10/31/17

Tom Brennan - EARLY '60'S METS STARTER FLASHBACK



Tom Brennan: EARLY '60'S METS STARTER FLASHBACK


Halloween is an appropriate time to reminisce about early 1960s Mets starting pitching.


Not that the pitchers were bad, by and large. 

The teams they pitched for were NIGHTMARES, though.

LET'S REMINISCE ABOUT 6 OF THEM:

ROGER CRAIG:

Here is a guy who was 59-52 in his career as a non-Met.  Here is a guy who, in pre-Mets 1958-1960 was 21-9 with an ERA under 3.00.  

Here was a guy who had a decent 4.14 ERA as a Met.  

Yet he was an awful 15-46 spanning 1962-1964 as a Met, with 64 starts and 22 relief appearances.  Why 15-46?  

The Mets truly stunk then.  Would the 1963 version of Roger Craig, when he went 5-22, have been in the Mets 2017 rotation?  Sure - after all, his ERA that year was a fine 3.78. 

AL JACKSON

Jackson was another victim of the early Mets.  The lefty, in painful 1962, was 8-20 despite a not-terrible 4.40 ERA.  The next season, a much better 13-17, with a 3.96 ERA.  Overall as a Met, he was 43-80 (.350 win %) spanning 138 starts and 46 relief outings, and his Mets' ERA was 4.26.

The rest of his career?  24-19, ERA in the low 3's.  Clearly demonstrating that pitching for the early Mets was hazardous to one's health.

Could Al Jackson of Mets lore have been a starter for the 2017 Mets instead of, say, Raffy Montero, who sported a 2017 ERA of 5.52 and a Mets career ERA of 5.38?  You're smart - what do you think?  Don't wait for me to give you all the answers.

JAY HOOK

Jay Hook was lousy.  Period.

As a Met in 1962 and 193 (and a few 1964 innings before his career ended), he was 12-34, 5.22.

With his other prior team, Cincy, he was 17-28, 5.23.

So, the same ERA got him a .378 win % with Cincy, just .262 with the lowly Metsies.

Jay "up, up, and away" Hook allowed 111 home runs in just 753 career innings.  He made hitters happy.  He made managers queasy, and they gave him the hook often.  Jay did, though, manage to complete 15 of his 56 Mets starts.

Could Jay Hook have pitched in the 2017 Mets rotation?  Only if you think Tommy Milone and Adam Will were welcome additions to the Mets' 2017 starting rotation.

JACK FISHER

Jack avoided the Mets until 1964, but he pitched 4 years for them.  Four LONG years.  He went 38-73 for them, including an 8-24 nightmare one season in which his ERA was a pretty darned decent 3.94!

In the rest of his non-Mets career he was a much better 48-66.  His career ERA in total was 4.06 spanning 1,976 innings.  Pretty darned decent.

Could the 8-24 Fisher have pitched in the 2017 Mets starting rotation?  The answer is an obvious YES.

BOB MILLER

Big bad Bob was a really bad 1-12 for the Mets in 1962, and 3-14 overall.  His ERA?  A relatively good 4.41.

The rest of his career?  He toiled for 9 other teams - and was  66-67, with an ERA of 3.20!!!  Shows what an awful team can do to a good pitcher.  Could he have started for the 2017 Mets?  No doubt.

CRAIG ANDERSON

Sometimes, a pitcher can get PTSD.  Anderson's major league career started in 1961 with the Cardinals in 1961, when he was 4-3, 3.26 in 39 innings of fine short relief.  After that, shell shock:

In 1962 with the Mets, he was  3-17, 5.35.  OUCH!  After that, he was 0-3 as a Met, making his Mets career 3-20, 5.56.  If he jumped on a time machine from 1962 to 2017, and asked if he could start for the Mets, what would I have told him?  Warp somewhere else, please!


So, in my book, 4 of those 6 (Craig, Fisher, Jackson, and Miller) would have been welcomed to this Mets team with open arms.  With the 2017 so-so Mets defensively still being far better afield than the 1960's fumblers, and with the 2017 squad being far superior offensively, these 4 guys, who combined for a 99-213 win loss record for the early Mets, would have been winners for the 2017 version.




9 comments:

Reese Kaplan said...

The late Anthony Young was of the same ilk. When he went 1-16 he had but a 3.77 ERA which would have put him behind deGrom for the #2 starter position. Jerry Koosman had an 8-20 record for the 1977 season with but a 3.49 ERA. As he said at the time about losing 20 games, you have to be pretty good for them to keep sending you out there.

mickey said...

I remember the day that Jack Fisher beat Juan Marichal, who was undefeated against the Mets at that point.
Fisher spent the rest of the game in dugout watching the game

mickey said...

I remember the day that Jack Fisher beat Juan Marichal, who was undefeated against the Mets at that point.
Fisher spent the rest of the game in dugout watching the game

Tom Brennan said...

Nothing like a good flashback to the 1960's! Break out the bell bottoms.

I will say this after the series in 1969: I never expected they'd win just 1 WS in the next 48 years. Felt the same way about the Jets too. Feelings, nothing more than feelings...

Hobie said...

On the Mets anyway, Roger Craig seemed to pitch well when behind. He could hold a 3-2 deficit eternally it seemed. A 3-2 lead was gone faster than a 2017 intentional walk.

But in maybe the best pitched day of NYM history, GROVER POWELL threw a 1-0, 4H CG in the opener of a DH in Philly (1963) and Craig actually held onto a 1-0 lead from the top of the 1st to 2-out in the bottom of the 9th in the nightcap, when he gave up HR to Roy Sievers. (Bearnarth got the loss in the 12th).

Tom Brennan said...

Hobie, Craig could have used Jeurys Familia, dontcha think? Get him out after 7 for Reed and Familia. Different story.

Tom Brennan said...

Reese, there is nothing like being a Mets pitcher in about 60 % of their existence. Unless you were Seaver, 8-20 was a real possibility.

Mack Ade said...

Will there ever be another baseball player named Grover?

Tom Brennan said...

If there is ever anther Grover, he'll probably be from Cleveland and certainly need Tommy John surgery