12/21/20

Tom Brennan: GM "Remember 1969" Lays Out His Case for How the Mets Could Finish The Rebuild


I asked some of our “Mets GMs” to put together a plan for the roster fill out, now that Messrs. Stroman, McCann and May are in the fold. 

 

GM “Remember 1969” put forth this strategic game plan.

 

Centerfield first: Hopefully (acquire) George Springer.


Starting pitching second.

 

I am a intrigued by Sugano, not so much a Tanaka fan.


Odorizzi is OK. 


I think Paxton and Walker are two of my risk/reward looks.

 

I would also like to explore a trade for a team-controllable pitcher like Zach Plesac or Joe Musgrove. Blake Snell would be great, but I fear the prospect cost. I am on the train now that Steve Matz can make a big recovery with McCann's assistance.

I am actually OK with the bullpen as it stands, although Hand, as a lefty, would be very nice. We don't need another top shelf righty (Hendriks)

Perhaps use some imagination and financial creativity to create a great fielding infield.

And yes, figure out the Conforto and Syndergaard contracts before they become issues. No shudda/wudda/cudda articles next year.

 

2021-2022 Mets Free Agents: What to do?

At this point in time, the Mets will have three major players hitting the free agent market after the 2021 season. There have been a some press rumblings about possible extensions for Michael Conforto and to a lesser degree Noah Syndergaard. There has been much less (if any) about extending Marcus Stroman.

There are really three options for upcoming free agents:

 

Sign them early before they hit the market, trade them a year ahead or at the trade deadline to maximize the return, or let them play out the year and see what happens. The qualifying offer is a potential other option that would yield a good draft pick if the player signs elsewhere.


I think it is worthwhile thinking a bit about each of their situations now; perhaps we can avoid the 'Zack Wheeler 20-20 hindsight debate'.


Conforto: The best option here is to make every effort to sign him before he hits the market. The big question is what would it take?


Perhaps a good discussion would be George Springer, not to compare their careers and statistics, but to attempt to judge the value of a contract. It is thought that Springer will command a 5 year deal between $25M and $30M per year. While he is a centerfielder and generally regarded as a better fielder, he will also play his first year of the F/A contract at age 31. Conforto will be 29.

 

Through their age 27 seasons, Springer was worth 17.3 fWar, while Conforto accumulated 16.0. Springer has also has very solid post season stats to pad his resume.


My take is that now is the time to sign Michael Conforto for 5 years $105M, an average of $21M.


Final note on Conforto: the 2021-22 free agent market for rightfielders is pretty weak with Blackmon, Fowler, Castellanos, Calhoon, and Gregory Polanco being the others.

 

Syndergaard: This is a little more difficult because of the Tommy John surgery. 


The sensible path would seem to be to wait for him to come back.  And...


Show that he is healthy to take the ball every 5th day for at least half of 2021..

 

If he comes back in June as advertised, a contract proposal during the All-Star break might be in order. Also, depending on the depth of the Mets staff at the time, it might also be prudent to work out a deadline deal, where he could probably yield a couple top prospects from a team needing one more pitcher to get over the hump in 2021. Of course, that team is most likely to be the Mets.


What would he be worth in a new contract? He will be 29 during most of his 2022 season. Let's baseline Wheeler's 5 year $118M contract as a start point. Through their age 27 seasons, Syndergaard amassed 18.9 fWar, Wheeler 7.8. Wheeler had the advantage of showing he was healthy for two years entering free agency.


Common sense is that if he comes back healthy, Thor will want to wait until after the season to show a full year of results. 


He will be among quite a few very good pitchers in next year's market, but will be the youngest and certainly most accomplished for his age. If he comes back strong, he could very well be looking at a 6 year deal in the $150 to $165M range, well above Wheeler's contract.


Do the Mets do that deal? This is a tough call. Perhaps the right way to handle this is to offer him the qualifying offer after 2021 and 'stay engaged'. It all depends on the other actions taken and committed dollars at that time.


Stroman will be one of the younger starting pitchers hitting the market after 2021. 


Because he just accepted the QO, he'll no longer be eligible for it next year. 


When healthy, he has been fairly consistent with:


3.3, 3.4, 3.4, and 3.9 fWar seasons to date.

 

He did not pitch in 2020 due to COVID concerns. Assuming he comes back in 2020 and has a normal to slightly above normal season, his contract will most likely trail Wheeler's. Does a 4 year $75M deal sound about right? That might be a bit low, but that seems like a deal the Mets might want to look at.


Other Mets free agents after 2021 are Steven Matz, Jeurys Familia, Dellin Betantes, and Brad Brach. There is certainly no reason to talk early deals with any of them and in fact the only possible one to look at after the season might be Matz, depending if he can right the ship and become a trusted back end of the rotation guy, although 2020 may have played with the fans hearts just a bit too much. 


Will any of them still be with the club by then?


Thoughts? 



What do you Mets fans want to do with the upcoming free-agents?

13 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

The Mets need at least one top tier free agent - Springer is a good start.

I wanna keep Diaz, but we should get Hand.

I wanna extend Syndergaard.

I watched Sugano pitch in the WBC - he was quite impressive. I think he'd be a good rotation addition. Looked similar in some ways to Stroman, a bit more varied, and seemed to throw a bit harder.

Extend Conforto. We need to keep stars.

I go back and forth on Arenado - but when I realized that Brooks Robinson won 9 Gold Gloves from age 30 to 38, I am back to being interested in Arenado, if Cano is part of the outgoing package (assuming, of course, that the Mets are not in the process of seeking to void his contract altogether.)

Nice job, Remember 1969

Anonymous said...

Just a note: I don't think there was a true Zack Wheeler debate. The Wilpons were not ever going to make that signing, which is why Brodie traded for Strohman in the first place.

Jimmy

Richard Hausig said...

I think Conforto wants 7 years, the last thing you want to do is try to get a new contract at 33-34 years old. Id give him 6 or 7 years at $22-25 and hes on board. In a different world I might pass, hes really good but still has his limits. But he is a MET, in capital letters, a great representative of the team and I believe we want to show our players that´s important. This is a David Wright type of guy. We lost out on seeing what the impact of his golden years with the team could have been and I think Conforto, as he ages, will become that tremendous, lead by example player. This is a true core guy.

Syndergaard is interesting. Dont count on him this year, but yes, find a way to keep him.

Not sure why anyone would care about Stroman, the empty can. He is a nothing guy, 4th starter on a good team. He wont come close to making this kid of money again. Love to see us to sign Paxton as long as you get at least 1 more of the top guys not counting Odorizzi, who is no better than Stroman and will never win in the PS.


Reese Kaplan said...

Stroman, in his own way, reminds me of Bauer. He has his good years and his meh years. Still, he wants to be paid like one of the top five pitchers in baseball and frankly he is not in that category. I'd put him on par with Zack Wheeler though Wheeler has put together an awesome year in Philly while Stroman is still seeking his anywhere. If Stroman wanted a $22.5 million per year deal, that's unfortunately what the world is granting to sub 4.00 ERA pitchers which he is for his career. You then have to decide if he's worth it or not. If not, then there are the Taijuan Walker, Jake Odorizzi and other similar types who would deliver similar results for less money.

Tom Brennan said...

I would take a long hard look at Sugano before ever considering to extend Stroman multi-year. Stroman has a lot to prove in 2021.

Tom Brennan said...

Richard, good points on Conforto. I'd like to see him stick around for a long time. Six years, one All Star game, no MVP votes that I am aware of. So I sure hope his price is reasonable for his output. Hopefully his 2020 is a sign he is ready to jump to a higher level. He has not been a great career clutch hitter, but maybe that is changing too.

Remember1969 said...

While I think most of us agree on many (most) things about the Mets, I guess I am on the other side of the fence on Stroman. I would absolutely sign him long term for $18M.

One year ago today, if we discussed Stroman vs. Bauer, there would have been no contest. Stroman had just come off a 3.9 fWAR year and had three previous ones between 3.0 and 3.4. He keeps the ball in the park and is a very consistent competitor along with being a gold glove fielder.

If they say one WAR is worth nearly $8M in today's market, he falls into the discussion of the top tier of pitchers. I, for one was happy that he was offered the qualifying offer and he accepted it.

Remember1969 said...

Regarding Conforto, I think the fact that he is on the younger side of the typical free agent may have him thinking about a shorter term deal now.

What is worse than trying to get a deal if you are a productive 33 or 34 year old is trying to get a deal if you are a declining 36 or 37 year old.

He is set up now to get a good contract at this point and still have the potential for another one to finish up his career.

Remember1969 said...

On a related topic, there are more contracts now with player opt-outs written in (deGrom, Arenado, Stanton, etc), but I don't understand why that is not a standard clause. It seems like a win-win for everyone.

My thinking on Springer is a 5 year deal with player opt-out after 3 (and 4). Same with Conforto - perhaps a little lower $$ for a longer term (the 7 or 8 years) but with opt outs built in.

Eddie from Corona said...

Why would we extend Thor... He is hurt and there is no guarantee he will return to be what he was... and what he was in 2019 was a inferior to Wheeler...
We think he can be the 2016 THor but he hasnt been for a long long time...

Tom Brennan said...

Eddie, I agree that I would not extend him until he showed me he was back to being Thor. The 2016 variety. He has a huge incentive to get back to being that.

Remember1969 said...

Without directing this at anyone (ok, maybe a bit at Trevor Bauer), but I'll be a little snarky here - will 11 strong starts on his comeback make an argument for a 200M contract, or whatever the current numbers bandied about for Bauer are?

Other than Bauer's very good 2018 (and I am discounting 2020 a bit), Thor's career outshines Bauer. Through age 27 Syndergaard accumulated 18.9 fWAR to Bauer's 14.2, yet Bauer is now the superstar that thumbs his nose at an offer of over $28M per year over three years ???

If one or the other, I sign Thor. Wheeler came back strong, deGrom came back strong, most pitchers do.

TexasGusCC said...

Great work here 1969. I follow your thinking, but what makes Conforto a resigning priority is there aren’t any outfielders behind him. So, you need to sign him. However, my question is Nimmo - SmithAlonso. If Springer is signed and Nimmo plays LF, are there enough spots for everyone? Further, of the tradable assets on the Mets, it bothers me that Rosario doesn’t want to play the outfield and seems to have some kind of air of superiority attitude. If he has a good spring, I trade him. He may still be a good player, but even the Dodgers’ players have flexibility and will play anywhere. I don’t think Rosario is a winning player and he should be moved as soon as his stock rises a bit.