2/11/24

Tom Brennan - Starting Rotation…Wishful Thinking??

Born Under a Bad Sign? 

Folks Who Engage in Wishful Thinking Say No, and See Nothing But Blue Skies.

In 2024, the adage "It takes a village" may apply to Mets starters.

The Met signed Sean Manaea and Luis Severino this offseason, the former for 2 years totaling $28 million and the latter for one year $13 million.

In Manaea's case, he developed a lethal sweeper during 2023 and had a low 3's ERA in the season's strong second half.  One can be hopeful, but keep in mind he only tossed 118 innings in 2023.

Luis Severino is another story.

He has missed a ton of time due to a series of maladies, As the Athletic effectively summarized it, Luis Severino pitched in just 26 games over the length of the 4 year Yankee deal, dealing with a laundry list of injuries: rotator cuff inflammation, lat strain, Tommy John surgery, right groin strain and then another lat strain.

His ERA was terrible in 2023.  If healthy in 2024, he could well be a very good pitcher (think Cookie Carrasco 2022).  If not, think Cookie Carrasco 2023. Any reasonable fan could expect him to miss a lot of 2024 starts.   Why?  His extensive injury history. Even at age 29.

Jose Quintana?  Now 35, he had just 76 innings in 2023, pitching well while healthy.  Over the past few seasons, he also missed a lot of time.

Kodai Senga? A great year.  Just do that again.

Adrian Houser?  31 years old, he ought to be a durable # 5.

I think it is reasonable to assume those 5 will start 120 games. But starter durability is very hard to predict. I’d say the actual range is 100-140 games from those 5. If it is 100, we will have engaged in a large amount of wishful thinking.

Tylor Megill, Joey Lucchesi  David Peterson could absorb 20-50 starts, and Butto and a combination of Vasil, Hamel, Scott and Stuart ought to have the Mets covered for any otherwise open 162 starts in 2024.

Timing of missed starts is critical….meaning, you don’t want the starting five to be significantly injured at the start of the season, nor down and out the last few weeks of the season and the playoffs if they make them.

Last year, there was euphoria with a heaping helping of wishful thinking.

Yes on paper , it looked great. But the rotation was extremely old.

We all know what happened to the wishful thinking. 

Verlander missed the first 5 weeks, Scherzer missed a few early starts, Quintana missed the first 60% of 2023, and Carrasco missed several starts in April and May. So many early starter injuries, and missed starts, coupled with the loss of the superlative Edwin Diaz for all of 2023, was like getting hit with 2 vicious early blows from mid-career champ Mike Tyson. The Mets continued to fight on but those bows took their toll and their level of fight was badly impacted.

If all goes well, it could be a strong start in 2024 for the starters. 

That usually is wishful thinking. It rarely “all goes well.” Just ask Jake deGrom.

When fine china is dropped, a broom and pan are needed.

The Mets dropped a lot of china in 2023.

BABE RUTH:

Speaking of starters, Babe Ruth went a remarkable 47-25 in 650 innings in a 2 year span in 1916-17, with an ERA of 1.87.

He pitched a few games in 1920 and 1921 (3-0), as he transitioned into a truly feared, game-altering slugger. Many years later, in 1930 and 1933, he pitched one game each, at his request, at the end of those seasons. 

Both were complete game wins.  He hit 3 for 8, with a homer and a walk, in the two games, too.

Really, stunning, huh?

21 comments:

Ernest Dove said...

I remain hopeful the rotation of mid rotation arms will hold up and be successful with possible Mike Vasil debut to help. Maybe Christian Scott gets a taste too.

Mack Ade said...

There will be 8-10 Mets that hit the mound this season in the first inning. Hopefully, they will all be starters.

I hope the Dove-mon is right. The Mets need to start seeing a return from 2025-6's version of Generation what letter?

Tom Brennan said...

It is hilarious that Babe Ruth after a decade of not pitching throws a complete game, but these guys fall apart with such regularity. Maybe we’ll get some starter durability, for at least the fist half of the season. We’ve always got Joey…he could give us 250 innings easily.

Tom Brennan said...

Ernest, we can hopefully see those guys in the 2nd half, and not before, so they can further refine, and be ready to face the big boppers.

Tom Brennan said...

Upcoming pitchers need to realize the following:


A collective 5,862 home runs were hit in the 2023 regular season. That is probably about 1 HR every 7 innings. So, don’t get rattled if you surrender a tater. These guys hit them off everybody. Shrug it off and get back to work. Pressing is only valuable if you run a dry cleaner.

Lou said...

I’m thinking Megee is a starter and by the end of the season is the #econd best one! Him and Senga both have big years.

Mack Ade said...

Megill

Gary Seagren said...

Tom I would prefer "I'm So Glad" to "Born Under a Bad Sign" myself but of course we'll see. It's very important that our pitching staff doesn't get "Creamed" though. Look we could have a staff that pitches us to a Wild Card or a massive sell off at the deadline so at the very least it will a very interesting season stay tuned.

Gary Seagren said...

Mack didn't you and I meet at one of those Ruth starts in 1917?

Mack Ade said...

No

It was a Christy Mathewson game

Mack Ade said...

Born

Love the 2 lines from a Toby Keith chorus

"Can't tell how old you are

If you don't know the day you were born"

Remember1969 said...

Attending a Matthewson game? You guys are funny men, but must be a bit older than I - the earliest game I can remember was a Dizzy Dean game where Pepper Martin hit an inside the park home run (or at least I think I remember that - it might have been a triple and an error). That Gashouse Gang was a fun bunch to watch!

On the more serious note of 2024 pitching, if the Mets only employ 8 to 10 (even 10) starters, it will be quite a successful season.

I will sign up for their starting five as stated (Senga, Quintana, Severino, Manaea, and Houser) start 120 games, something is going right - at 6 innings per start, that is 144 innings a piece. This isn't 1969 anymore, and as Tom stated, most of those guys haven't thrown 144 innings in a season for a while, if ever.

That all being said, I am optimistic that the starting rotation will hold its own in 2024. The key stat will be the percentage of games that the starters throw five or more innings.

Mark said...

Let out a deep breath, Austin Adams remains a Met

TexasGusCC said...

Generation K2

TexasGusCC said...

Difference between starting pitchers of even ten-fifteen years ago and starters today is that now every pitch needs to be a max pitch. Pitchers aren’t told to pace themselves but rather to throw every pitch like it’s the last one they’ll ever throw. That’s why innings are down, TJ’a are up and relievers are cycled through like napkins at a pizzeria.

bill metsiac said...

I know I'm repeating myself, but I'm really looking forward to seeing Megill's new pitch, which has been drawing great reviews from those who already have seen it and are far more qualified than I am.

Mack Ade said...

"napkins at a pizzeria..."

Great analogy

Gary Seagren said...

I would love to see some results from the pitching lab which will be a discussion on this site from now till there's no more site ugh. We all have to hang in there till we at least win a playoff series.

Mack Ade said...

Go to the main page

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Look for friends of.site section

Click on Ernest 's interview with Dom Hamel

Tom Brennan said...

Gary, I hope we’re not going to be saying, “I’m standing at the crossroads, believe I’m sinking down.”

I still think Megill’s splitter will upgrade him in 2024.

So Gus, Greg Maddox would not be allowed to be Greg Maddox in today’s game? That would be criminal.

Woodrow said...

Maybe starting pitchers are the most overrated players in today’s game. What are 5inning starts worth.