12/16/20

Reese Kaplan -- What About the Rest of the Roster?


Right now the media is awash in renewed optimism with the Mets having secured both a starting catcher and a first-time GM.  Don’t confuse Jared Porter with Brodie Van Wagenen.  His background is pure baseball management from starting out as an intern, to running scouting operations to serving as an assistant GM.  At age 41 he’s likely going to be learning a bit with the full reigns but he has Sandy Alderson behind him to help reinforce any gaps.

What truly puzzles me is the euphoria of the fans and the writers who now think all is done and it’s going to be the day after the three ghosts visit Ebenezer Scrooge where spending is no object whatsoever.  They are fantasizing about adding the likes of George Springer, Trevor Bauer, Liam Hendriks, Brad Hand, Yasiel Puig and pretty much anyone who was or very close to being a major league award winner elsewhere in his career.  Yes, that Yankee and Dodger model worked temporarily for those franchises, but I’m much more an admirer of what less well heeled organizations like the Royals and Rays due, finding minor league talent who can help them for a long time, signing major league talent to good but not outrageous contracts, and finding themselves in the postseason hunt without a Mookie Betts, a Michael Trout, a Bryce Harper or a Nolan Arenado.  (Let me point out, by the way, that the employers of the last three on that list haven’t sniffed a World Series in some time).  




A point came up right here on Macksmets wherein a few oddballs among us said that they would be interested in perhaps one of the superstar (and super expensive) free agents out there, but it was much more important to find credible players at all positions and on the bench.  Last season the Mets struggled in the rotation, the bullpen, the outfield (defensively) and at catcher.  We’ve addressed one of these needs for sure with the addition of James McCann and one partially through the addition of Trevor May.  There are greater needs in the bullpen that May alone won’t solve.  There are possible needs for a backup catcher as few are sold on Tomas Nido, Ali Sanchez or Patrick Mazeika as long term alternatives if needed from prolonged slump or injury to the starter.  


Robinson Cano’s season-long penalty is a blessing in disguise as it comes without pay from the Mets.  That was an unexpected budget windfall of $20 million.  It also allows the Mets to unclutter their messy outfield by putting Jeff McNeil back into the position where he came up and flourished by having him take over for Cano at 2B.  That’s good news.




What’s not so clear to me is the confetti littering the ground for the newly minted starting shortstop Andres Gimenez.  Yes, he started off the very brief 60-game season showing awesome defensive skills the club has missed since the days of Rey Ordonez.  His hitting was, however, the even bigger surprise.  He didn’t seem challenged by major league pitching (or what passed for it) last season in the first month or so.  However, he plummeted rather precipitously from high .300s to .263 for the season.  That average wouldn’t be terrible for a starting player, but remember it was a rapid decline and it approximated his minor league resume where he was a career .278 hitter.  If you look a little further at his metrics, the power started to arrive in 2019 where he hit 9 HRs and the stolen bases were once as high as 38.  However, for a guy who’s not a run producer with a career high of just 46 RBIs in a season, he struck out about 25% of the time.  That stat is pretty worrying for a guy who isn’t the second coming of Pete Alonso.


By contrast, people were ready to chip in for an Uber ride out of town for Amed Rosario who did not have a good abbreviated 2020 season but was coming off two solid years in a row at the full major league level.  In 2018 he finished strong and the year reflected a similar batting average at .256 with 9 HRs, 51 RBIs and 24 stolen bases.  In 2019 he improved across the board with a .287 average, 15 HRs and 72 RBIs (batting mostly 8th) with 19 SBs.  In 2020 he started off badly but rallied to finish with more HRs, more RBIs and a .252 AVG while playing only sporadically.


The big question about Rosario has been his defense.  Many have advocated moving him to centerfield as was done with former Red and Met Billy Hamilton.  That experiment worked for him to some extent defensively, but the offense didn’t correspond.  Remember when the Mets tried to do that with Juan Samuel?  (shudder!)


Some feel he could play 3rd base and open up SS to the more defensively talented Gimenez.  There is some merit to that argument as the corner position is more of reaction than range and the combination he’s shown of power and speed is enticing.  However, there is a big gentleman by the name of J.D. Davis who can theoretically hit better but field worse who right now is likely the third baseman penciled in to play every day.  


Then, to complicate matters, the Mets have been linked to possible trades for Francisco Lindor and others to play shortstop which creates more infield congestion.  Whether or not that happens is anyone’s guess, but it would appear that one of the three incumbent left side of the infield players would have to go as part of any deal.


Finally, let’s not forget the highly capable shortstop famous for his bat catch, Luis Guillorme.  He did not show much in his first few trials in the majors, but as a minor league hitter he was actually better than Gimenez.  He never showed much power or speed, but the glove is rock solid and he did once drive in 55 runs without once hitting the ball out of the park.  He was a .289 career minor league hitter and he’s shown each year he’s measuring up to the majors’ better pitching.  Although he has “utility player” tattooed on his body somewhere, he’s the kind of capable backup that wouldn’t embarrass the club if he was called upon for an extended interval of playing. 




I won’t right now get into the Pete Alonso vs. Dom Smith first base battle because despite his weak 2020 partial season, the club is not yet ready to write off the superior power and fan accolades Alonso possesses.  Yes, Smith had a better year and yes he is a better fielder, but right now there’s no room at the inn.  


Right now Smith might have to try to work his way into left field playing time in competition with fellow lefty Brandon Nimmo.  That’s a tough battle as Smith is more of a solid run producing type player but really shows how out of place he is on the grass.  Nimmo is a terrible centerfielder, decent corner outfielder and an on-base machine.  The question is which skill set the team values more.  Having one of them as a 4th outfielder is pretty formidable.  


Assuming they land a real centerfielder, then the next up on the outfield depth chart is Guillermo Heredia.  He’s a .239 career hitter without power and without speed.  He reminds me of what the Mets used to have not only as backups but often as starters.  Do the names Collin Cowgill, Matt den Dekker and Andrew Brown ring some funereal bells for you?  They most definitely need to shore up the reserves here.  A Jake Marisnik was a better answer for backup but you may not have to pay north of $3 million to get someone to serve that benchwarmer role.   




Monday I covered the rotation in some depth.  Today we’ll take a brief look at the fire spreaders, er, firemen in the bullpen.  I am one of few folks for whom all is forgiven with Edwin Diaz.  After that we have Trevor May and hopefully Seth Lugo.  We’re stuck with Jeurys Familia, Dellin Betances, Brad Brach and Sam McWilliams.  Robert Gsellman has options.  Steve Matz has a paycheck but at this point little else.  So here quite a bit of attention needs to arrive and swiftly.


Right now it would appear that in addition to finding more coaches and front office personnel, the Mets need to start concentrating on the roster construction.  I volunteered in a comment to someone’s column that as a fantasy baseball player I would sooner stock up on 20 HR/80 RBI type players than concentrate on just a few potential All Stars who may or may not perform at that level and at their paycheck level.  Remember Robinson Cano of 2020?  Remember Michael Cuddyer?  Remember Jason Bay?  I hope they do a credible job of fulfilling not just the starting roster but also the reserve roles because those players wind up in games far more often than you anticipate. 


11 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

Reese, let's see what direction they go in now. I do agree there are still many holes to fill, but we have plugged 3 nicely so far. I hope they error on the side of excess quality this year.

Zozo said...

You do t have to shop in the gourmet aisle all the time. Some of the additions I would like are

SS - Didi Gregorius a great defensive player with a great bat. Last year coming off shoulder surgery performed really well and the best thing going for him is that he didn’t fold under the pressure of NY and being Jeters heir apparent. I feel it would be a great pickup to sign until Mauricio is ready. Trade Rosario and go with the more proven track record. 3 years $45 million.

RP-
sign Hendricks 3yr 33 million
Sign Hand 3 yr 24 million
Sign Bradley 3 year 21 million

Trade Diaz for prospects and trade Familia for Rockies Ian Desmond. They both have similar contracts and I think he has worn out his welcome over there as well. He would be a great utility player that may need a change of scenery.

So far I upped our payroll 41 million and not counting what we decreased it by trading Rosario and Diaz.

Trade Rosario for Sonny Gray I think that adds $9 million

Sign Albert Almora for backup outfield.
Sign Taijuan Walker for 3 year $18 million.

I think that brings us close to the cap and we would be spending our money wisely and spread out over different options.

I also would go over the cap and sign a backup catcher and Springer.

I Know this is a whole lot of signings but if we can do even 2/3 of them it would best for our team going forward and not lose any draft prospects, only for a Springer signing.

Tom Brennan said...

Zozo, that is a fine plan.

I still like Diaz myself, as long as Alka Seltzer is nearby. But Hendricks AND Hand would be excellent replacements +

Remember1969 said...

Zozo . .interesting plan.

Just a few comments.
I am not a Desmond fan at all.
I also think it is too early to give up on Diaz.
I like the Sonny Gray and Taijuan Walker pairing for the rotation.
I am warming to the idea of not losing any draft picks for signing Q.O free agents. JBJ is not perfect for CF, but could be OK.
Last point. . sign a baserunning coach and get this team more efficient on the basepaths.

Anonymous said...

It's hard to reply to this post, since I'm not at all sure what you are saying, advocating.

But a few things:

* I don't think Jeff McNeil is a better defensive 2B than Robinson Cano. Probably worse. Cano doesn't have great range but he's steady and a stud turning DPs.

* Lindor is probably the best overall player "out there," so it would be remiss to not consider the possibilities there. He's very, very good and a 2x GG. Since it's about taking on salary, I would not want the Mets to give up too much in the way of players. Guy is a star.

* I like Gimenez glove a lot, plus he's got a feel for the game. Comfortable with him as starting SS if it goes that way.

* I don't think the Mets have a solution for 3B just yet -- and you can't address everything in one off-season -- so I'd personally be okay with JD over there. I'd also want to feel pretty confident that I could pivot if necessary.

* Outfield: Sign Springer, put him in CF. Mets up-the-middle defense will be exponentially improved in 2021, and that will help our pitchers a lot.

* Pray for the DH.

* I still think Nimmo is underrated and valuable. Love that .400 OBP. Teams need table-setters. I strongly suspect that Smith is better than Alonso, but I also know that Smith is a lousy LF. I'd like for 2021 season to reveal the answer here. I need to see a much different Pete at the plate.

* It will be fascinating to see how this all plays out, as determined by Sandy and Jared in their player evaluations. We still have some round peg/square hole problems with the starting 8. Again, can't solve every issue instantly.

* I see a lot of risk with Bauer. It would be exciting to get him, with gigantic upside, but to me he's just not the guy I'd give a ton of money. The outspokenness, the constant tweets, etc. You give big money to people like Jake deGrom and David Wright -- guys you believe in -- whereas I think Bauer could go south on you.

* To that end, particularly if I'm not adding a frontline starter, I'm patching that up where I can and I am actively reinforcing the pen by adding Hendricks and Hand. Make that an undeniable asset. The economics of baseball right now make it a possibility.

* Trading Diaz, then, would not be about "giving up" on him, so much as converting an asset to a position of need. Maybe he helps land that starting pitcher or, say, Lindor.

* If I'm picking between Rosario and Gimenez, I keep Gimenez.

Thanks for listening.

Jimmy

Zozo said...

Remember 1969 I hear you on Ian Desmond but he is the equivalent of Familia for us and the headaches he gives us. I just think Desmond can play almost any position IF or OF and it frees up an extra roster spot to carry an extra pitcher or catcher if need be. Also would love love love Almora on this team being our 4th outfielder. Great defensively and has the tools to be a good hitter. I believe he was scarred really bad after his batted ball hit a fan in the stands. A change of scenery may do the trick?

I think Nimmo is a great player on and off the field but I’m not in love with him in our lineup. Yes he has a high OBP but he strikes out at such a higher clip than he walks that it seems counterintuitive. When he could be putting his bat on the ball and at least advancing the runners over? Also I don’t believe he has come close to scoring a hundred runs in a season ever? Yes he gets on base around .375 but he clogs up the bases and advances base to base. He is not a threat to steal so the pitchers don’t even have to worry about him and can concentrate on the batter. I always say I wish we had some fast table setters because they make the baking order that much better when a pitcher has his concentration divided between the runners and batter.

Tom Brennan said...

Good thoughts. What about Jose Peraza?

If there is no DH, Smith and his bat has to play. If that means trading Nimmo for something of real quality, I am open to that. No giveaways.

Remember1969 said...

Zozo. . . I would not be screaming loudly if they made the Familia-Desmond trade, but the only issue that Familia really has is his recent (and 2019 in particular) spike in walks. He still owns a 3.20 lifetime ERA and in 2020 he gave up only 20 hits in 26 innings. If somehow he can corral the base on balls, he is really a very good pitcher who limits damage. Unfortunately, his damage shows up at the wrong times.

One thing I would like to see (and I have not looked into it) is his stat line, including peripheral numbers (walks, etc) between when he starts and inning and when he is brought in with runners on base. Also, his stat difference between coming in for a save situation and pitching with a big (4 run) lead. My sense is that he is a pitcher where these two things make a difference. I always felt that he is a guy that should always come in at the beginning of an inning and is also much more effective if the game is close. It seems as if he is more locked in with a save situation. I don't know if that is true, but that has been my sense since 2015.

Also, I see Nimmo a little differently. His strikeout to walks is always less than 2 to 1. I see the baserunning issues as a team issue, not a Nimmo issue. McNeil, Rosario, Alonso, Davis, even Conforto can be accused of the same. They were just a bad baserunning team. That needs to be fixed with focus on that part of the game from the coaching staff. I will take his .400 OBP, even if he doesn't steal bases. With that said, Springer may be the leadoff hitter you are thinking about.

Remember1969 said...

Jimmy, excellent points. I agree almost 100% up and down your comments.

* McNeil - agree. I do not feel like he is the best second base solution.
* Lindor - agree. The best out there. Why not kick the tires? While they don't absolutely need a shortstop (see next bullet), and I don't advocate targeting anyone else out there, I think Lindor is one that can make this team better in many ways.
* Gimenez - agree. I think he will develop into a very fine player.
* 3B - agree. Altho my solution would be a straight platoon of Davis and Gimenez after they get Lindor to play SS.
* Springer - agree.
* DH - agree.
* Nimmo - agree. Although I'm not sure what "need to see a much different Pete at the plate" means.
* Round peg/square hole issue. Springer solves most of that. DH solves the rest, unless you want to still count 3B.
* Bauer - agree
* Hendriks and Hand - agree with you on Hand, not on Hendriks - see next bullet
* Diaz - I can't figure out for the life of me why anyone would think that Hendriks/Hand would be better than Diaz/Hand as the back end of the bullpen. Diaz is a dominant pitcher - there is no position of need that would be worth trading him for. Hendriks is 5 years older - he'll be 32, Diaz is 27, will cost more and while Hendriks has has a couple of very good years, his lifetime ERA is 4.1. This feels like wanting to get Francisco Rodriguez or JJ Putz. The shiny car that just got the paint job looks as good as the new car, but .. * Gimenez/Rosario - I agree.

Good discussion. Thanks for posting.

'69

Anonymous said...

'69, thanks.

I hear your point on Hendricks. But we also can't forget 2019 for Diaz. With relievers, it's so hard to know from year to year. My sense is that top relievers will be coming in at a bargain this season. We'll see.

What else?

On Pete, I thought he was garbage in far, far too many ABs last season. Padded stats last 10 games. Looked like a hot mess for most of the year, as bad as Rosario. I hope that was a fluke and he comes back re-dedicated and lighter by 10-15 pounds. Consistently got beat on fastballs.

DH solves a lot of issues. Smith at 1B, Nimmo in LF. If no DH, we have a bad 1B in Alonso, and either a terrible LF in Smith or Nimmo in LF w/ Smith on the bench. Not ideal. A DH would also allow us to bat Davis and not have him on the field for as many games.

Lot will happen before now and opening day. We'll see.

Jimmy




Anonymous said...

Zozo writes:

>> I think Nimmo is a great player on and off the field but I’m not in love with him in our lineup. Yes he has a high OBP but he strikes out at such a higher clip than he walks that it seems counterintuitive. When he could be putting his bat on the ball and at least advancing the runners over? Also I don’t believe he has come close to scoring a hundred runs in a season ever? Yes he gets on base around .375 but he clogs up the bases and advances base to base. He is not a threat to steal so the pitchers don’t even have to worry about him and can concentrate on the batter. I always say I wish we had some fast table setters because they make the baking order that much better when a pitcher has his concentration divided between the runners and batter. <<

Respectfully, I kind of disagree with everything here. But to start, here are the names of the top leaders in OBP in the National League in 2020: Soto, Freeman, Ozuna, Harper, Goldschmidt, Conforto, Acuna, Nimmo, Turner, McNeil.

Those are names of very, very productive offensive players.

To my eyes, Nimmo runs the bases very well, cuts the bag perfectly, and has good speed. He's not a stolen base threat, but in no way does he clog up the basepaths. He's not base to base. That's just not accurate. Good speed, not blazing speed.

Sure, a basestealer who can get on at a .400 clip would be awesome. Pretty sure Ricky Henderson retired a while back. Got anyone else in mind? Tim Raines?

The strikeouts are a function of Nimmo's high OBP, unfortunately. It's not counter-intuitive at all. He takes a lot of pitches, works deep counts. How often is he at 3-2? All the time, it seems. That approach is going to earn you a lot of walks, but also at the expense of high strikeouts. I don't see that as a huge problem. Guys who don't strikeout a lot are often swinging early in the count.

In baseball, as in work, as in life, we have to take THE WHOLE MAN. We can't pick and choose the attributes we like and reject the rest. Nimmo is far from perfect. But he does run the bases well and he doesn't make outs. I think he has much more value than people realize.

Again, go back to those OBP leaders. Read those names. It's not an accidental list. If I were a GM for another team, I'd try to trade for Nimmo, stick him in LF, and be glad to have a guy who shows up every day, competes in every AB, has good speed, a good glove (and rag arm), and 20+ HR pop -- and he's cheap!

Also: I think the "pitcher concentration" issue is almost non-existent. A fabrication. People talk about it, but it's never been borne out in the data. For example, if true, you could go back and analyze the data. Lou Brock on first, it would suggest that the next hitters in lineup would perform statistically better (because the pitcher is so distracted). I've read studies, using all kinds of data, focusing on a long list of basestealers. But it doesn't appear to be a meaningful thing. At the very least, you are working awfully hard to construct a negative about a guy who helps the offense roll.

(I'm not saying that Nimmo's untradeable; I'm saying that he's wildly undervalued and an asset at the top of the order.)

Jimmy