Andy Martino is reporting that the Mets are interested in trading with Milwaukee for lefty all-star reliever, Josh Hader.
Hader is 25...his 2018 stat line was 2.62, 0.80 WHIP, 16 K/9, and a 3.10 FIP over 61 games pitched.
He basically duplicated those amazing 2018 K and WHIP stats in 2019, while tripling his save total in 2019 (37).
He has allowed just 102 hits in 205 career innings, too.
Martino says it will take a deal that would include either Jeff McNeil, J.D. Davis, or Dominic Smith.
My question to you...
Would you trade for him and what do you give up?
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If the Mets trade McNeil for Hader then I'll go follow another team, maybe the Brewers. That would be one of the dumbest trades ever.
I would trade Dom smith and Peterson for him
McNeil had a 5.0 WAR with only 130 games. There is no real way to quantify his versatility either. His ability to play 4 position was immensely valuable to the Mets last year. Its a joke that his name would even be mentioned.
Hader might take a JD Davis - unless there are doubts about his arm, that would be an interesting one. I would hate to lose JD, love to get Hader.
If it is McNeil, no. Dallas, I agree.
And Mcneil, as someone noted, won't be a free agent until 33. Financially, and otherwise, Jeff is gold.
And, of course, while everyone says it is a business, Jeff and Pete are very close. Part of Pete doing so well may stem from having his sidekick McNeil around to share it with.
Hader's #s are simply incredible.
Scary, though, is he has been HR-prone (15 in 75 IP in 2019). Lots of similarity to Edwin Diaz in that regard
I say no to trading any of our talented young core.
Nor would I offer up a pile of our top prospects.
Dumpster dive for one more year and then 40 mil more becomes available
I would go all-in for Hader (social media gaffes and all) if all it took was Smith or Davis and another fringe prospect like Peterson or Kilome. Then salary dump Lowrie and Familia as part of the plan to give you some money to fill other needs. The lefty-righty combo of Hader and Diaz would be lethal and each should spur the other's competitive juices to see who is the closer.
Relievers are just so hard to predict....look at our own Diaz and Familia.
I mean just check out this graph of 39 relievers (twitter link) that signed multi year deals with AAV over $5MM since 2016. Basically you had a less than 50% chance of it working out.
https://twitter.com/jack_hendon99/status/1164216996512370697
I think its very dangerous to give up Dom Smith+more. I think straight up you would have to consider it but the Brewers will want more. Capitalizing on these relievers who are consistently inconsistent seems like a smart move. I mean if you could really get a Smith + Peterson and more type deal that is a big win for the Brewers. I mean the Yankees capitalized on Chapman and Mariners on Diaz getting far more back than they gave up.
Frankly I think the Mets really need guys like Peterson and Kilome for depth with the loss of Wheeler and you can't expect the Mets rotation to be as healthy as they were last year, you need contingency plans that dont involve Walter Lockett...
At a certain point, a team has to spend money even if it takes them over the limit. They cannot continue to trade the future in order to fix a team that is NOT a player away. That's what they did last year and it will go down as one of the worse trades in team history.
If the Mets want to win next year as they want us to believe, they will bring back Wheeler and then, only then consider a trade. To trade the few worthy prospects while losing Wheeler just maintains everything the same. You lose Wheeler, gain a reliever while trading valuable future prospects or ML ready players the team needs.
The way I see it, the Mets have only one way to proceed. Spend money knowing that next year the payroll will drop by at least 50M.
Hader has been a beast, but he has thrown a bunch of innings........he looked mortal in the playoffs, too.
I would be leery of an arm injury moving forward AND he is about to get really expensive as he enters his arbitration years. Plus, I don't see the Brewers dealing him unless they get some talent in return, i.e. someone like McNeil who should be untouchable.
Then, you also have to ask why would Milwaukee trade him away in the first place? They were a playoff team last year and it
isn't like they have a bunch of other closing options. Why weaken your own bullpen, unless you are worried about him continuing to stay healthy and effective.
Nope, I would look elsewhere........look at the Rays model. Lots of low cost arms, each with a different role but collectively it works.
I believe the Mets are going to trade either (or both) J.D. or Dom this off season. Dom has no place on the Mets and he has shown he can be a regular 1B on a major league team. J.D.'s defense is sub-par, but his bat makes him a valuable commodity on the trade market.
That said, I think the cost to acquire Hader would be high. If Brodie can keep the remainder of the package reasonable, (like Smith, Vientos and Tony Dibrell) I would definitely grab Hader.
Herb
I don't agree with your evaluation of Smith.
We need him to stay around in case of an Alonso injury and he also is a perfect fill-in in the outfield.
Do not trade him or J.D.
Please.
I would take on Lorenzo Cains salary (3years $51 million left) with Hader for Smith and Famiglia( his next 2 years, I believe $28 million). The Brewers would have the 5 million deferred left on contract 2023-2027.
Get rid of Familigia anyway possible.
The Braves just signed Hamels and the Phils are close to signing Wheels so are we in it to win it or just moves pieces around. Brodie you better get this right and soon because the Braves and Phils are moving fast so what are you doing?
I find it very odd reading comments here that there is no interest about acquiring Hadar such as "Relievers are just so hard to predict" I'm aware of the graph about that, but Hadar will NOT fall under that graph, it would be ridicules not to trade for him, because he basically is the best so you have to give up a haul to acquire him plus he's only 25, the Mets need to improve their bullpen so they should go for it, The Brewers will not accept Smith & Peterson or Kilome, the Mets will have to come up with a much better offer than that because Smith struggled in 2017 & 2018, he improved in 2019, but he might struggle again in 2020 like he did in 2017-2018 which can happen, Peterson's value diminished from being the 2nd best prospect in the Mets farm system to the 13th best prospect, Kilome missed all of 2019 so he would be a risk to trade for. When the Mets traded for John Franco he wasn't hard to predict.
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