10/18/22

Tom Brennan - Citifield Fences and Impact on Mets' Pitchers. Edwin Wins Big Award

Do Current Citifield Dimensions Optimize Mets' Success Potential?

I wrote last month about my advocating for shortened fences at Citifield for Mets' hitters, because the distance from plate to fence IMO is long - too long.  A subject at times seemingly only of interest to myself and my brother Steve, but I've got the quill here, so it's my choice to address it again, whether you find the subject too...ahem...deep...or not.  I just think it is a subject matter of interest, so off, once again, I go.

My suggested solution was comprised of four things:

1) 10-15 feet shorter down each line, pretty quickly merging back into existing walls as they move away from the foul poles.  The benefit being that long shots into the corner, some will be doubles, and others will sneak in as HRs.

2) Center Field - move from 408 to 401 and instead of a straight line across as it is now, have it curved.   That will add homers and doubles.

3) Get rid of the out-dip in the RF bullpen and have the fence go from CF to RF with a straight-line fence - result being more doubles and HRs.

4) Consider moving all of the other fencing by 3-5 feet.  Result being more doubles and HRs.

All of that would not make it a hitters' park.  It would make it a neutral park.  Maybe 15 more HRs, 15 more doubles, and happier Mets' hitters.

But this article focuses on pitchers, at the reasonable request of one reader. How would it affect them? 

Should fences be left where they at, dawg, or moved in?

Excluding the shortened 2020 season, from 2016 thru 2022, Mets' pitchers allowed 10 less HRs at home than on the road, and had an ERA of about 0.85 better at home than on the road, a sizable difference for sure.   And this year, it is 3.08 at home, 4.00 on the road. Sizable difference, too.

Meanwhile, Mets hitters over those 6 seasons scored 45 more runs on the road than at home and hit 11 more road homers than Citi HRs, on average.  But 2016, when the Mets scored 339 at home but just 332 on the road, it was an aberration, as was 2018, when the Mets scored 134 MORE runs on the road than at home.  

So, it appears that the pitchers allow about 70 fewer runs at home annually than on the road, and Mets score 45 fewer at home.  But even there, stats can be deceiving, as the Mets' team had a horrific 5.65 ERA on the road in 2017, accounting for much of that differential in yearly average scoring vs. runs allowed.  Their pitching at home that year was kind of awful, too, as the home ERA was 4.41.

I wonder if the Wilpons wanted a bigger park for one reason: if you (the Wilpons) were unwilling to spend like Steve Cohen to have true playoff caliber team each year, then larger dimensions would give the impression of a competitive team through closer games - lots of 2-1, 3-2 types of home games, whereas a weaker team in a smaller park may have had a lot of 7-3 and 9-5 losses, with frustrated fans barking all the louder because the team wasn't keeping games as close and thus the Mets seemed more inept, while still losing the same number of games. 

A true analysis on fence depth optimization would involve a much deeper dive than I am doing here.  Annual stats tell you only so much - for instance, if, on the road, you had a few losses where you surrendered 20 runs, those few games would have huge effects on the team's ERA, so you'd want to exclude those outliers in your analysis, etc.  If you lose 5 road games by allowing a combined 75 runs, that distorts season ERA averages significantly.

I still think that the MODEST inward fence adjustments would make for happier Mets hitters, and the pitchers (at least the good ones) would adjust.   I'd still advocate moving those fences in a bit, as outlined above, and see how it helps the team win more - but Cohen's Cohort would have to study it - and study it they should. Home field advantage should be maximized! 

Here are some of the points I made in my recent Mets-hitter-focused article on this subject:

ESPN's Park Chart - click and see for yourself:

ESPN Park Hitter Ranking

It showed that Citifield in:

2022 - ranks 28th out of 30 teams as a hitter's park. Very unfriendly.

2021 - 32nd out of 34 parks.

2020 - 17th.  60 games, based on only 40% of a normal season.

2019 - 26th.  

2018 - dead. last.

2017 - 25th.

2016 - 16th - made the playoffs, hitting well.  An aberrational year.

2015 - 27th.

Citifield, despite 2 fence move-ins, remains a very hitter-unfriendly park.

My theory for moving fences in again as being beneficial.

1) really good hitting free agents will want overwhelming $$ to come to a park that is above average in difficulty to hit in.  

2) as hitters struggle at home, when those 405 flies to dead center are caught, when the ball isn't carrying in the spring (and not great at other times of the season, either) and long drives nestle into gloves, the hitters tend to press and it adds to their not doing as well.  

3) "Other teams' hitters have to play here, too", some say?  Yes, but only for several games a year, not enough for the park to get into their heads.  Repeated drives caught on the warning track can be disheartening.

4) "And won't that affect the pitchers?"  I believe the quality Mets staff will tweak their pitches in consideration of a neutral, and not pitcher-friendly, park.  If they let the pitching go to crap, then the fence move in will hurt.  But Cohen will strive to avoid "crap" with his checkbook.  The only way I can see 2023 differently is Cohen and crew going all in on OFFENSE, scuffling in 2023 with patched together pitching, and promote top minors pitchers in 2024, to be supported by a killer offense.

Since 2015, a quick look at 4 pertinent teams (Yanks, Braves, Phils, and Mets) showed that the teams in the two bandbox parks have the biggest home field advantage:

Phillies: 83 more wins than losses

Yankees: 67 more wins than losses

Mets: 40 more wins than losses

That significant unfavorable disparity tells me the current Citifield fence depths are not optimizing home field advantage. So, it warrants a deep-dive study.

Of course, if you do get Aaron Judge, the fences should absolutely come in. A recent MLB article noted that Judge actually has hit the same number of HRs this year at home and on the road, but it also noted this:

"Let’s not pretend that the short porch doesn’t matter, because it certainly does. Yankee Stadium, this year, has seen 15 home runs that would not have been out of any other park, easily the most in baseball. (Minute Maid Park [9], Wrigley Field [5], and Dodger Stadium [5] are the only other parks with at least five.) That’s true over any time period you like; if you go back to 2016, that number is 90, a full 20 more than second-place Houston."

 - My guess here is, the "HRs in Citi but nowhere else" # is ZERO.

Also, the Mets and their opponents in Mets games hit 28% more HRs in 2022 away from Citifield. I know, a complete fluke.  Next year, there will undoubtedly be 28% MORE at Citifield, because everything evens out in the long run, right?

That's it, fellas and gals.  I'm "deeply" grateful you read this far.  I hope you appreciated this deep dive.  Excuse me, I'm off to my fencing lesson now. 

What say you?

Moving on...

EDWIN DIAZ WINS BASEBALL DIGEST MLB RELIEVER OF THE YEAR AWARD:

How could it be any other way? Best Mets relief year ever. Sugary sweet.

ARIZONA STAR?

SS Kevin Kendall missed virtually all of 2022 following a highly impressive 2021 debut with St Lucie (.327/.421/.451 in 31 games.)  (As a reminder, pre-2021, almost no signee ever started out in low A ball - he excelled there).

Following his late season, recovery, in 3 post season games for St Lucie this year, he had a single, double, triple and walk in 9 PAs.  Now, despite less than 40 pro games, he was selected to play in Arizona (and is playing frequently - and very well).

This kid could be the real deal, perhaps like Jeff McNeil was, while Jeff was on no one (but my) radar screen, which would make Kendall a 7th round steal. My advice?  Remember the name.   When you hear Kendall, stop immediately thinking Jenner, and think Kevin instead.

(Cue the music) We may someday wish we had....Sixteen Kendalls.

A Ruf start to the AFL season for Luke Ritter, who is 2 for 22.

ROCKER ROCKED:

Koo-Mar went two innings last night and gave up 3 runs on 3 hits and 2 walks.  So, in his 5 AFL innings so far, the fuy the Mets drafted, then un-drafted, has 4 hits and 7 walks allowed on his ledger.  Pretty wild, huh?

Kendall > Kumar.

P.S.S.  Grant Hartwig tossed 2 scoreless last night, as my final note du jour.

14 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

First hour, no comments, so I'll kick it off: GOOD MORNING!

Will Mets stars Gimenez and Rosario send the Yanks packing? Oh, yeah, ex-Mets, my bad.

Gary Seagren said...

Good morning Tom I'm almost always with you and I'm waiting for your call about meeting in Citi-field because I have to reserve the equipment for wall adjustment. The other thought on the Wilpons would be if they moved the fences in and had higher HR totals they would have to pay players with more HRs more $$$ and Jeffy would hate that.

Tom Brennan said...

Gary, you can bet that the Wilpons DID make that connection between weaker stats in a pitcher-friendly park and salary levels. But, frankly, it has other consequences, like affecting adversely what is likely to be Pete Alonso's long-shot bid for a Hall of Fame career. Stay in Queens your whole career, lose 50 HRs and I think he misses out. Judge won't. Nearer-term, the dimensions may well have cost Pete 5 HRs and 10 RBIs at home this year. If he had 45/140, his MVP chances would be much greater.

Remember1969 said...

Tom I thought about you when the Padres were punishing Max for four dingers in game 1. The fences didn't seem too distant for them at the time. Small sample size, but until I see a spray chart that proves the pitchers are not going to get hurt on a par to the advantage gained by hitters, I'm not buying yet.

Anonymous said...

Another big time column,kid.I see a big future. Big park might keep Judge from going to the Mets if Yanks won’t ante up.

Tom Brennan said...

Bill, it's up to Cohen's folks on payroll to analyze this issue fully, including your spray charts, but for effect? I think this is very indicative: Since 2015, a quick look showed that the teams in the two bandbox parks have the biggest home field advantage:

Phillies: 83 more wins than losses

Yankees: 67 more wins than losses

Mets: 40 more wins than losses

It is all about Wins and Losses - we win too little at home - I think this is why, not that I am overly enamored with the long ball.

Tom Brennan said...

Ray and Anonymous, thanks. Now the ball is in Steve Cohen's court. And yes, if I was Aaron Judge, and knew the fences would remain where they are in Citifield, I'd not want to come here, for the same reason I'd recommend Pete leave: the HR-resistant park will, over the course of a decade +, reduce an Alonso's HR totals by 50-75. And that will take his Hall of Fame possibilities from very good down to very iffy. I'm sure Pete would love to someday be a Hall of Famer. So would we, if we're still around.

Tom Brennan said...

Mets last announced a fence move in on November 12, 2014. It would be nice to see them announce it again on November 12, 2022.

Remember1969 said...

A couple other facts..the Mets had the third best home record in the NL this year (3 games behind LA, 1 game behind ATL). Ahead of both SD and PHI who are still alive.

The Mets ranked 15th of 30 in HRs hit at home this year..dead middle. They are ahead of both SD and CLE, both still alive.

Tom Brennan said...

Bill, I think why the Mets are home and Phils are not, is Max and Marte were hurt, and Bryce is BRYCE again. Cleveland would have finished 20 games behind the Mets in the NL East, and SD was bad because in part Hader went from Awful to Hader recently. And Soto, I believe, is perking up.

Paul Articulates said...

Tom, I am still in the other camp but I enjoy debating this issue with you - you always stick to your guns.
The Mets proved this year that you don't have to be a top 5 (or even top 10) team in HRs to win lots of games - they won over 100 without big boppers other than Pete, who doesn't need close fences.
On the other hand, the Mets' competition this year - Phils and Braves - relied on the HR to score much more. When we beat the Braves in August at Citi it was because the pitchers kept the ball off the barrels and the fences were far enough to let long fly balls to be caught. In the end of the year, the two series at ATL were won by Braves HRs. I don't want to eliminate the only advantage we had since they will have that personnel for a long time.
And by the way, the Judge speculation is irrational. We will not get him even with shorter porches. We will not get him with the money we have to spend unless we let the rest of the roster languish. We should not spend prime money on a guy that just had a career year and has a history of injury.

Tom Brennan said...

Paul, good points. I just keep coming back to the Phillies home vs away wins exceeding the Mets by 6 a year since 2015 and the Yanks 4 per year more, and simply think, above all, that Cohen should look at it from that perspective.

Judge? He is getting older. pujols looked all world until he started marching thru his 30s and downshifted a few notches.

Remember1969 said...

My point above is that you don't have to hit the most home runs to win in the playoffs. It might help to some degree, but the power hitting Dodgers and Braves are looking in on the Guardians and Padres now as well. The Guardians are playing good fundamental and inspired baseball. What a concept. Home runs are not my thing. Playing great baseball is. That seventeen inning scoreless game in Seattle was good stuff.

Mind you, I would like to see the Mets bat around two or three innings a game and score 10 runs every game, but I don't like the games with 2 three run homers and 14 strikeouts.

Build a team to fit your stadium; And for the second time today, i'll reference the 2015 Kansas City Royals as my example.

Tom Brennan said...

I hear you. That KC team, I think, was a real exception to the recent rule. Perhaps I am not remembering correctly on that, in part because once the Mets are eliminated, I find that I mostly tune out.