SOME GUPPY PROSPECTS DESERVE TO BE RANKED
I came across another website's (Prospects1500) Top 50 (actually Top 52) produced prior to the 2022 season, and found it pretty solid stuff (good for them) except for 2 notable misses I mention at the end (so make sure you read that far).
I added in Parada, Tidwell, & Jett, 3 very talented draftees in July 2022, to the list.
The Brennan Top 50 list is a work in progress, so I thought this might be an interesting way to start it.
I'll formulate a tighter top 50 later, probably in January 2023.
Here is their logic on prospects' Tiered Ranking, which make logical sense to me:
Prospects1500 Tiers: Tier 1: Players with high expectations of both making the majors and playing at an All-Star level for a number of years Tier 2: Players with an above-average expectation of making the majors and being a solid contributor Tier 3: Players with an average expectation of making the majors and being a solid contributor Tier 4: Players who have the potential of making the majors, or have a high likelihood of making the majors but providing minimal impact (e.g. middle reliever, low-ceiling UT guys. Tier 5: Players of interest,
worth keeping an eye on, who have an outside chance of making their team’s
40-man roster |
Ages/levels at left were respective ages and highest levels prior to 2022.
Tier 1 |
Brennan’s Nov. 2022 Take |
1. Francisco Alvarez, C, 20, High-A |
Agreed. Tier 1, # 1. BOOM! |
2. Brett Baty, 3B, 22, AA |
Agreed. Tier 1, # 2. BANG! |
Tier 2 |
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3. Ronny Mauricio, SS, 20, AA |
Agreed. Tier 1, # 3. 114 RBIs in 2022 pre-Thanksgiving. BASH! |
4. Matt Allan, RHP, 20, Low-A. |
Non-play since 2019. To me, that slides him to Tier 3, # 11. |
5. Mark Vientos, 3B, 22, AAA |
Agreed. Tier 2 # 5. BOMB! |
Kevin Parada |
2022 draft, I’d put him at #4 now. |
Jett Williams |
2022 draft, I’d put him at #7 now. |
Tier 3 |
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6. J.T. Ginn, RHP, 22, High-A |
Traded. Strong in Az Fall League. |
7. Alex Ramirez, OF, 19, Low-A |
Tier 2, #8. |
8. Robert Dominguez, RHP, 20, Rookie (FCL). |
Fragile. Tier 4, much lower rank. Just 12 pro IP? Come on, dude. |
9. Dominic Hamel, RHP, 22, Rookie (FCL) |
Tier 3, edging towards Tier
2, my # 9. |
Blade Tidwell |
2022 draft. High Octane RHP. Tier
2 # 11 |
10. Calvin Ziegler, RHP, 19, High Sch |
Tier 3, # 11. Unexpectedly wild in 2022. |
11. Carlos Cortes, 2B, 24, AA |
Slipped to a Tier 4/5 after a
bad 2022. |
12. Khalil Lee, OF, 23, MLB |
Slipped to a Tier 4/5 after a
bad 2022. |
13. Jose Butto, RHP, 23, AA |
Tier 3, he’s my # 12. Solid
2022. |
14. Jaylen Palmer, IF/OF, 21, High-A |
Slipped to a Tier 4/5 after a
K-bad 2022. |
15. Junior Santos, RHP, 20, Low-A |
Disappointing 2022, I’d put
him Tier 4 |
16. Nick Plummer, OF, 25, AAA |
Slipped to a Tier 4/5 after a
bad 2022. |
17. Joel Diaz, RHP, 17, Rookie (DSL) |
Leave him here for now. He was fair in St Lucie, but made strides. |
Tier 4 |
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18. T. Blankenhorn, 2B/OF, 25, MLB |
Free agent after so-so 2022. |
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Traded; any doubt he’s a budding superstar?? |
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Hurt
a lot in 2022;good in Az. #20. |
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Hit well, not much power but it was Bklyn. 2023 is his year to shine in AA. I bet he will. My # 18. |
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Hit tool not good in 2022. Tier 4. |
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Hurt
most of year; free agent. |
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Some
really bad AAA games, but fanned a lot of dudes.
Only his 1st full year. I think
he’ll meet the challenge. In my top 20. |
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Another
low nit year. Grote Light? |
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45 IP in 2021-22 after no 2020. To
be a pitcher, you need to pitch. |
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Unprotected
Rule 5 despite hitting over .300 in 2022. Always ranked lower than K. Lee; s/b reversed. |
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Part of Bassitt deal. Spotty 2022 for the Oakland franchise. |
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Did
not pitch much at all – time for him to break out. Or fade away. |
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Free
agent. Walked > a man per
inning. And roughed up in AAA, |
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Lousy
DSL year but SO young; he will explode in 2023. In my top 30. |
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Lousy K-filled year (and career).
Signed by Boston. |
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Pitched
well in 2022, great in Arizona, he is now Tier 3, top 20. |
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Looks like a player, definitely Tier 4 (for now) in Brennan Top 30. 2023 is a big year to see if he can size up to mighty Wyatt Young. |
Tier 5 |
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35. Chris Scott, RHP, 22, Rookie (FCL) |
Bombed in Arizona, but I will leave him in Tier 4 for now. Was OK in A ball in 2022. |
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His below average average makes me think Tier 5. Push him into the 40s. |
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Still like him, made progress, in my top 30, but 2023 is year to really show it. |
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He is definitely in my top 30, another Dangerfield prospect. 194 career RBIs. |
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Surged for a bit in past, but fell apart with injuries. Is he done? |
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Awful 2022 start, fine finish, top 30 |
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Yawn.
Released. |
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Showed some potential but hitting issues – just .202 and 84 Ks in 390 PAs. #42 is about right. |
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Strikeout HR machine at the plate. 173 K in 111 gms for the Lucites. |
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Hit
well in St Lucie, but free agent. |
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Some say he’ll be good. I’m a wait-and-see guy. .257, no HRs in DSL. Fast kid. Turns 18 in Jan ‘23 |
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Released. |
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Fragile
and a free agent. |
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Low-pop .206 in 2022. Not top 50. |
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Pitched very well in 2022 – 4-1, 1.66 ERA with 59 Ks in 43 IP in A ball. AND NO HRs allowed in 109 career innings! Top 30, for sure. |
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Meh. 2 IP 2022. Leave
him at 50. |
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51. Omar De Los Santos, OF 22 Low A |
Omar has to be a Tier 4 now.
Fix the K problem in a big way, though, and he is Tier 2. But his Ks have me rank him in low 30s. |
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Released. |
TWO GUYS WHO ARE Not on
anyone’s Top 50 lists but mine pre-2022, which greatly puzzles me: |
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BRYCE
MONTES DE OCA |
Seriously,
guy throws as high as 102 and he is not in a top 52 list? I currently have him at # 13. 85 career IP,
120 Ks, 1 HR, 17 of 20 saves. Will be a Met in 2023. |
WYATT
YOUNG |
Hit .370 as a rookie, but not in top 52? Now, in 2 years (one short, one full), he is .290/.380/.400 in 640 PAs, mostly in AA and AAA, 90 runs scored, above average D? I have him at around # 14. Could make the Mets in 2023 if an IF gets injured. A Guillorme friggin’ clone, Sport. Oh, and Fangraphs has Young making his MLB debut in 2023, with 28 plate appearances and .242, so that supports him being ranked in the teens. His career ceiling? I won't venture a guess, but at one time, Jeff McNeil was thought to have a low ceiling. He changed that to a vaulted ceiling. |
So - asking all Tier 1 readers…
what dost thou think?
9 comments:
You will understand even more in a soon-coming article why not haveing big bad Bryce on a top 50 list heading into 2022 was shortsighted.
Is a change in culture and approach concerning team building now necessary here?
(Good question)
Long time Mets fans might concur that despite changes in ownership and general managership this team kind of follows a somewhat consistent approach during the off season to build their next season's NY Mets team.
Some fans may also agree that because of this consistency in approach, the next season's NYM team is seldom much better than the last season for it, with the single exception of the 2022 NY Mets season with their 103 wins but failure to make the WS because they were outpitched and outplayed.
So what is actually needed here to change this?
In my perhaps limited opinion, a more ballsy and creative approach and culture that takes into affect more ideas from outside the more common and collective Mets' box.
What I hope for in 2023 is neither Jake deGrom nor a high priced Justin Verlander addition being made here, but rather going in a totally new direction with a serious financial commitment to SP's Carlos Rodon and Kodai Senga for the two and three starter spots. This (to me) would signal "a change" in old school Mets philosophy that to date has won absolutely no WS going back almost 40 years (1986 to 2022).
It's time for a serious redirection consideration and not just a continuation of the past team building strategies. Two new really good starters and then also getting the next wave of top NY Mets prospects (3B Baty, 2B/LF Vientos, DH Maricio, and possibly also C Alvarez) into the games early on (like the Braves did in 2022) is to me the right way to go for a terrific second half surge when all the chips matter.
It's time to let go of adding in old starters. Starters with already too miles on their arms as the typical NY Mets off season approach to team rebuilding. 2023 is not a clone season to 2021. 2021 could never be replicated again to come out the same way in 2022, so that the results will be the same plus will have the addition of Verlander to get the team to the WS. It's more apples and oranges than that, and not so simple an equation.
It's the overall direction of a team with newer players that often matters the utmost. This franchise is due to recognize this.
The prospects for change are 50/50…I’ll take the top 50. Keep the kidlets.
I wonder how many high draft picks, like 2nd rounder Nick Morabito, have an awful career debut but become successful major leaguers? Nick was 2 for 22 with 14 Ks in rookie ball.
I was expecting 50 comments. Oh, well…
Wow,except for the top 5-6 the cupboard is pretty bare.
I’m wondering if leaving Mangum unprotected had Showalter’s fingerprints. Showalter is old like Collins and we learned both don’t like kids. Showalter trashed Vientos and probably “recommended” they leave Mangum unprotected because he doesn’t need the distraction of playing him alot in the spring?
Anon, Top 10 is strong. Recently saw someone rank Mets farm 8th best.
Gus, you do start to wonder. Mangum seemed like an ideal, cheap 5th outfielder. Buck loves the Elderly. If they are smart, they will keep and play the young foursome.
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