose Siri…
I think this team can manufacture 854 or more runs (5.25 per game) if it stays reasonably healthy.
What do you think?
18 comments:
The goal should be 887 or one more than the MLB leader in 2024. I would like to see 1000 runners touch home plate this year.
The one thing that needs to improve is batting average. Their .246 average last year was actually .003 above league average, but .260 seems better. Arizona was the leader with .263 (resulting in their 886 runs).
Hi Tom. I agree that the offense looks very good from here. Now what would it look like if two players in particular, McNeil and Alvarez, are much better in ‘25 than they were in ‘24. McNeil really seemed to figure it back out in the 2nd half last year (for the first time since the shift was banned) as he crushed the ball for two months and looked like a batting champ again. I think he’s going to have a big year. And Alvarez, if he can keep himself healthy, should take a step forward and look more like the 25 HR guy he was as a rookie than the guy with the bad hand who hit 11. Big years from those two would make this lineup really, really scary.
McNeil keeps changing his swing. When he ups his trajectory, he gets more home runs and far less BA
1000 runs is very rarified air. I do not see that. I do not even see 900.
Not in a pitcher-friendly park. 887 is also a stretch to me, because not everyone will over-perform and the combo of Siri and Taylor might be good for .220. But Soto should get on base nearly 300 times. How huge is that addition? McNeil AND Nimmo should not swing for the fences. A .380 combined OBP from the two would be nice.
It is actually pretty vital for Nimmo and McNeil to focus on a high OBP. Why? With that, plus Soto, Lindor, Pete, Vientos, and Alvarez, the number of big innings in 2025 could explode. The pitchers against them will quickly get demoralized.
I expect McNeil to open the season as the starting second baseman but I don't expect the Mets to have a long fuse if he starts slow or brings back the dugout drama
If their top 3 are consistently Lindor - Nimmo - Soto, it is possible that the three of them combined will have an OBP of between .400 and .420. Getting on base 40+% of the time for Alonso and Vientos looks like a pretty good offense to me. McNeil, Alvarez, Winker/Marte, and Taylor at 6-7-8-9 is a pretty strong bottom of the order. This is the deepest line-up I can remember.
I remember when I was making the push for Soto thinking how good that will make the first inning alone. In 2024 Soto scored 33 runs in the first inning. The Mets scored 67. The Mets will have many more early leads in 2025 than they had in 2024. The pitchers will appreciate that.
For us to really succeed the 3 biggest contributions have to come from Nimmo, McNeil and Alverez.
Nimmo has to return to the .380 OBP guy he was. He is pretty much useless hitting .226. I don't care how many HR's he hits. He has to get on base.
McNeil has to get his batting average above .280. His OBP is never near .380 so he must hit for average.
Alverez is a big key for success. If he continues that ridiculous out of control swing, he will never be more than a .230 hitter. He needs to worry more about his approach than hitting homeruns, the homeruns will eventually come. We need him to turn into the star he was talked about.
That didn’t happen last year, Mack. Jeff hit 2/3 of his HR (8 of 12) in 1/3 of his season AB’s during July and August, and also had his highest 2-mo stretch of batting average of the season over those two months. I just think he finally remembered how to hit when there’s no shift.
It's unfortunate that he got hurt in early September and lost the rest of the season. I agree that his hitting after the all-star break last year forecasts a resurgence for this year.
Joe, I certainly agree with your premise of Nimmo, McNeil, and Alvaraez needing to convert to do what they do best. I am not sure I would say that they will be key to the team success.
To me, a bigger key is no regression from Vientos and a better year (batting average and RBI) from Alonso. Health from Alvarez is actually more key than homers. They have to get at least 110 games from the starting catcher.
I'd be surprised if Marte makes the opening day roster.
Hitting in MLB is very difficult. Even though this lineup has many players that have proven they CAN hit doesn't mean that they WILL hit, or at least all hit together. To score 900-1000 runs, everyone will have to have close to a career year and the hits will have to be bunched together. If we are unlucky, one Met will have a stellar April, the next a stellar May, and we will score less runs than last year. If we are lucky, a few guys will get hot at once and Mendoza will have to structure the lineup to take advantage.
I was a bit disappointed that McNeil didn’t play more against the Dodgers as Inglesias was a negative on offense. Only in Game 6, when the Mets had to, did they let McNeil play and he had a nice game.
Actually Paul, I would prefer that route because that means the lineup always has someone carrying it. Not like years when the whole lineup went to sleep. By having at least one guy in fire it helps to make the carousel turn more often.
Back in 2017, the Mets averaged 4 runs per game. In other words, "four score and seven years ago"
Sounds more like "Score four seven years ago"
I agree with you Paul. 900 is a stretch, 1000 is pretty much impossible. Arizona scored 886 without much fanfare, so if you get some .400 OBP guys and some sluggers behind them, and the lineup is constructed well, it is possible.
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