12/15/23

Reese Kaplan -- Pondering the Two Unthinkable Mets Transactions


The next interesting case for the Mets 2023/2024 off season is what will happen to the starting rotation if indeed Yoshinobu Yamamoto decides he is not in favor of joining the rebuilding New York Mets.  All of the sudden the stories about his prospective deal keep sprinkling in words like "underdog" or "outside looking in" when describing the Mets' prospect of landing the Japanese gem.  How rapidly things descended from the Mets were the front runners to the Mets are the also rans.

Truth be told, if you were the player in question you'd want to consider things like the culture of the new organization plus the financial commitment they will make not just to payroll but also to conditioning and player development.  Of course, all ballplayers want to be associated with a winning team and in that regard the club's somewhat checkered and scattered post season appearances are few and far between.  Coming off a losing record with two multiple Cy Young award winning starting pitchers, Kodai Senga, Jose Quintana, the reigning NL batting champion, Francisco Lindor, Pete Alonso and Brandon Nimmo, finding the club closer to the basement than the top is not a good road map and history to sell to newcomers.

So let's assume for a moment that the media naysayers are indeed correct and that Yamamoto has Los Angeles, San Francisco, Toronto or the Bronx on his mind, what then will Steve Cohen and David Stearns actually do?

Well, there are still quite a few formidable arms in free agency, headed by Blake Snell, Jordan Montgomery and others.  Then there is the trade route, but that approach might have become more difficult when Ronny Mauricio went down for the 2024 season which means other Baby Mets are now less spare parts but necessary ones.  Your veteran players are appealing with regard to Nimmo and McNeil, but the one who would net the most in return plays first base.


So let's momentarily consider the future of Pete Alonso.  It is somewhat telling that according to reports the Mets have not seemingly made it any kind of priority to extend his contract to keep him in Queens for the foreseeable future.  With Scott Boras as an agent, he's likely being advised to sell himself to the open market at the conclusion of 2024 when there is no Shoehei Ohtani nor Juan Soto around to overshadow his offensive production.  

The options the Mets have are three fold.  They could extend the man right now which would likely involve a massive overpay now that Ohtani has reset the baseball superstar salary threshhold for the future.  Would you pay $35 to $40 million per year for Alonso for as many as six seasons?  That's a lot of green for someone who is indeed homegrown but who last season resembled too much of an all-or-nothing hitter.

Option number two would be to try to hedge your bets by keeping Alonso at first base until midyear when pennant chasing teams are looking to reinforce who they have in their lineup.  You would be looking for a passel of hotshot prospects in exchange for Alonso as a half year of a 40+ home run bat with 50+ RBIs could seal the October deal for a team on the edge of the best teams around.

Option number three would be to take a page out of the Padres' operating manual and trade the man during this off season before he becomes a free agent and try to net a bigger payout than you would get for a midyear deal while also saving yourself about $30 million in his salary.  While Steve Cohen has not been shy about spending his money, not all of it was done wisely and there are players helping other teams like Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander and others who are hitting the Mets budget this year.  Consequently the financial brain trust may find partially balancing those payments a bit an appealing approach.  

While the club has done some horrific deals in the past headed by the Nolan Ryan and Tom Seaver fiascos, you do have to clear your head a bit and think about those three Alonso approaches.  For the rest of us who are not paying the salary, extending the man is likely choice number one.  If the Mets are not likely to hit the post season, then option number two would likely be appealing as you only have to give up Alonso's contributions for the post All Star Break part of the 2024 season.


Let us take a healthy swig of something strong and momentarily consider option number three -- dealing Alonso now rather than later.  The short term loss of 40 HRs 100 RBIs is nothing to take lightly, but if there is truth to the 2024 seasn being a bit of a transition year then a huge trade could help reinforce that perspective.  It won't be too long before Luisangel Acuna, Drew Gilbert, Ryan Clifford and others in the pipeline.  Imagine adding two more top ten prospects at minimum from another club for Alonso as opposed to losing him as a free agent and getting at best a draft pick.  Consider saving $30 million.  There is some traction here as hard as it would be to lose out on the most powerful home run hitter the club has ever had.  

So the open ended hypothetical question is, what would be a fair deal to execute an off season trade of Pete Alonso prior to Spring Training?  Have at it.

12 comments:

Tom Brennan said...

Dreary to think we may end up trading Prolific Pete. TOO MANY failed acquisitions over the past 3 years have really hamstrung this squad. The Mets are likely viewed as far from astute, lots of $$ to spend, pretenders.

Cubs want Pete bad. We already gave them Pete Armstrong, what’s another Pete, right?

Supposedly they offer good pitching prospects, maybe Morel.

The Mets are likely viewed by Alonso as far from astute, lots of $$ to spend, pretenders. He won’t re-sign here. Good work, fellas.

Rds 900. said...

I think Soto will test the FA waters.

Viper said...

I can't see the Mets getting Yamamoto when you take into consideration what the Dodgers are doing and what the Yankees have done.

In contrast, look at what the Mets have done. Signed a bunch of scrubs. This team isn't going anywhere fast which is why I have said all along that trading Pete Alonso makes sense right now instead of later.

I know the Mets said they wanted to compete in 2024, but if that was the case, they would have signed better players than just Severino by now. You don't attract elite players when your team is this incomplete.

The Mets shouldn't pay Alonso 35/40M to hit around the Mendoza line. Take advantage of the value he still has and trade him now. Take advantage that the Ohtani signing also makes sluggers like Pete more valuable to other teams as all star players became more expensive.

The Mets can lose just as badly without Pete Alonso. Forget 2024, is obvious that Steve want to drop payroll. Maybe 2026?

Garush said...

When considering Pete’s 2023 season take out the period after the HBP until he started up again and then spread that over 162 games and you get a monster year. I am certain the Mets are fully aware of this.

bill metsiac said...

I'm still in favor of "door # 4", which includes none of the above.

Keep him for this year and let him earn his extension by showing he's not Kingman part 2. If he returns to previous form by hitting for average in addition to the power, we can outbid any competitive suitors. If he's still a .220 hitter, Stearns can assess his value before deciding on his offer.

Tom Brennan said...

Garish, good point. Pete is aware of it too.

Had he played 160 games in Philly or Chicago, he’d have hit 60 and .240.

Woodrow said...

One year of Soto didn’t bring back much for the Padres. One year of Alonso would/ bring back less. Maybe a ML starting pitcher and a second tier prospect.

TexasGusCC said...

I disagree that the Padres didn’t get much. They received five controllable starting pitching prospects/players. How many were you expecting? Two are very good prospects, two are MLB ready and one is further down.

I went back and read an article written when Stearns took over, and it said that he will look to trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late. I agree with Viper that the moves don’t look of the win now at all costs, so why not trade Pete? The Mets are $4MM over the third CBT threshold and still will be punished ten spots. How can we fix that and get some good pitching prospects that our system doesn’t have? Wonder what Seattle is doing?

TexasGusCC said...

Just extending Yelich when he still had two years left is unnecessary. Can’t believe he did that.

Anonymous said...

So you’d trade Alonso for King and a second tier prospect? Granted it’s one year but King and that single A kid don’t seem like much.

Paul Articulates said...

Alonso is a known entity. He is a prolific power hitter, he loves NY, and he constantly wants to improve. If he played for the Cubs for the last five seasons we would be clamoring to sign him at all costs. So let's do it! That would be the splash that the Mets front office needs to re-align the fan base after this exceptionally quiet free agent period.

Viper said...

Lost in the light is the fact that Alonso will test free agency after 2024. If the Mets wanted him back, they could just sign him. So will Soto and a lot of elite pitchers.

Unless, the Mets are planning for 2026 and more scrubs will be in the menu.

Paul, Alonso can hit a lot of homers but if he is batting in the low 200's, he isn't worth the money he will be asking.

Bill, if the Mets can outbid everybody, then more reasons to trade him and re-sign him after 2024 while grabbing the prospects now.