9/6/23

Reese Kaplan -- The Starting Pitching Market Just Shot Up in Price


Folks can kick around the question of the NY Mets starting pitching for the upcoming 2024 season in an almost unfathomable number of ways.  You obviously can pencil in Kodai Senga and Jose Quintana as two of the starting five.  After that, unfortunately, it gets pretty murky in a hurry.  Assuming Carlos Carrasco is wished well for what he's done and not done as a Met, they have three vacancies to fill.

Some people point to the few positive starts made by no-longer-youngsters Tylor Megill and David Peterson as viable options for the rotation.  Yes, they do each occasionally put up nice numbers but those games are few and far between.  This year both of them with extended opportunities are registering ERAs above 5.00 and both are closer to 30 than they are to 20.  At some point you need to indicate when someone simply isn't performing at the level you'd projected and move on to new options.  

Obviously the Mets will be in on the bidding for Japanese youngster Yoshinobu Yamamoto.  At the age when most Mets pitchers are getting their first taste of the major leagues he's already established a solid track record of remarkable pitching, better in fact that what the club has seen from Senga.  He will be an expensive addition but likely not nearly as much as major league free agents whose career has been spent primarily in America.  

What may likely increase Yamamoto's price is the over-the-weekend 2nd domestic violence charges leveled at top major league starter Julio Urias of the Los Angeles Dodgers.  After a 2019 investigation of domestic abuse that was dismissed, Urias has turned himself into a rather remarkable pitcher.  It included a 2022 performance during which he went 17-7 with a league leading 2.16 ERA for the entire season.  His career ERA is a sparkling 3.11.  While his numbers this year are a bit down from that metric, the fact is that with a single domestic violence charge that led not to jail time but to counseling in his somewhat distant past, the impact on his free agent bidding would likely have been rather minimal.  

Now, however, Urias is facing a much more significant problem.  He was arrested for a felony level domestic violence situation and he is currently off the active roster for the Dodgers likely for the remainder of the season.  Neither the Dodgers, major league baseball nor the police have released any additional details about the case, but it had a creepy Trevor Bauer vibe to it that suggests his upcoming free agency may give his current employer a graceful way out of associating with him regardless of the outcome of the investigation and criminal decision making. 

Getting back to Yamamoto, Julio Urias is either completely off the table or at least significantly less desirable to clubs hoping not only to bolster their starting rotation but also to reaffirm their commitment to hiring responsible adults.  The Dodgers are most likely gunshy after their previous investment in Bauer.  Then toss in the UCL problem facing Shohei Ohtani and all of the sudden this guy from Japan is likely pushed to nearer the top of the list.

The Mets' interest in Yamamoto is certainly real.  Billy Eppler was among a contingent that recently traveled to Japan to have a look at this young superstar pitcher.  Eppler was instrumental in bringing Ohtani to his former employer, the Angels.  He successfully recruited Senga to come to the Mets where he's pitched far better than his $15 million per season price tag would suggest.  Even before the Ohtani and Urias situations arose it was expected that at 5 years younger than Senga acquiring Yamamoto would be more expensive.  Now that number likely surges a bit higher (not that money is a problem the Mets have under the Cohen ownership).  

Assuming for a moment that the club does indeed land Yamamoto, who else is in the rotation?  We've already dismissed Peterson and Megill.  Jose Butto is back but thus far hasn't shown much and is more of a soft tosser type of pitcher than an overpowering one.  Joey Lucchesi is hanging around the fringes and could possibly be a 5th starter option, but there are other free agents to consider.


The top half dozen pending free agents are pretty well known, though some have health issues to consider.  If all things were normal this coming off season Clayton Kershaw would be at the top of that list.  However, with the impending departure of Julio Urias and Kershaw's many weeks in various seasons on the IL, his price point would decline.  The Dodgers may not be inclined to let him go as they are already going to have to fill Urias' innings.  

Next up in terms of quality might be a toss up between Blake Snell and Aaron Nola.  Both are commendable pitchers who will be seeking long term comfort in a contract north of $25 million per season.  While that's not pocket change, it's $18 million less than either Max Scherzer or Justin Verlander got.  

Next up would be Corey Kluber and Lucas Giolito.  Both are decent options to consider but not guarantees to be in the sub-4.00 ERA performance level.  Still, if healthy, either would be a step up from the in-house Mets options (though Kluber's last really good year was 2018 and he'll turn 38 during 2024).  Giolito has never really strung together a high-win/low-ERA season and turning 29 next year he may be in the post-prospect problem spectrum like Peterson and Megill.


Finally, there's a former Met who did not ingratiate himself with his starts, Michael Wacha.  He's a bit of a conundrum, seeming to waiver between good years and mediocre ones.  For his career he's under 4.00 with the ERA and he's actually coming off decent numbers with Boston in 2022 and spectacular ones with the Padres this year.  It would take a lot of deep swallowing to offer up big money given his COVID year pitching that resembled 2023 Carlos Carrasco, but he's currently earning just $7.5 million.  The Padres can choose to keep him and pony up $16 million per year for the next couple of seasons and given his 11-2 record with a 2.85 ERA they may very well do so.  

After that it would be trades but unless the club is shocking us by dispensing with starting players or reneging on the promise not to peddle off the top youngsters, there's not a lot to give other than paying down the contract to entice someone to take Omar Narvaez.   

10 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

Well, we did just trade away two Cy Young pitchers. I guess we can replace them with Trevor Bauer and Urias and change the team name to the Abusers.

Tom Brennan said...

Interesting snippet from Anthony DiComo on Mike Vasil, as to why he struggled upon arrival in AAA:

Since his promotion to the highest rung of the Minors in mid-June, Vasil has been working toward that end. It hasn’t been seamless. Following a strong showing over 10 starts at Double-A Binghamton, including a 7.1 strikeout-to-walk ratio, Vasil initially struggled to adjust to the different baseball, the Automated Ball-Strike system, and the more advanced hitters he found at Triple-A. Over his first eight starts there, he produced a 7.04 ERA.

At that point, as Syracuse pitching coach Kyle Driscoll put it, Vasil “went right to the drawing board again.” With Driscoll’s help, the right-hander worked to “optimize” his fastball to account for the smaller seams on the Triple-A ball, making some tweaks to improve the ride -- otherwise known as induced vertical break, or the illusion of upward movement -- on that pitch.

Mack Ade said...

Morning Reese

I see 2024 as a tradition year for the Mets rotation

Senga and Quintana are a quick add

No one else is

All the so-called prospects in Syracuse or Binghamton are ending the season with meh results or already on the shelf

Yamamoto is a must sign.

I believe another top free agent should be signed for 3-4 years

Possible trade for top prospect for Parada

Past that

Not much

Anonymous said...

JT Schwartz might have figured it out. Look for him at Syracuse next year and who knows maybe a late season call up.

Apesquat said...

Related to the Vasil story, I find it mind boggling that AA and AAA use different baseballs. That makes absolutely zero sense when it comes ro developing players. Can anyone explain why this is done?

Paul Articulates said...

I am also astounded to learn that there are different baseballs. I understand some of the rules experiments, but a different ball? Did you see how long it took Senga to adjust this year to a different ball and now it's going to happen to all minor leaguers on the move? Bad decision MLB.

bill metsiac said...

Until shown otherwise, I expect 2 of Vasil, Hamel, Tidwell, Stuart and Scott to have ML futures, and I'm not fully ready to give up on Megill and Peterson.

We are the favorite to land Yamamoto, and if we do I'd look to sign decent, but not superstar pitchers to fill the #s4 & 5 slots on short-term deals. I'd write off and who would require 4+ years, especially if they're over 30.

Some, like Q, may turn out to be starsn while others, like Carrasco, may crumble, but as 4/5 SPs they can be easily replaced.

Big Lou said...

Hmm a #4,#5 starter strategy,sounds like the Triple A with options strategy.

Rds900 said...

How about Sonny Gray as a # 4.

Anonymous said...

Yamamoto is a must. I was pushing for Urias (i didnt even realize he had a 2019 suspension for domestic abuse). Now he’s a nonstarter). There are some other good options. Jordan Montgomery would be really good. I could see Sonny gray as an option. That would give the mets a good to great front 4. Leave the 5th slot open to see if anyone can stick from inside the organization. I really like Yamamoto / Montgomery because they can be longterm building blocks. Montgomery is not young but i wouldn’t mind giving him a 5 year deal if that’s what it takes to land him. He’d finish that deal at 35.

Also, there are some stud free agent starting pitcher for next years FA class. Wouldnt mind seeing our next POBO use his connection with the brewers to get us Corbin Burns! Then extend him.

- Dan B