3/23/18

Tom Brennan - WILL DEGROM & SYNDERGAARD IN 2018 BE SEAVER / KOOSMAN CIRCA 1969?


Tom Brennan - WILL DEGROM & SYNDERGAARD IN 2018 BE SEAVER / KOOSMAN CIRCA 1969?


The Mets  miraculously won the World Series in 1969.  


Miracles often have underlying causes.


They never would have gotten that far without Tom Seaver and Jerry Koosman going 42-16 with a 2.25 combined ERA - there is no doubt that the Mets would have never made the playoffs without that incredible duo.
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he rest of the team's pitchers were only 12 games over 500 in that miracle season. The weight, and the success, of that miracle season rested squarely on the shoulders of our friends Tom and Jerry.



As we know, prior to the last incredible 50-game stretch of the season, when the Mets won 41 games, they would have completely fallen out of the race against the Cubs without the Tom and Jerry duo.





The question for 2018 clearly becomes:



Can Jake deGrom and Noah Syndegaard get close to having 26 more wins than losses like Tom and Jerry in 1969?

Doubtful - the 1969 duo, after all, did start 67 games between them, a number that Jake and Thor no doubt will not reach. Maybe they reach 62 starts - maybe. 


However, to really succeed, the Mets need them to win about 22-24 games more than they lose in those 60 or so starts.


Can they do it?



Why not?

The two are both superior pitchers, every bit as good in my opinion as the duo of Tom and Jerry were in 1969.  If you disagree, that's fine - you have the right to be wrong.


Of course, they will be more reliant than Tom and Jerry were on the bullpen, since pitchers these days don't go as deep into games as pitchers from 1969 (like Tom and Jerry) did.



However given the absolute top tier talent of Messrs. deGrom and Syndergaard, is it not feasible that the two of them could end up with a combined record of, oh, 38 and 14 combined?
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f they do, the Mets should certainly make the playoffs and perhaps even win the division. I believe honestly that talent-wise, the aforementioned 2018 duo is every bit as talented as the 1969 duo.  Wait, I already said that - bears repeating.
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n my mind, frankly, it is up to the Jake/Thor duo to lift the team's boat just as Seaver and Koosman lifted it in 1969.



Because, had the latter two not pitched that well through early August 1969, the Mets would have been so far behind the Cubbies that the Mets never would have made the playoffs, and the World Series Miracle Win of 1969 would have never happened.



It is almost entirely up to Thor and Jake to get us to the promised land.  Hopefully, they read this and rise to the challenge.  It is up to them.  Up to them.  Them.


Well, in fairness, they do need 2018 pen arms to rise up like Ron Taylor and Tug McGraw did in 1969 when they were 18-7 combined. Are Jeurys Familia, AJ Ramos, Jerry Blevins and Anthony Swarzak up to that task?  We'll find out.  They could be.


Losing Jason Vargas for perhaps the first month of the season does not help, but it just means Thor and Jake have to be even that much bigger and badder.   If I were to ask Seaver and Koosman, I'll bet they'd say the Mets' 2018 Aces are up to the task.   They have the broad shoulders.

20 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

Wheeler is certainly NOT a Seaver or Koosman, after a lousy outing, but the Mets bats nicely woke up. My guess is Lugo slides into the # 5 starter slot until Vargas is ready. Wheeler? Who knows. His last 2 games, 5 innings, 14 hits, 10 runs? Vegas-bound?

Tom Brennan said...

Cespedes has 5 homers in 31 at bats, so why can't he hit 50 if he stays healthy? Just stay healthy and amaze us.

bill metsiac said...

I wouldn't judge Wheels by the numbers yesterday. The E by Frazier on a DP ball, 2 more Es, and the dribbler that Wheels fielded only to find no one covering 1B, all hurt. He gave up some hard-hit balls, but the D hurt.

Lugo was very impressive, though.

Mack Ade said...

Wheeler was a broken man in the clubhouse. He knows in his heart that he is no longer being considered for the Mets rotation.

Lugo has earned the SP5 slot out of camp.

As for Thor and deGrom, I believe only an injury can prevent these two from being the best 1-2 punch in baseball this year.

Overnight news... Conforto, after hitting 2 homers a day ago, goes for the cycle and is named the DH in Friday's Big Boy camp. Amazing.

Tom Brennan said...

Bill, I hear you on Wheeler, but like you said, Lugo was very impressive. As such, he is my # 5 starter. Hopefully, the Mets see it the same way.

If Wheeler wants to start so badly, he can go to Vegas, start to really roll and dominate and then come back. Otherwise, if on the opening day team, start him out as a bullpen mop up man.

Preferably, I'd like to see him do Vegas for a while.

Mack Ade said...

Overall observation after last night's game.

We know this team has been in a team bat slump but has the talent.

Is this the breakthrough game they needed to get their heads back in the game?

Can't be coming at a better time.

Tom Brennan said...

Mack, agreed - love to see those bats - and Conforto's return could be quite soon.

I am quite concerned with Conforto and Cespedes staying healthy in upcoming cold NY weather - starting the season March 29 is asinine. Weather is too cool. I hope that both are cautious running and throwing.

I looked at a temperature chart - it looked like low 50s on opening day, which would be the warmest day up here in a few weeks.

Wheeler needs to keep his head up and fight his way thru it. Even if that means a month in Vegas.

Reese Kaplan said...

Speaking of Vegas, what's the over/under on Wheeler getting back to New York? Remember that Vargas is not projected to be out for that long. The only road I see is relief pitching. It would take failures by Gsellman, Rhame, Lugo and Sewald. Even then you'd think they would want a lefty.

Tom Brennan said...

Reese, it is not looking pretty for Wheeler - but he pitched poorly last year, and poorly this spring. He seems to be a starter version of Vic Black.

Does Wheeler get paid major league salary if sent down? Clearly that is a factor for the Mets. If not, and they sent down Rhame, who would make less in AAA, they would save $$.

Mack Ade said...

Right now...

I project the rotation to be Syndergaard, deGrom, Harvey, Matz, and Lugo

Fixed pen is so far Familia, Ramos, Blevens, and Swarzak

This leaves Wheeler, Gsellman, Sewald, Robles and Rhame left for the remaining three pen slots.

You call it...

Mack Ade said...

Oops -

Callaway just optioned Robles (along with Nido) to the minors camp.

That Adam Smith said...

Good morning, Tom. Thor and deGrom definitely hold the keys, and i’m Expecting huge years from them. (Hey, spring is for hope, no?). 38 wins between them sounds like a good target (does anyone win 20 anymore?). Now, if Harvey can be just solid, and Matz can be healthy, and Vargas can be decent, and Cespedes can stay on the field, and Conforto gets back soon, and Flores breaks out... sigh. Let’s start with Thor and deGrom. 😏

Tom Brennan said...

Adam, fingers crossed.

Maco, Robles had to be exiled.

bill metsiac said...

On SNY yesterday, the panel talked about Wheeler's role, and one point was made that he's not suited for a pen role,but Lugo is. My guess is that he'll get one start before Vargas gets back, and then we'll see. He might need a trip to Vegas.

He's starting to remind me of Pelf, and that's not good.

Mack Ade said...

Sandy said this morning that he still has Wheeler in the rotation...

Tom Brennan said...

Bill and Mack, I can see them trying Wheeler one more time in the rotation, over the more flexible Lugo, but if he gets hammered again...21 hits in 10 spring innings does not result in ringing endorsements.

Tom Brennan said...

Granderson in 15 games is .306/.396/.833, in case you were curious :)

Tom Brennan said...

Duda is .429/.515/.714. Is leaving this team like removing shackles?

bill metsiac said...

Technically, they both are not leaving us---they're leaving the Dodgers and Rays. How did they do for those teams after leaving us?

Eddie from Corona said...

Exactly Bill