So what happens to the Mets should Jacob deGrom decide to do his Mike Hampton impression and head out for the biggest starting salary (or the school system for his kids as said Hampton at the time)?
Well, it would appear that there are short term options that cost big dollars for pitchers on the latter end of their careers. We've heard some of the names before like Justin Verlander. You can't argue with what the man has accomplished during his long career with stints in Detroit and Houston that included a Rookie of the Year award and two Cy Young awards.
He's turning 40 for his upcoming season after 9 All Star appearances and a 2022 season with 18 wins and a 1.75 ERA it would suggest he's not ready to hang them up just yet. He earned $25 million this past season and is looking to earn still more, hence his opt-out for the same salary.
The big righthander is going to be costly, but likely not in the $40 million range given his age and questioning his longevity.
Lifetime Los Angeles Dodger southpaw Clayton Kershaw is available as a free agent as well. He has earned good money for his career and deserved every penny though never in that highest stratosphere of income.
Lifetime Los Angeles Dodger southpaw Clayton Kershaw is available as a free agent as well. He has earned good money for his career and deserved every penny though never in that highest stratosphere of income.
His closing salary for the LA is "just" $17 million after being in the $30 million per year range from 2015 through 2021. He finished last year with a 12-3 record and a 2.28 ERA. He'll get paid by someone, that's for sure. The problem here is similar to what deGrom is offering -- questionable health.
He's made just 22 starts each of the past two seasons and anyone wanting him to head up their staff is going to be mighty worried about how many starts he will offer.
He'll get back to higher dollars but with fragility weighing more heavily than age in Verlander's case, the amount offered may not be quite as high despite his three Cy Young awards and 9 All Star appearances. Taking him out of the Dodger rotation is a good gut punch to the perennial Western Division champs.
Many people are high on Carlos Rodon who has had his own checkered injury history but has put up eye popping numbers for each of the past two seasons. As a lefty, he is additionally appealing, but he's opting out of a $23 million deal with the Giants, so you know he's seeking $30 million plus for multiple seasons. The risk of injury is there like it is for deGrom but he's younger, left and less expensive. He's far from a sure thing going forward but having delivered two years in a row he is less uncertain than many others except when it comes to health.
Some might advocate making a play for former star hurler Zach Greinke. Turning 39 his best years are certainly behind him. During his long career he's earned a Cy Young award and made six All Star teams while also picking up some Gold Gloves.
His past season with the Kansas City Royals was just OK, having gone 4-9 with a 3.68 ERA over 26 starts. His last truly good year was 2019 split between the Diamondbacks and the Astros, going 18-5 with a 2.93 ERA.
He's probably not that pitcher anymore, but he's also not going to cost his new employer over $40 million. Last year he took a deal for $13 million from the Royals and would likely get the same or less for 2023.
A reunion with former Met Noah Syndergaard may not be the dumbest idea in the world either. While he fled in quest of the almighty dollar and did not exactly set the world on fire as he recovered from his arm injuries, everyone in New York well knows what kind of talent he possesses.
A reunion with former Met Noah Syndergaard may not be the dumbest idea in the world either. While he fled in quest of the almighty dollar and did not exactly set the world on fire as he recovered from his arm injuries, everyone in New York well knows what kind of talent he possesses.
In 2022 he delivered relatively little, going .500 combined for the Angels and the World Series losers, the Philadelphia Phillies. His mediocre record was accompanied by a 3.94 ERA which is well above his norm. These 24 starts cost $21 million and he's likely going to be earning quite a bit less for 2023.
The question for Thor is whether he wants a one-year make-good deal at a deep discount or if he's trying to secure a long term contract at a lower level than he would have gotten if he'd done well this past post-Mets season. Either way he would be worth kicking the tires and see what it would cost.
If you're a gambling man, then the best-ever (by a wide margin) 2022 season by Dodger Tyler Anderson is worth considering. He's been a 4.00 ERA type of pitcher for his entire career until this past year when he went 15-5 with a 2.57 ERA in a play for free agent riches now that the 6'2" lefty is available to the highest bidder.
If you're a gambling man, then the best-ever (by a wide margin) 2022 season by Dodger Tyler Anderson is worth considering. He's been a 4.00 ERA type of pitcher for his entire career until this past year when he went 15-5 with a 2.57 ERA in a play for free agent riches now that the 6'2" lefty is available to the highest bidder.
He earned just $8 million last year and will easily double it in 2022 (if not even higher) as folks gamble that he's found the formula for success after six previous so-so campaigns.
His best prior season was a combined 7-11 with a 4.53 ERA during 2021. Consequently, his 2022 season with the Dodgers is either the new Tyler Anderson or a wild one-year ride.
The dropoff after these stud pitchers is a sizable one. Yes, there are pitchers who perform at middle-of-the-rotation capability like Nathan Eovaldi, 42 year old Rich Hill, former Chris Bassitt teammate Sean Manaea, a reunion with Michael Wacha who failed miserably as a Brodie Van Wagenen "find" or converting former starting pitcher-turned-reliever Michael Fulmer back to a starter again. Everyone else is long shot.
The dropoff after these stud pitchers is a sizable one. Yes, there are pitchers who perform at middle-of-the-rotation capability like Nathan Eovaldi, 42 year old Rich Hill, former Chris Bassitt teammate Sean Manaea, a reunion with Michael Wacha who failed miserably as a Brodie Van Wagenen "find" or converting former starting pitcher-turned-reliever Michael Fulmer back to a starter again. Everyone else is long shot.
So the question becomes, "After inking Edwin Diaz to a record setting contract, what do you do about deGrom?" Some would say if the team beefed up the offense then spending $43 million or thereabouts for who knows how many games from deGrom is not necessarily the best option. Others who lived through the multiple losses of Tom Seaver never want to see that kind of talent leave.
The real question is what is the plan if indeed deGrom is not going to return to the Mets?
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It seems more and more likely that Steve and Billy will have to go $350 million or higher, luxury tax be damned, if he wants to compete with the Braves and Phillies in 2023 and 2024. Problem is, free agents come with long, large, risky contracts, as would a contract with Jake the Break be. Long contracts block kids.
Someone (NY Post?) posted that the Mets could chase Ohtani with Baty, Vientos, Mauricio, Allan and another prospect pitcher. There goes the system. If they do that, to keep the overall $$ down in 2023, they better sign Shohei long term.
I was ruminating over an adult beverage or two and pondered whether it would be wiser to spend on three $15 million pitchers than one $45 million one with arm problems who is coming off a poor end to his last season. For example, suppose you re-signed Taijuan Walker, signed Tyler Anderson and signed someone else of that high quality but not quite Cy Young worthy ilk...that would still lead to a lot of competitive games, many more so than if deGrom pitches in a dozen games for the entire season.
True. My brother wants Cohen to spend $400 million if necessary. It will be interesting
I know there is a better chance of a Red Wave then anyone listening to me on this subject but...
TARGET THIS TEAM FOR 2024
There is much starter help coming this way beginning in 2024.
Take Reese's adult beverage approach here and fill in 2023 with max 2 year contracts.
Always enjoy Reese’s pieces in the morning. Great rundown of this market. Agree that Mr Met Steve Cohen isn’t going to let this generation’s version of Seaver go anywhere. deGrom could get a $200M deal along the lines of 45 x 4 plus 20M buyout of 5th year option. It’s stupid money, but it’s not going to stop the Mets from doing anything else in this new dream owner situation. LFGM! I’m hoping for deGrom and Verlander! Think Kate would like the NYC area schools if Steve offered her hubby 2 x 45M plus 10M buyout of 3rd year option? Remember that from this list JV is the best option without a QO. Ohtani will hit the market in a year!
I agree with Reese that putting all that cash into who-knows-how-many starts Jake, especially for 3+ years, is not a good investment.
If the Mets could somehow improve the offense by adding Trea Turner, I'd settle for just re-signing Walker and Bassittn picking up Carrasco's option and letting Megill and Peterson fight it out for #5.
Of course, I'm not advocating standing pat if we can improve on that with any of those on Reese's list, but if we had to "settle" for the current group while adding Turnern I wouldn't cry.
Despite their ages, I think Rodon and DeGrom carry similar risks with regards to injury. Not saying they will definitely get hurt, but what are the odds that they will both stay healthy over the course of a long term contract (i.e. more then three years)? I think you need to look at their histories as a guide, but that's just me.
I like the idea of adding several arms for less money and after this year, I am questioning whether you really need multiple aces to contend (heck, we won 101 games and didn't have both of our aces together for much of that time period).
Interesting times, for sure.
Mike, I like your thinking
Just Say No. Start over with a new rotation.
deGrom - "could be the chopped beef patty arm guy soon." great if you only need a half season really good starter. if goes, outfielders won't have to worry about being stared down from the mound for an error from baseball pitching guru there.
bassitt - "big games matter too." if failures become consistent with big games a team must win, then someone has to take the blame. hanging meatball pitches are not vogue in NY.
naquin, vogelbach, ruff, hunter, trevor Williams, lugo wave bye.
would trade canha.
not totally sure on t. walker yet. up to him actually.
would keep carrasco.
1. scherzer 2. bieber or anderson 3. rodon 4. peterson 5. d. smith 6. josh walker or tylor megill
watched some video recently on syracuse' josh walker. was impressed. just needs a decent third pitch, curve/slider perhaps. towering lefty. i believe could conceivably ramp up fastball to say 94-95 mph. why not try to make him another spencer strider. worth a shot. mets need another lefty starter.
incoming: vientos, mauricio, mangum.
fyi: c christian vazquez may be available. would be perfect with alvarez as a mentor.
You have to let DeGrom walk. Spend that 40 million onNimmo, DH. Pick up Carascos option ,give Walker aQO, pay Guillorme at 2B,give Alvarez and Baty starting jobs. Sign a couple of second tier starters.
Mets are in a precarious position this offseason. Who plays CF if you cannot sign Nimmo? Who follows Scherzer in the rotation if deGrom leaves (likely).
So, the play is definitely Nimmo. There is not an available quality CF to acquire in FA or thru trade that will not exhaust our farm system. Nimmo (although bereft of a throwing arm and base-stealing ability is still one of the best leadoff hitters in the game (besides displaying an improved glove as a CF).
As far as starting pitching, If deGrom does leave, do you sign Verlander and Rodon (given that they want to come to Flushing).? Depth has to be filled in the starting rotation with #2 & #3 SP slots. Maybe as a possible 5th starter or bullpen piece, take a flyer on Danny Duffy?
And resign Trevor Williams. He was a diamond-in-the-rough last year!
Others that might be of consideration as #3 SPs: Martin Perez and Tyler Anderson?
Roy, I love Trevor Williams. He was great last year and deserved more opportunity, but Buck…. He likes his veterans…
Gus, that “veterans are the ones I go to war with” is a big Buck flaw.
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