8/18/23

Open Thread - Pitching in 2024


Much has been discussed about the Mets' demise in 2023, their sell-off, their rapid build-up of the farm system, and their need to address Pete Alonso's free agency after the 2024 season.  Little has been discussed about how to address the starting pitching gap in 2024.

Jose Quintana has proven to be an effective pitcher now that he has gotten some starts after his first half on the injured list.  Kodai Senga has gotten used to the different mound and ball in MLB and is showing his skill.  Those two seem to be keepers.  The others have not earned their keep.  SP3, SP4, and SP5 are all up for grabs in 2024 through promotion or free agency.  Knowing that Steve Cohen and Billy Eppler are wary of the risks in signing aged superstar pitchers to expensive contracts, what do you think they will do to fill the pitching staff next year?

16 comments:

Mack Ade said...

Morning Paul

My guess

SP1. SENGA

SP3 YAMAMOTO

SP3. NEW FA SIGNING

SP4. Q

SP5 VASIL

Tom Brennan said...

I think it is too early to say. Yamamoto YES PLEASE.

Vasil? May not be ready. Might need until mid-2024.

Peterson and Megill? Lost for the first 75% of the season, but could be strong the last 25%.

So put me in the I dunno category.

Quintana is a 7 game winner….if you add up 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023. As bad as Megill has been this year, he’s won 7 games in 2023.

Can Q pitch well, healthy…and WIN? He is 35 next year, too.

Mack Ade said...

Tom

IMO

the 2024 rotation will, like the bats, be in a year of transition

I agree that Vasil could be below par but these days all you are looking for is an SP5 that can produce an ERA of around 5.00

The future here is based on who is currently pitching in Binghamton and whether they will succeed

TexasGusCC said...

SP1: Ohtani
SP2: Yamamoto
SP3: Quintana
SP4: Senga
SP5: Lucchesi
SP6: Hernandez
SP7: Peterson/Megill
SP8: Carasco

TexasGusCC said...

I’ve said many times, if you’re giving $43MM to The Cy pitchers, why not give $50MM to someone that can do that and be your MVP?

D J said...

Mack and Tom,
Do you extend Quintana 1-2 years to give the AA pitchers time to mature? Has he shown us enough to warrant additional years after 2024?

Mack Ade said...

He will be 35

I wouldn't

Nor would I sign both Ohtani and Yamamoto . They will never get a decent draft position with this process

Need to extend Pete and bite the bullet until 2025

Tom Brennan said...

Texas Gus, gotta pay producers who aren’t past their prime.

Which Hernandez?

Mack, I think 2024 will be rocky. Maybe some dudes will actually succeed.

DJ, I’d not extend Quintana for 2025. We have to hope he succeeds in 2024. Just 7 wins after 2019.

The kids have to be ready to pitch in the bigs by 2025. The question, as Mack alludes to, is will they be good or a bunch of 5.00 guys.

BTW, when does Sproat sprout?

Mack Ade said...

Mets have a habit of drafting starters that don't show up

This one literally

Woodrow said...

Cohen and Eppler are wary of signing veteran pitchers?

Mack Ade said...

Could be but they also know the limited success that their system has turned out

Mid 20s starters are not in this category

How old is Yamamoto?

Paul Articulates said...

Woodrow, my comment on signing pitchers was meant to acknowledge the fact that aging pitchers' health is more questionable now with the pitch clock and the impact it has on stamina and eventually arm health. Knowing what they know now about how the dual $40M+ contracts worked out I would think Steve/Billy would assign a much higher risk level to guys of that age. That doesn't mean that they would not sign a veteran pitcher, especially someone 30-32 to a short term contract.

TexasGusCC said...

Eliser Hernandez

Anonymous said...

Snell and Yamamoto.
Sign Chapman
Trade Baty, Vientos, Parada and Mauricio for young controllable pitching.
Other than Tidwell don’t see anyone better than a #5 starter in the Mets minor leagues.
BTW the Mets even suck at tanking, we were so close to that # 6 pick

Rds900 said...

You forgot to include Alvarez.

Anonymous said...

They prioritized non-QO free agents last year, so 3 out of these 5 pitchers who won’t be eligible: Yamamoto, E Rodriguez, Giolito, Montgomery & Flaherty