It's not a new subject nor is the dialog here going to change the minds of people who have already concluded what the Mets should do for a starting rotation in 2023, but here goes anyway...
While the world focuses primarily on the value of Jacob deGrom as he approaches his age 35 season having suffered through various ailments keeping him off the mound and then going through a late season blowout when it comes to pitching quality, I'm going to let the Mets front office and Steve Cohen's bank balance deal with that eventuality.
Today instead we will consider the pitchers who would appear behind deGrom (if retained) and Max Scherzer. This past season that group included Chris Bassitt, Taijuan Walker and Carlos Carrasco, along with occasional fill-in stints by Tylor Megill, David Peterson and Trevor Williams. It's important to make this evaluation because at this point Max Scherzer is the only proven starter guaranteed to be back for the upcoming season. We know about deGrom's opt out, the free agency options for Bassitt and Walker, plus the return or buyout option for Carrasco.
Chris Bassitt is on record stating that accepting a one-year deal vs. going out for a multi-year deal is a case of comparing apples to oranges. Everyone in his shoes would probably conclude the same thing. Some are wondering if the trade to bring him to New York is going to fall into that unfortunate category of "one and done" as he departs for the longest range deal available elsewhere.
Take a look at what Bassitt did for the Mets prior to the end of the year in September and you have to be fairly impressed. During his Oakland career Bassitt notched a 3.44 ERA used primarily as a starter. He'd always shown good control and an ability to notch some strikeouts, but wasn't a whiffmaster in the mold of Edwin Diaz. For the Mets he finished with a 3.42 ERA over 30 starts and produced a 3.41 strikeout to walk ratio. For that effort he cost a few prospects in trade and $8.65 million in salary.
To read the reports, he's not going to accept a one-year QO deal for $19.65 million and will be looking for something in the range of 3 years and $66 million as a base negotiation starting point. While an extra $3+ million is not exactly pocket change, when you compare this demand to what similar quality pitchers have gotten it's probably a realistic expectation. He got started a bit late in his pitching career as a rookie at age 27, so a three year deal would be taking him through ages 35, 36 and 37. If that's what it's going to take to keep him, then the Mets should probably make the effort as he has not shown any intimidation moving from the smaller Bay area spotlight to the glaring lights of New York.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but you really have to make a serious effort to re-sign Taijuan Walker. Yes, you can point out his less spectacular second halves of both of his two New York Mets seasons, but take a look at his accomplishments. For his Mets career he has a 3.98 ERA. If this was baseball circa 1970, that performance would be getting admonishments, but for today's baseball being under 4.00 is considered good back-of-the-rotation performance.
For the Mets he has earned $17 million, $10 million in 2021, then $7 million in 2022. His option for 2023 is $6 million or an opt-out. Considering his season included a 12-5 record with a 3.49 ERA, he's going to feel grossly underpaid if he accepted that number. The media has him looking for something in the range of 4 years and $56 million, an average annual value of $14 million. Given his youth and his recent good health, that amount seems reasonable and he did not fade in New York.
Now for a point of comparison, the third veteran starter, Carlos Carrasco, is slated to earn the same $14 million level assuming the Mets choose to retain him. On the back-of-the-baseball-card basis, Carrasco is coming off a pretty impressive season. He finished in a tie with Bassitt with a team leading 15 victories with only 7 losses to Bassitt's 9. His ERA was higher at 3.97.
Now when you compare the performance of Carrasco to that of Walker who will be 7 years younger, it's pretty easy to make the case that it's more prudent to secure Walker for the next 4 years than it is to keep Carrasco around for one. Now some might say with so much uncertainty in the Mets rotation that getting a one-year commitment from Carrasco is a way to minimize the long term capital, but baseball will exist beyond just the 2023 season.
As far as the substitute starters go, you would think that both Megill and Peterson will have the chance to audition for a starting role if one or more of the above wind up leaving on a jet plane. If not, then they would likely convert to relief pitchers, a role which is new to both of them and thus far with mixed results. Journeyman Trevor Williams might be better served as a starting pitcher than either of the two homegrown youngsters, but he too is a free agent for the upcoming season.
The front office will surely be looking at both trades and free agent options to fill the rotation if vacancies do indeed happen in the starting rotation. However, with the need to retain Edwin Diaz, perhaps Adam Ottavino and Brandon Nimmo on the agenda as well, there's a limit to how much the club is going to want to spend for newcomers. Billy Eppler for the most part got a passing grade for his first year in New York. Without Sandy Alderson looking over his shoulder in this offseason he's going to sink or swim on his own. That could be very good or very bad. We root for more offseason Eppler and less midyear Eppler.
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Hoping that Bassitt stays. Some other thoughts in my related 9:00 article.
Eppler had a great start, but a very Ruf second half.
I fear Bassett will have trouble with the time clock this season.
Imagine Steve Trachsel with a clock?
Reese, Tom and Mack,
It is being reported that Diaz is signing for 102 million for 5 years.Priority #1 going to be done. Let's keep it up.
The question is what is priority number two? Some feel it is Nimmo. Some feel deGrom. There's not much content getting leaked from the front office (which is a refreshing change).
I'd rather not.
We've reportedly got very good prospects on our lower MnL teams, but only Butto who may be ML-ready before mid-'24.
So it's a balancing act to make our staff efficient in the short-term. Exercising Carrasco,s option is a no-brainer. With his ups/downs, he's been well-worth the cost, and I doubt we could get anyone better on a 1-year deal.
If Jake leaves, Rodon would be my target as replacement, and I definitely want to keep Bassitt as #3. Walker on a 1 or 2-year deal would keep us effective while we see how the kids advance beyond Class A.
Yes, this means basically keeping our '22 rotation, with Megill/Peterson backing up. But our rotation was not our problem last year, even when Jake and Max were out. And I always prefer guys who have proven that they can pitch in NY over those who haven't.
I bet the Mets make a trade for a quality SP this off season
I like Rodin and Shane Bieber as targets.
I am less convinced about Bassitt.......he looked rattled in Atlanta and again against SD. I know, I know, that's a small sample and his overall numbers are solid. But at 22 million per year, I am squarely in the middle between Yes and No (but that's why Billy Eppler gets paid a whole lot more then I do).
Carrasco for one more year gives me similar pause, but more on the injury front and will he stay healthy in 2023? His option isn't a scary as the money being talked about for Bassitt, so he's more likely to stick around, I think.
I also agree about Walker......he's younger, has done reasonably well in NY and will be cheaper then Bassitt's rumored request. I like him as a mid to late rotation arm.
Man, this could be a mess next year! Kind of wish we hadn't traded all of our pitching prospects over the last couple of years.
BIEBER?? He's one of the top AL SPs, with years of control.
If the Guardians put him on the market, there'd be a huge bidding war. How many top prospects would it rake to get him?
Left Field
Contrary to public opinion, one in which I can understand, I'd go with the trio of possible from within choices for this. The three are Ronnie Mauricio, Mark Vientos, and Jake Mangum. Winner takes all. But here's the thing. All three can hit. Overall Mauricio is slightly bigger and with the most natural power. However, Vientos has power as well. Vientos and Mangum are (to me) more your protoypical BA type batters.
All three bring assets to the table that the 2023 NYM could use and take advantage of. All three are (in my opinion) sound MLB ballplayers that I would not be so willing to trade elsewhere but instead utilize here.
The trick in this scenario with these three is getting them LF playing experience. All three should be more than able to realize this transition, since all three are very solid athletically.
So What's Left After Diaz signing.
1. Two top-end starters. Bieber and Rodon if both possible to sign.
2. Edwin Diaz's brother, who is excellent by the way and also a solid closer. Having both would be so excellent here.
3. Signing current NYM free agents after Edwin Diaz is signed, namely... Brandon Nimmo CF, Adam Ottavino RP, Carlos Carrasco SP, and Taijuan Walker SP. Wasn't really impressed with Chris Bassitt in the big games and as a result would not. Would let deGrom go to Phillies with his friends there Noah and Zachary, if possible for him to do.
DH
Seriously here, go watch some Daniel Palka video on youtube. The guy is a smasher, the type a team wants in the ninth inning with one run down.
DH? We got Vientos,he ain’t chopped liver,
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