9/23/23

Reese Kaplan -- Not a Lot of Chips Available to Trade


Who is on the current roster that has some trade value going into next year?  
Yesterday we dismissed the notion of dealing away Jose Quintana and Brooks Raley.  The reasons were fairly clear.

Today let’s immediately rule out moving Pete Alonso, Brandon Nimmo, Edwin Diaz, Adam Ottavino and Francisco Lindor.  Yes, they are all quality players who could return a passel of prospects or fill open position needs, but there are not ready replacements in-house to offer up what they can and do provide to the team.

Ah, but what about the rest of the bunch?  Is everyone else on the block?  Well..


Jeff McNeil is a solid hitter and a versatile fielder who contributes on both sides of the game much like the way the Cubs formerly used Ben Zobrist all over the field to ensure he helped them win games.  During his long career he averaged .267, 16 HRs and 75 RBIs per season.  That’s solid and it earned him a closing salary level of $16.5 million per season.

Taking a look at McNeil’s numbers and you see a somewhat similar ballplayer.  His typical season would be .298 with 14 HRs and 65 RBIs.  The run production is a little down but when you consider he typically hits near the top of the order his job is more about getting on base and hitting the ball well than it is about producing runs himself as you would expect from the middle of the order batters.  A lifetime batting average of .298 is nothing to sneeze at.  

For his 2022 batting title he secured himself a new contract with a $10 million salary in 2023 and back-to-back years of $15.75 million for 2024 and 2025 with an option to pick him up at that same level for 2026 or pay him a $2 million buyout.  That average annual salary for the guaranteed three years with the buyout would be $14 million which is $2.5 million under Zobrist’s best two years.


Right now it’s well known that the Mets have a bit of a logjam when it comes to the infield.  In addition to McNeil you have to find a position for Ronny Mauricio.  His fielding is a bit unpolished but his natural athleticism more than makes up for the lapses in judgment or flubbing an occasional routine play.  He certainly looks like a player the Mets will want to have in their infield going forward.

Then it gets murkier with the defensively challenged and offensively inconsistent Brett Baty.  Despite his recent home run blast as the team closed out its series with the Marlins, the fact is many people are thinking he needs some more seasoning in AAA to determine whether or not he has the solid star potential many anointed him in their rankings as he ascended the minors. 


Even worse defensively is suddenly hot hitting Mark Vientos.  His pattern has always been a period of adjustment as he goes from one level up to the next.  With much more consistent playing time due to the July housecleaning and injuries Vientos is starting to show the club what he’s capable of doing.  He is a major step backwards with his glove but the exit velocity on balls off his bat are among the best in the league.  

The problem they see with Vientos more than defense, however, is his strikeout rate which should improve with experience, but then again it’s also fairly common for power hitters to generate a lot of breeze.  No one didn’t want Hall of Famers Reggie Jackson or Willie Stargell on their teams due to a wondrous number of whiffs.

Some say that Starling Marte should be on the block, but again it’s a matter of dealing from weakness instead of strength.  The return for him wouldn’t be equitable and until he proves he’s healthy.  He could be paid down and given away but that takes the already empty outfield that much more vacant.


In the question of dealing from strength, is DJ Stewart someone who might better serve the Mets as hot trade bait rather than gambling that his strong close to the 2023 season is the player he will be again in the future?  Given his tiny salary he would likely be in demand, though his sometimes surprisingly good defensive plays are the exception as his glove skills and running speed are not going to win any awards.  Perhaps the Mets are better keeping him around to see if he can earn a regular job in the outfield or as a DH given how little he costs, otherwise penciling him in for backup duty.

Sometimes you look to trade away younger talent who have not exactly lived up to the hype.  Pitchers David Peterson and Tylor Megill would be in this category as would nearly any relief pitcher not named Diaz, Ottavino nor Raley.  

The problem here is that everyone else can read the box scores, too, and the return you’d get for these guys is pretty minimal.  Jose Butto might bring back more as he’s unproven in the incompetence department and Joey Lucchesi being left handed would also generate some interest, but again the Mets are starting the 2024 rotation with just two named starters.

The rest of the players they could look to remove from the roster like Tim Locastro, Rafael Ortega, Daniel Vogelbach, Omar Narvaez and Luis Guillorme are not going to net you much in the way of return.  So while cutting them loose or trading them for deep B and C level prospects is possible, it wouldn’t solve immediate problems. 


Face it.  David Stearns, Billy Eppler and Steve Cohen need to have a long and hard talk about other prospects in the minors.  It may be time to see what they would fetch in return, though a wholesale housecleaning wouldn’t appeal to anyone.  There will be a lot of free agents needed otherwise. 

10 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

It will be a challenging off season.

Dan said...

Next year's lineup: Pete 1B, McNeil 2B, Lindor SS, Mauricio 3B, Nimmo CF, Marte RF, Stewart + a righty OF not currently a Met in LF. Baty in AAA. When/if the Stewart platoon falls apart or Marte gets hurt again, they call up Gilbert.

They need to fix the bullpen. Diaz returning will be a huge boost. Relievers are such a crapshoot, someone having a great 2023 could seriously regress in '24. Beginning to think that Megill might be better suited for a 7th inning role and perhaps Butto as well. I wonder of David Robertson is open to returning. The concept of signing all of these marginal guys this year wasn't a bad thought, but guys they picked all failed.

They need to go all in on Yamamoto and make a Chris Bassist-Like deal for another starter.

And finally, why did they let Taijuan Walker get away? He fit the mold of the younger starter they are profiling now.

Tom Brennan said...

Dan, check out my article at 11 AM. I disagree on Baty. I think he will be ready to be at least average next year. He can give us Vogelbach numbers and run and play the field adequately too, and cheaper than Vogie.

Vientos will be good too, as will Mauricio. All 3 will tighten up on their weaknesses this off season, and be ready to contribute well and regularly in 2024. They will all help salary-wise. Gilbert mid 2024? Yes.

Viper said...

Lets not lose sight in that 2024 is supposed to be a rebuilding year.

Go hard after Yamamoto / Shota Imanaga.

Sign a couple of relievers that didn't have a great 2023 but have very good upside. Bringing David Robertson back would be great.

See what kind of return Alonso would bring. Cohen can always bring him back when he becomes a free agent. Who is going to out bit him?

Keep the prospects and build on top of it.

Built mostly from within, that's the way to go forward.




Anonymous said...

Ok so I am one that never agrees with the idea of a player retiring a Met. If a player retires a Met he was held on too long.

So when you say a guy like nimmo is off the trade possibilities, that’s ridiculous.
Next year may not be the year to trade him but you have OF options on the way (Gilbert/ Jett) and possible signing of different profile players. McNeil played a game in CF. I don’t know his metrics but could he play avg out there?
I am sure someone would value nimmo enough to trade value back for him.
We can’t pay every one and if it’s Alonso or nimmo I’ll let you decide but my original thought is the same on Alonzo.

We need to never offer no trade options and alway be ready to trade too soon than too late.
Dwright is the example
He would have been a met no matter what but reading him 2 years after we signed him would have reaped greater than the sentiments of him retired a met.

Winning in 86 was greater than the need to have hojo Lenny Aguilera darling etc retire a met
So alway be looking to maximize asset and root the Jersey not the player
Eddie

Lou said...

Trade McNeil to Marlins for one of their starters?

Gary Seagren said...

No way SC is rebuilding and with the team we have going into 24' a few good adds gets us in the playoffs just look at the mediocrity thats fighting for playoff spots this year. We should also have a serious upgrade in power overall and avg. in the bottom of the order next year that we haven't had in forever. The Stern add and Uncle Stevie's money will be huge to add to the baby Mets progression and the solid additions in the farm. I would be surprised if we don't see Gilbert and Williams by the All-Star break.

Tom Brennan said...

2024 can be a soft rebuild. With Edwin back, let’s win a Wild Card spot. You gotta be in it to win it.

Rds900 said...

Rebuild is not the right term to describe the projected Mets team. I rather think in terms of a few minor and major tweaks. Mark my words. We will have a good team next year.

Amazin Z said...

Isn’t trading the 2022 Batting Champ selling low coming off his 2023 year? I’m keeping McNeil. We’re kind of stuck with our lineup for 2024. With many players having down years and many 1st year players in the lineup most should have better years in 2024. If you look at the hitters only one player is having a career year, Nimmo.

Hope Sterns just invests heavy in pitching. Outbid everyone for Yamamato and sign a non QO eligible SP like Montgomery. None of Tidwell, Scott, Stuart, Vasil, Hamel are ready next year and I only want 1 of Butto, Lucchesi, Peterson, Megill in the #5 slot. With Yamamato and Senga you have a solid #1 and #2 for 4 years. Bring back Robertson and this is a damn good team for 2024. Not better then the Braves but playoff worthy. Address the hitting in 2025.