2/10/18

Reese Kaplan -- On Pitching, Collins Vs. Callaway


Kevin Kernan of the NY Post ran back-to-back pieces about the state of Mets pitching and the approach taken towards success in that realm.   The first was a one-on-one with Terry Collins who sounded a bit defensive towards the criticism often levied at him for mishandling pitchers.  The second was a one-on-one with Mickey Callaway and his plans for working with the starters and relievers.


Collins was pretty candid about his tenure with the Mets.  He admitted feeling regret for how he handled Matt Harvey in the 2015 World Series, but became incensed when addressing the huge number of health problems facing his pitchers.  He called it a fallacy that he was to blame for any of it and said if his coaches said that someone needed a day off then he would have given them the day off. 

While it’s good to hear someone having confidence to stand or fall on their own decisions, it seems to me as if he’s throwing his coaches under the bus to declare it was on them to let him know when pitchers were not at full capacity.  I’m sorry, but if you’re the manager and you’ve hired the coaches, then the buck stops with you. 

To hear Collins tell it, the Mets just got an incredible spate of bad luck.  He then said that no one is to blame, which is kind of walking back the veiled criticism of the coaches.  Apparently the Mets felt someone was to blame since the coaches (save for Glenn Sherlock) were all canned, as was the medical staff.  So was Terry on point or out of touch?

He also felt that the biggest challenge to Mickey Callaway was going to be how to get guys to give him the full workload as starting pitchers after having been severely limited in the number of innings the previous year. 

On the subject of managing again, Collins said, “I would, but I don’t think with the new era of stuff that would happen. I will do whatever I can to make sure Mickey has better players and the organization is better.  I will miss it. I’m a competitive guy.’’


Mickey Callaway has been in charge of pitching before but not the entire picture.  Pitching was supposed to be the strength of this organization, so it made sense to hire a pitching-first manager to try to get the arms back to where they are supposed to be.  Towards that end Callaway is working with new pitching coach Dave Eiland on pitchers’ pre-workout conditioning to get them to change their mindset before they arrive at the ballpark. 

Callaway expressed confidence in the quality of the guys who will take the mound to begin each game.  He quipped, “If you look at our starting pitchers there are 25 teams out there that would love to have who we have. So we can make adjustments along the way.”

He continued, “When I look at this staff and think about them, I see the same thing that they had in Cleveland. The one difference has been the health — if we get them healthy and get them in good routines to keep them that way.  Everyone I’ve been around pretty much walks outside, stretches, plays catch, they do their bullpen. Our pitchers in Cleveland had about an hour-and-a-half routine before they even went out and played catch. They were with massage therapists, then they were with trainers, getting all these hands-on things done, then they went to the weight room to see the strength coach for extra stretching, then they went on the bike, then they went outside and stretched. It’s pre-hab. If we can implement those types of things, we have a better chance to stay healthy. It does work. When you present it to these guys, they are going to want to do it.”

Callaway also stressed the importance of building personal relationships with the pitchers in order to find out what he can do to help them succeed.  Given the whispers about Collins’ poor communications skills with his players, this approach could indeed have some merit.  He said that one of Eiland’s big philosophies is accountability which dovetails nicely with giving the pitchers what they say they need to succeed.  The pitchers then need to step up and deliver. 

Of course, the proof is in the pudding, and until the first cry of “Play ball!” happens in April, these pretty words could just be the stuff of nice soundbites.  However, it is refreshing to hear about what appears to be a new approach since the old one certainly had not been working.  Cleveland’s ERA last year was 3.30 and the Mets’ ERA stood at a ghastly 27th-best 5.14.  ‘Nuff said.

20 comments:

bgreg98180 said...

This is the key, make-or-break issue that will determine the Mets success for the near future.

If the pitching staff can fulfill its potential this year, the next year or two becomes so much brighter.

If the pitching problems in health continue this year the Mets organization will continue to flounder for at least the next couple years.

Mack Ade said...

It is hard to defend the way the Mets pitching staff has been handled under Collins.

We have to assume it will begin to be better this year.

That being said, we still need at least 7 pitchers to excel.

Three starters... deGrom, Syndergaard, and, my guess, Matz.

Four relivers... Familia, Blevens, Ramos, Swazak

TexasGusCC said...

I can’t get the memories of how Familia was used out of my system. First is the game that he pitched four straight games, culminating in a three run homerun to Justin Upton and blowing the game. The second was coming back from injury last year and pitching as a closer for 1.1 innings right from his second appearance. The more Collins cries, the more we realize that he doesn’t care about people but rather how he can use them to increase his standing. It’s shameful that he never took time to nurture a young player even when the Mets had no present, and he never could understand that pitching seven guys a night gases the bullpen. He was managing the seventh game of the World Series every night, and everyday was a new sprint, not the marathon season everyone else seems to see.

TexasGusCC said...

Hey Collins, remember him? He’s going to be a beast this year!

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mets/status/962328818966024192/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmetsmerizedonline.com%2F2018%2F02%2Fmets-spring-training-tv-schedule.html%2F

bgreg98180 said...
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bgreg98180 said...

For the sake of the Mets I really hope that Callaway is the magic solution to unlock the pitching staff's potential.

This is make-or-break time concerning moving away from all of the injuries.

So much of Harvey's young career has been wasted and future potential tarnished due to the curse of health issues that hang over the Mets.

He is just the first young stud that is graduating out of the young, cost controlled, studs that the organization's game plan revolved around.

Each year will see more and more become more and more expensive.

An about face, miracle turn around could at least give the Mets a chance to take a Harvey and trade him off to better secure the next 3 years.

Tom Brennan said...

Collins' laissez faire approach to pitchers was in my mind a real factor in the teams injuries...hoping Dr Galloway keeps his pitchers much more out of sick bay. Read Matz feels and is throwing GREAT, so that helps.

bill metsiac said...

Somehow, my inner voice tells me there's a void in my life when Reese goes more than a day without ripping Terry.

Mets mgrs in the 55 years of their existence who have led them to the post-season in consecutive seasons:Bobby V, Terry, and.....??

bill metsiac said...

Davey had the most talented players in franchise history and couldn't do it.

bgreg98180 said...

Not fair comparison due to the wild card

Reese Kaplan said...

If you read carefcare it was Kernan who ripped Collins. I did state facts about stats.

bgreg98180 said...

Facts ..... otherwise known as fake news??

Mike Freire said...

Well, it can't get much worse, right?

The handling of the pitching staff was my biggest gripe with TC and it led to his downfall.

MC seems to be the opposite and if he can get 30+ starts out of our "big five", then I think
the Mets bounce back in a big way.

Mack Ade said...

Lost Davish

Anonymous said...

My fear: when Tom Coughlin took over he said injuries would go down, then injuries rose under coughlin. Some things, yknow? Global warming is being countered by a lull in the solar cycle coming soon. Who knows with complex stuff? Probalism vs. Determinism, gee whiz.

bill metsiac said...

I saw some comments by Keith Law about the Mets farm system, in which he says it's better than its rating, but held back by healhe issues at the lower levels to players like Lindsay, Szapucki, Dunn and Kay.

He says if they are healthy, the system will be productive. Sounds a lot like the ML team, except for one thing--- it's hard to find a way to pin the blame on Terry. 😠

Anonymous said...

I believe greater numbers of pitchers making greater money leads to greater "population desire," which leads to greater, speeds, risks, training intensity, and nutrional "supplements," which leads to greater injuries, which leads to greater replacements groomed to repeat the cycle endlessly. Can it be mitigated? I would guess not too much. It is an evolution. Of course, things such as pitching Jack leathersich 60 innings in one outing, notwithstanding.

bill metsiac said...

60 INNINGS!!! That's GOTTA be an all-time record. 😨

Seriously, there have been many times in ML history when blowouts happen and a staff is tired, so a pitcher is told to "take one for the team".

I don't remember the Leathersich incident, but I suspect it was one of those.

Anonymous said...

I remember wally Backman sending him out for sixty pitches before rocket got hurt. IDK, maybe I imagined it. Is wally out of the game, now?

bill metsiac said...

Wally managed in the Mexican Winter League and was fired there. He then signed with an Indy League team for the 2018 season.

Meanwhile, how can we find a way to blame Terry for that 60-pitch outing?